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#1 Nov 24 2010 at 11:12 PM Rating: Default
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I just want to know how the muli hit/dobule attack verents of Kokush*tsunotachi compares to soboro sukehrio. I herd 50/30/20 for the AoT, how does that compare to soboro? I am not even sure what the AoT 2 times one does or what i said about the OaT is right with 50/30/20
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#2 Nov 25 2010 at 6:13 AM Rating: Decent
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I think you're asking if the soboro competes with any of the magian multi-hit weapons. If that's the case then the answer is no.

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#3 Nov 25 2010 at 6:25 AM Rating: Good
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Ahrana wrote:
I think you're asking if the soboro competes with any of the magian multi-hit weapons. If that's the case then the answer is no.

/notsam


Pretty much.

Soboro/Hagun have been left behind by the latest tiers of magian.

Soboro is still the best weapon for tp gain, having the best double/triple attack rate. But in total damage it isnt better than the new magians
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#4 Nov 27 2010 at 3:08 AM Rating: Default
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How big is the difference? like is it average 5 seconds average for soboro, 8 for the best magin? I just want an idea what the difference is of each Kokush*tsunotachi is vs soboro.

I am not even sure on the rates of each is (like i hear the Oat 2-3 is 50/30/20)

Edited, Nov 27th 2010 4:09am by RambustheRDMtaru
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#5 Dec 01 2010 at 7:55 PM Rating: Good
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I would say Quint Spear if your main goal is TP gain.
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#6 Dec 03 2010 at 6:42 PM Rating: Good
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How big is the difference? like is it average 5 seconds average for soboro, 8 for the best magin? I just want an idea what the difference is of each Kokush*tsunotachi is vs soboro.

I am not even sure on the rates of each is (like i hear the Oat 2-3 is 50/30/20)


Soboro's split is 30/50/20 for 1/2/3 hits according to wiki. That work's out to an average of 1.9 swings per attack cycle. If we go by the numbers you give of OA2-3, that's an average of 1.7 swings per attack. Soboro gets 11.5 base TP per swing. OA2-3 get's 12.2 TP per swing. Assume the same Store TP and Haste for each GKT:

TP per time soboro: (1.9*11.5)/(7.5s * (1-Haste%))
TP per time OA2-3: (1.7*12.2)/(7.73s * (1-Haste%))

Ratio them gives 1.086

So Soboro gains TP about 8.6% faster than the OA2-3.

Edited, Dec 3rd 2010 7:47pm by JaxReborn
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#7 Feb 20 2011 at 1:49 AM Rating: Default
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I been talking to a friend about the the upgrade to the 2-3 to make it 2-4.

so how often does the 4 hit happen, and if i have a 5 hit setup for a 464 delay (29 + merits) that would be 100 tp on one round right?

and with 2 rounds (what soboro is forced on) the chances of getting a combo of 4 and anything, 2 and 2,3,4 or 3 and anything, the chance of getting tp in 2 rounds seems very high vs 24% ( i think?) on a 6 hit

anyways with that on the table how does soboro sukehrio compare?

thoughts?
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#8 Feb 20 2011 at 8:12 PM Rating: Good
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Ddevil wrote:
I would say Quint Spear if your main goal is TP gain.



this. if you are talking sam/dnc soloing quint spear is def the way to go
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#9 Feb 21 2011 at 2:44 PM Rating: Good
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SW spam got +1'ed aswell using a Quint for TP gain.
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#10 Feb 21 2011 at 3:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Quint spear in Abyssea reminds me of how old school Dragoons felt you basically can setup to non-stop penta-spam its sick as hell....
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#11 Feb 21 2011 at 5:03 PM Rating: Default
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what kind of X hit setups are you looking with quint spear?

I am really bad with knowing what stp amount one needs, quint is 396.

but does anyone know how much quint triggers? or the 2-4 hit gkt? like knowing Soboro's split is 30/50/20
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