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#1 Feb 10 2010 at 4:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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I find myself sam/dnc alot for camapaigns, and it always nets me the most xp/points.

But here's some questions to help make it better.

Bull necklace > all neck on ws?
Rose strap > double attack grip?
Sonja's Plectrum > all?

What is your pulling method?

hasso/seigan, when do you use or switch?

What other equipment will give me better scores, and more solo potential?
I see alot of SAMs using the hachiman stuff, but I'm not sure it would be better.
Here's mine:

TP:
soboro/pole/x/t.sting
wala/pcc/fowl/brutal
haub+1/dusk/raja/toread
cuch/swift/shinH/fumaS
WS:
- -/- -/- -/- -
wyvern/bull/trium/trium
kirin/alk/- -/flame
- -/warw/forthDS/marine

thx

#2Jajuzza, Posted: Feb 10 2010 at 6:47 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 90% of sam's suck at campaign mostly beacuse they dont have an eva/parry set and dont know how to use ja's.
#3 Feb 10 2010 at 9:07 AM Rating: Good
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Bull necklace > all neck on ws?
Rose strap > double attack grip?
Sonja's Plectrum > all?

yes, for campaign
yes, if it lets you wear more haste (where's the byakkos?)
yes for /DNC always (tied with rosen+1 for non-campaign)

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What is your pulling method?
Normally I'll hit/voke the nearest unclaimed mob beating on the fort and drag him ~20' away to avoid boss/roaming hoard aggro. If people are being particularly ******* and I don't want to deal with them I'll jig up, run past the line of oncoming mobs, and grab the last 1-2 to fight out in the sticks. I always kill them and make it back before they clear the rest.

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hasso/seigan, when do you use or switch?
full time hasso (technically SETE-> immediately hasso) for 1-2 mobs, SETE whenever I'm under 1k fighting 2-3 mobs, fulltime SETE vs bosses (unless it's stripped by AOE, then I toss hasso up till it's availible).

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What other equipment will give me better scores, and more solo potential?
TP: Byakkos (TP) is the biggest, JSE sachet (WS), bushinomimi(should have brutal for other earring during WS), askar helm (TP, try to get in the 11X STR for soboro TP), dusk+1(dmg)/askar hands(survivability), foragers (TP) smilodon+1 (WS, acc/dex on cuch is worthless) bouncer's (ohsh*t macro), AF+1 pants/shura(+1)/hachiryu/usu pants (WS), usu feet (another big one for tp)


Making a +VIT macro for cures is important, but I'm assuming you're already doing that?

Edited, Feb 10th 2010 10:08am by shintasama
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#4 Feb 10 2010 at 3:23 PM Rating: Good
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90% of sam's suck at campaign mostly beacuse they dont have an eva/parry set and dont know how to use ja's.


Yeah.... No

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#5Jajuzza, Posted: Feb 10 2010 at 6:52 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yeah...yes.
#6 Feb 11 2010 at 2:48 AM Rating: Good
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Not having an 'Eva/parry' set isn't going to make you suck at campaign. An Eva/haste set would have more bearing, and only on special occasions.
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#7Jajuzza, Posted: Feb 11 2010 at 8:44 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Sorry but i see alot of sam's droping like flies using hauby/ochiudo, or...turn their back after 1 ws.
#8 Feb 11 2010 at 9:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Why do you even consider CN a hard zone? I use some -eva just so I'd take more dmg (gives points) to cure (gives more points) and WS when I get over 100% tp (can't spend it fast enough). For 90%+ of mobs in campaign a defensive set is completely unnecessary.

That being said, I have (and recommend having) a eva/parry/-dmg set that I use for bosses, but I wouldn't really use it for anything else.
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#9 Feb 11 2010 at 9:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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with haste you can have fun in starter zone


What do you mean by "starter zone"? I've never gotten the impression that any zone was any more difficult than another, barring Northlands maybe. All of the regular mobs and many of the NMs can easily be handled as SAM/DNC in haste build. Do you not use Soboro? Maybe then I could see it being a little rougher since Drain Samba is going to be doing less for you. I still bet you could solo with a haste build.
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#10 Feb 11 2010 at 10:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Did nobody pick up on the soboro/pole grip setup?

get a platinum grip or preferably the +1 for campaign. Stuns 5% of the time ish. Can be a god send for soloing campaign mobs.

Don't use pole grip with soboro. Practically anything is better.
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On that note, why brutal on WS or at all if soboro (Shinta)?

Replace with STR for ws and ACC for tp (dependant on player lvl vs mob).
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#12 Feb 12 2010 at 5:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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On that note, why brutal on WS or at all if soboro?

Soboro's double or triple attack doesn't proc on WS, so using brutal for WS with soboro is still a good idea.

