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#1 Mar 10 2010 at 5:49 PM Rating: Good
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Polearm for SAM on birds.

Why can't we keep this a secret?

I'm sick of partying with SAM/NINs like this:

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With melee stats like this:

Melee Damage 
Player            Melee Dmg   Melee %   Hit/Miss   M.Acc %  M.Low/Hi    M.Avg  #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C.Avg     Crit% 
Damiero               19782   61.45 %    252/204   55.26 %    23/125    72.28     19   115/203  154.74    7.54 %


And penta stats like this:

Weaponskill Damage 
Player                 WSkill Dmg   WSkill %  Hit/Miss   WS.Acc %   WS.Low/Hi   WS.Avg 
Damiero                     12411    38.55 %      45/0   100.00 %      61/551   275.80 
 - Penta Thrust             12411   100.00 %      45/0   100.00 %      61/551   275.80


It hurts my soul.





Edited, Mar 10th 2010 5:53pm by bsphil
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#2 Mar 10 2010 at 6:41 PM Rating: Good
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I'm rather amazed your soul can still feel pain at all, after being subjected to more wastes of oxygen than you can shake a stick at.
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#3 Mar 10 2010 at 7:15 PM Rating: Good
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Eh, just imagine how bad it would have been with a, most likely, Shinsoku or something terrible like that.
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I use one of those on my PLD for magic-based mobs like Proto-Ultima... My SAM (only 51, but climbing!) currently uses a Soboro or a Wind Spear, based on where I'm at. I like having the option. Too bad I can't pre-merit GK like I can Polearm...
#5 Mar 10 2010 at 8:04 PM Rating: Decent
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NickRomano wrote:
Eh, just imagine how bad it would have been with a, most likely, Shinsoku or something terrible like that.
Probably better. Even with soboro I could average way more WS damage than that.
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#6 Mar 10 2010 at 9:24 PM Rating: Good
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bsphil wrote:
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Eh, just imagine how bad it would have been with a, most likely, Shinsoku or something terrible like that.
Probably better. Even with soboro I could average way more WS damage than that.


there isn't a doubt in my mind that the same player, same gear, same macro swaps (even if he's using DEX rings for penta or something) would have done more damage in that party with shinsoku. there's no question at all.
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#7 Mar 11 2010 at 12:34 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm trying to figure out if that's a TP or WS set (god forbid, it's probably full-timed)

Such a waste of some good gear either way. At least... he has... arrows...?
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#8 Mar 11 2010 at 3:10 AM Rating: Good
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Hey look on the bright side, once he dings 75 he'll probably, proudly, ding into Askar Korazin!!

Seriously though, I didn't think it was even possible to actually hit the bird and still only do 61 DMG with Penta thrust. An average of 275 though, dear me...
#9 Mar 11 2010 at 4:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Artemizthepld wrote:
Hey look on the bright side, once he dings 75 he'll probably, proudly, ding into Askar Korazin!!
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#10 Mar 11 2010 at 5:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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Artemizthepld wrote:
Hey look on the bright side, once he dings 75 he'll probably, proudly, ding into Askar Korazin!!


Don't forget wyvern helm and askar feet! But yeah, I do more damage than that and my SAM is ******* 64.

Just be careful, he'll probably see that his penta acc is 100% and stack more STR after seeing low damage numbers Smiley: laugh
#11 Mar 11 2010 at 11:28 AM Rating: Excellent
Remember when I said "I'd rather see people stick with GK vs birds than do polearm wrong"?

yeah?



yeah.
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#12 Mar 11 2010 at 1:00 PM Rating: Good
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I wonder if they are all like him in the Teletubbies LS.
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#13 Mar 12 2010 at 4:11 AM Rating: Decent
i was wondering y askar body was looked down upon so much. i currently use it on sam/war with polearm with crab sushi (cuz in another post bout my penta build i was told sushi would be best with my setup). askar body gives my 5 hit 2% extra DA putting it at 19% in tp gear, and my acc sits around 90-92%, is that extra acc from hauby +1 really worth dropping 5 hit?
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i was wondering y askar body was looked down upon so much. i currently use it on sam/war with polearm with crab sushi (cuz in another post bout my penta build i was told sushi would be best with my setup). askar body gives my 5 hit 2% extra DA putting it at 19% in tp gear, and my acc sits around 90-92%, is that extra acc from hauby +1 really worth dropping 5 hit?


Maybe try Haub + Rose strap? What's the rest of your gear look like?

Edit: I really don't know what to say bsphil. Probably why I'll only merit with my friends lol.

