Maybe 5 hit setup will be possible!!Follow

Well, it's possible now, it's just not optimal XD



Based on the previous progression sTP V will be level 90 and only an additional +5sTP. The first lv cap (lv80) should give us Zanshin V though @55% activation and access to Yonnin/Innin, and Reverse Flourish.


Really I'm not expecting much for SAM, but I'd like either a damage dealing JA (iai), a higher DPS TP bonus weapon, tp bonus trait, or more TP generation/stealing/storage moves.

Yup!

And still not doing as much damage as people who know what they're doing. Go figure.

5-hit isn't all too hard now without giving up anything major. It doesnt even suck as long as you do not use a Rindomaru for it.

I use a Pachipachio for it myself. It's actually an excellent weapon if you merit and gear yourself towards using it. I love it, and it parses really well too.

However, adjustments.

That means,

* Polearm merits have to be turned into GK merits to make up for the -ACC (Not really all that shocking, since you have backups, but still). Unless you dont have other jobs that have a weapon leveled, then 8/8 both if you want, idc.

* Store TP Lv.5 because, well, 10% more TP off base TP.

* Ikishoten Lv.5 for 43% TP on every Zanshin hit. ("(13+15)*1.57=43.96TP") The -6 ACC is going to make you see this more often.

* Zanshin Activation rate could be helpful, but meh, not exactly needed to bring it from 45% to 50%. If you rather do Third eye for soloing or Meditate it really doesnt matter either way.

DMG:82 and ATK+12 are good base stats for the weapon.

And best of all, 5-hit can be aquired by only using Rajas (5), Hachi feet (5), Hachi Hands (8), Chiv chain (1) and Brutal (1).
Heck, those last two are completely optional too and can be replaced with anything non sTP-wise to still retain 5-hit, but neither of those pieces are bad really...

20 sTP from gear, 25 sTP from being 75, 10 sTP from merits and 2 sTP from your weapon for an astounishing 57 sTP without giving up anything all too important.

All in all, this gives you a 5-hit naturally. 4-hit whenever you miss and zanshin procs (45~50%), and an even faster TP gain thanks to 17% Double Attack (1:6) if you use /WAR with Polearm Grip and Brutal Earring.

So really, you can make a 5-hit not suck gear-wise. It wont be quite the HNM-killer like Hagun might be, but god, it's amazing against anything else.



Edited, Mar 14th 2010 1:43pm by KojiroSoma

No, this is the one i'm using. Why dont you humor me and tell me just why it's not any good? I trust you can put more words into it than lolPachi or anything refering to how it's not a Hagun.

It's not about how it's not a polearm 5-hit, or how it's not a Hagun. I'm asking you, why is this not a fair, if not good, 5-hit setup where nothing gets majorly gimped?

Edited, Mar 14th 2010 10:57pm by KojiroSoma

Hmm my question is, with at least 2 our of 3 hits landing on Rana, how much sTP would be needed for a 5 hit. That is assuming we get another tier of sTP and a really good DPS weapon (something like Oni but a bit stronger). I've seen Rana do amazing damage if /WAR with meat and some form of attack buff (the things that don't work so well with Y/G/K). Actually my friend modified his Penta trust macro and it turned out to be pretty amazing damage.

See, i so love words. Thank you Pahn for putting more effort into it than "it sucks". Haste is definately an issue keeping you from being topped out. Math turned out to show just how overly effective haste is. Then again, the whole weapon is not falling behind too much atleast.


Actually, i got one for 500k, not the 2.500.000 people are asking for Haguns. So i went to have some fun with it and found it wasnt half so bad.

But yes, thank you maths. You have answered both things for me. One that a haste build 6-hit with a Hagun would still beat it, but at the same time also that it's really not a bad weapon if you're not using a Hagun. Which was my original point to start with and something i'm happy to hear atleast.

As thankful as i am about the maths, because you did a great job at them, i cant help but notice you did not include my main focus for this weapon. The use of zanshin and ikishoten to not only make the negative acc not leave as much of an impact anymore, but perhaps even turning it into it's strong point by opening the way to a 4-hit on zanshin with Lv.5 Ikishoten.

Be that as it may, i'm happy enough to just leave it at that and guesstimate that the difference is neglible.

Thank you.


Edited, Mar 15th 2010 11:16am by KojiroSoma

Just a quick question. Where are you getting the rest of the sTP needed for a 6-hit? Because if it's ACP/Askar body or food, why can't the 5-hit pachi get that too and use fuma over hachi boots?

I'm not trying to say a 5-hit is good or even comes close to hagun, I was just wondering what's going on there.

rana is 3 hit with 35% STR mod, hagun is 1hit, 75% STR mod, auto-ACCcapped and close to auto-ATTcapped in situations where you'd even consider using rana for damage. hagun gekko base damage is around 175, while pachi with the same STR would be around 135, but it would absolutely have to be cut down to add more ATT and ACC.

what you want to add in now are mob stats and such for the comparison. i sort of lost interest; was just starting it out. my gut reaction is the common sense view that hagun would win w/o super buffs, pachi-rana would win if ACC/ATT was capped outside of gear anyway. of course polearm would beat them both in the latter situation.

Thing to also remember is that Hagun has crap DoT. It would do less damage on the five hits leading to that 100% then the same five hits with Oni.

My question is the possibility of 5-hit with Oni / Rana because of only needing 98~99 TP rather then 100. Hmm lots of math is required for this..

Ok, Im not even a SAM, infact, I don't even like SAM, but this made me facepalm. It doesn't f*cking matter that the Hagun has crap DoT, because SAM is THE crap DoT job, almost all of it's damage comes from weapon skills. Its a stark contrast to Mnk, where almost all their damage comes from DoT and not much from weapon skills. You sound like one of those that jumped on the SAM bandwagon because you think it's some kind of super hero job that is magically broken and is better than every other DD. In which case, you sir, are the cancer that is killing FFXI.

Nothing to add. That was just bugging me.