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#1 Mar 24 2010 at 11:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Beat Odin and got an aesir ear pendant last night, thinking I'd use it for penta thrust. My question is, would it outperform either of the earrings I currently use? I use Brutal and Fowling. At first I was thinking of replacing Brutal with it, but I'm starting to think that giving up a 5% double attack chance on a 5-hit WS isn't very smart. Assuming my acc for penta isn't capped (which I'm pretty sure it isn't) would it be worth losing 3 acc for 7 atk and a chance to get a much higher tp return from the WS?
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#2 Mar 24 2010 at 11:52 AM Rating: Good
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jAriusEightySix wrote:
Beat Odin and got an aesir ear pendant last night, thinking I'd use it for penta thrust. My question is, would it outperform either of the earrings I currently use? I use Brutal and Fowling. At first I was thinking of replacing Brutal with it, but I'm starting to think that giving up a 5% double attack chance on a 5-hit WS isn't very smart. Assuming my acc for penta isn't capped (which I'm pretty sure it isn't) would it be worth losing 3 acc for 7 atk and a chance to get a much higher tp return from the WS?


Short answer: keep Brutal/Fowling.

Longer answer: See the MNK forum, particularly Kinematics' math. Over time, the Conserve TP is worth about +0.8 Atk (or +1.6 Atk during dark weather). So you're looking at roughly an "8 Atk" earring if you're talking WS damage.

The overall DoT increase from Brutal's 5% proc rate and from Fowling's Acc+3/STR+1 from Fowling (assuming uncapped Acc) stomp all over +8 Atk.

Notice that the MNK answer is different though, and MNKs likely WOULD want Aesir on Asuran Fists. But the reason is that Brutal is essentially useless on Asuran due to Asuran being an 8-hit WS (max number of attacks per round, so DA will never proc on it). A lot of MNK's now will WS in something like Hollow and an Atk earring like Merman's, Ethereal, Spike. This is an upgrade for those MNKs.

For other multi-hit WS though, Brutal is huge to get an extra hit, and the next concern is generally Acc to ensure you connect on as many hits as possible.

Edited, Mar 24th 2010 1:52pm by Anza
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#3 Mar 24 2010 at 12:54 PM Rating: Good
MNK has wildly different mods/base dmg/acc and Penta is an atk starved WS. Aesir ear pendant may or may not do better than brutal depending on the rest of your setup (3-6% increase), but it beats the snot out of fowling.
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#4 Mar 24 2010 at 1:01 PM Rating: Decent
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So I just wasted an Odin run, then. :(

I'm in the process of getting gear that could put me at capped acc with sushi for penta, though. If I get to that point, should I consider this earring again?

(Running the numbers atm to see if that gear set really will put me at cap)

Edit: didn't see Shinta's post. I'll hold out on judgment for now then.



Edited, Mar 24th 2010 1:03pm by jAriusEightySix
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#5 Mar 24 2010 at 1:34 PM Rating: Decent
also: You don't need to have capped acc for other things to be more important than +acc on multihit WS. The whole "but you might miss a hit" argument was created and spread by idiots who don't know how to do averages.

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#6 Mar 24 2010 at 1:50 PM Rating: Decent
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All right, thanks. My Aesir is now replacing my Fowling in my penta gear.

For the record, I calculated that once I get my ideal set I'll have a 93% hit rate for penta, without needing Fowling. TP hit rate is still hovering around 85% though, even with sushi. Too bad the 15 WS acc from Champion's Galea doesn't apply to normal hits. Also wish I could merit polearm, but that's not going to happen.
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