Edited, Mar 12th 2010 6:28am by marleytiva
#15 Mar 12 2010 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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i was wondering y askar body was looked down upon so much. i currently use it on sam/war with polearm with crab sushi (cuz in another post bout my penta build i was told sushi would be best with my setup). askar body gives my 5 hit 2% extra DA putting it at 19% in tp gear, and my acc sits around 90-92%, is that extra acc from hauby +1 really worth dropping 5 hit?
Accounting for zanshin, if you can get more than ~2.5% acc (93.5%->95%) you should go with acc.
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#16 Mar 12 2010 at 5:38 PM Rating: Decent
TP gear is:

tomoe/pole/x/tiphia
askar/PCA/minuet/brutal
askar/dusk/iota/rajas
cuch/swift/byakko/usu

penta gear is:

tomoe/pole/x/tiphia
gnad/gorget/minuet/brutal
haub+1/okote/flame/rajas
foragers/virtuoso/usu/usu

suppose i could swap to haub+1 + rose....as long as penta lands 2 hits ill still have 5 hit....have 5/5 stp so that would give me 53 stp outta the 54 needed for true 5hit....but thats assuming the 2-3 acc that caps me is better than 4% DA....i thought the DA would help more...but yall are the math gurus =)

Edited, Mar 12th 2010 6:44pm by BiggHowie
#17 Mar 12 2010 at 6:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Umm using Askar over Hauby .. but using Cuch over Foragers?

Try the rose stap option, looking at your gear you shouldn't ever have to worry about 1~2 hit penta's.

And this (OP) is why I am always cautioning people about using PLM. Without the proper gear it fails to GKT, even something like Oni. Of course once you got the bling bling gears, then rock it.
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#18 Mar 12 2010 at 7:52 PM Rating: Good
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BiggHowie wrote:
TP gear is:

tomoe/pole/x/tiphia
askar/PCA/minuet/brutal
askar/dusk/iota/rajas
cuch/swift/byakko/usu

penta gear is:

tomoe/pole/x/tiphia
gnad/gorget/minuet/brutal
haub+1/okote/flame/rajas
foragers/virtuoso/usu/usu

suppose i could swap to haub+1 + rose....as long as penta lands 2 hits ill still have 5 hit....have 5/5 stp so that would give me 53 stp outta the 54 needed for true 5hit....but thats assuming the 2-3 acc that caps me is better than 4% DA....i thought the DA would help more...but yall are the math gurus =)

Edited, Mar 12th 2010 6:44pm by BiggHowie


4% DA is > 2-3 ACC, but haub(+1) has a lot more ACC than 2-3. are you 8/8 polearm? regardless, even if you are close to cap (which if you said 90% ACC you're not... that's 10 ACC away from cap), you want to put turban back on and wear haub anyway, i'd say.

DA isn't a huge deal; 1 DA is generally a little worse than 2 ACC. if you're uncapped ACC and you can get more ACC than twice the DA you have available, the ACC is going to win.

edit: if you are close to ACC cap, dropping cuch for forager's is an interesting prospect. i'm a bit too lazy to look at the swaps and what would win when at the moment.

Edited, Mar 12th 2010 8:54pm by milich
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That melee accuracy (well, the lack of it) kinda takes the breath away. Not even crab sushi can fix that much of a deficit...

Did this SAM have capped polearm for Lv.74? I hate it when people use merit/exp parties to skill up or unlock WS latent weapons. /sigh

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Well, I doubt the level 99 merit mob of choice will end up being a pink bird, but who knows. Presumably, you'll need even more ACC @ lvl99 too as the difference in weapon grades continue to grow.

PA build might (but might not) become a toy build like /RNG became. Who knows though.
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Presumably, you'll need even more ACC @ lvl99 too as the difference in weapon grades continue to grow.
It works the other way doesn't it? It seems much easier to get a 95% acc build in the 60s than the 40s even if you use the same gear.

Edited, Mar 16th 2010 10:54am by shintasama
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It works the other way doesn't it? It seems much easier to get a 95% acc build in the 60s than the 40s even if you use the same gear.

Edited, Mar 16th 2010 10:54am by shintasama
Well, there is less Accuracy gear available in the 40s that is of comparable power with options in the 60s.
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It works the other way doesn't it? It seems much easier to get a 95% acc build in the 60s than the 40s even if you use the same gear.
Well, there is less Accuracy gear available in the 40s that is of comparable power with options in the 60s.
hmmm, maybe I don't think I added as much +acc gear as I got in increased hit rate though, low level acc is abysmal.

Colibri at least gain evasion skill at approximately the same rate we gain (A rank) weapon skill, and DEX/AGI probably ~negate each other too, so as long as you're fighting the same lv difference mob, I can only see acc getting easier to cap (via gear upgrades or otherwise).
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#25 Mar 16 2010 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
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not only does sushi get more powerful as you level (since hit rate is not ACC / EVA but rather something closer to ACC - EVA [with some other subtraction thrown in]), but the game just naturally scales so that VT EVAs are lower relative to your ACC than earlier in the game. why? i don't know. but that's obviously why hit rate is always like 50% in the dunes. will it stay true at level 99? no one can answer that.
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melee acc 55.26% with 50+ acc in gear...

looks like he was skilling up and using IR lance because its the cheapest polearm on the AH.
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