The only reason to use it in TP would be if you need it for a 6-hit for whatever reason.
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#13 Feb 12 2010 at 9:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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Amasido wrote:
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On that note, why brutal on WS or at all if soboro?
Soboro's double or triple attack doesn't proc on WS, so using brutal for WS with soboro is still a good idea.

The only reason to use it in TP would be if you need it for a 6-hit for whatever reason.
*this* although there are almost always better slots to give up for sTP w/ soboro during tp.
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#14Jajuzza, Posted: Feb 13 2010 at 2:55 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I do use soboro and yes brutal only on ws, can get nice 800 gekko :D
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Not that i have anything against Taru's, but i'm so glad i'm not one.

If anything, I wish I was a Galka for my job choices, but i'll sort that out for FFXIV.
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#16 Feb 16 2010 at 12:24 PM Rating: Good
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I love the Rose Strap in Campaign:

Rose, Rajas, AF+1 pants, Brutal, Hachi hands, and +1 STP somewhere else (Ecphoria/Chiv Chain) and you've got a 5-hit with Soboro.

Fun times playing with that set up.
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#17 Mar 02 2010 at 1:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Is there any use with switching any items out for Evasion when soloing on /DNC?

Personally, I haven't used any evasion for campaign and seem to do just fine unless I get in over my head. However, I haven't tried evasion setups to test their merits.
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#18 Mar 02 2010 at 4:01 PM Rating: Good
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Is there any use with switching any items out for Evasion when soloing on /DNC?
I use hasso and -eva on trash just so I have more to heal, a +eva/parry/-dmg set works great for bosses though.
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#19 Mar 09 2010 at 10:01 AM Rating: Good
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Jajuzza wrote:
90% of sam's suck at campaign mostly beacuse they dont have an eva/parry set and dont know how to use ja's.


Why teh eff would you use an evasion/parry set for campaign battles?
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#20Jajuzza, Posted: Mar 09 2010 at 7:40 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Do you know another way surviving harder mobs?
#21 Mar 10 2010 at 8:21 AM Rating: Default
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Jajuzza wrote:
Campaign


Jajuzza wrote:
harder mobs


At 75, I don't understand. SAM/DNC with body boost...I definitely don't understand.

Edited, Mar 10th 2010 9:23am by ThiefKiller
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#23 Mar 12 2010 at 2:23 AM Rating: Good
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Does anyone know if you get exp from HP healed by drain samba? Or by using it are you wasting exp from having less HP to heal using waltz?
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Has anyone parsed their acc in campaign? I've recently been doing it a bunch while lfp at lvl 64, and it hasn't seemed all that bad. Being that 75s have 11 lvls and better gear over me, I'm surprised i haven't fought anything that has made me go "wtf I can't hit this ****!". Granted, it's just eyeballed, but with that much of a lvl difference you'd think it would be more noticable.
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You dont get exp from samba healed hp, but you probably get some when you actually activate samba.
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Jajuzza wrote:
Yea some ppl never understand, some do...you dont.


lol. Oh the Irony.
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#27 Mar 12 2010 at 9:23 AM Rating: Excellent
Drop the attitude guys. There's no need to chunk insults at one another.
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#28 Mar 12 2010 at 10:29 AM Rating: Good
Jajuzza wrote:
You dont get exp from samba healed hp,
source?
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#29 Mar 14 2010 at 7:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Doesnt an optimal build differ per person, really?

I for instance dont have any use for a rose strap, because it doesnt add another hit to my setup. It brings me from 20.41% to 23.01%. Where as for someone else, it might just make him get 20%.

Bull Necklace has more STR for your weaponskills, there's no reason why you shouldnt make an additional macro bar for special campaign gear switches.

But outside of that, someone might prefer an evasion setup. Others rely on all out DD with Third Eye. Someone else might, altana forbid, sub /NIN.

It really all depends on what you want to want to use. Someone with a Polearm will want something diffirent from someone who has a 5-hit GK setup, or a multi-hit Soboro for that matter.

In the end, you're in campaign by yourself. Some of us might laugh at you if you decide to use something completely rediculous, but in the long run, it really doesnt matter what you do in campaign. You're not hurting any of us by making campaign last longer.

So why not just do what you think yourself is best?
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#30 Mar 14 2010 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Doesnt an optimal build differ per person, really?
No, that's why it's called "optimal".
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#31 Mar 16 2010 at 11:36 AM Rating: Good
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Sir CorLeonisX wrote:
Has anyone parsed their acc in campaign? I've recently been doing it a bunch while lfp at lvl 64, and it hasn't seemed all that bad. Being that 75s have 11 lvls and better gear over me, I'm surprised i haven't fought anything that has made me go "wtf I can't hit this sh*t!". Granted, it's just eyeballed, but with that much of a lvl difference you'd think it would be more noticable.


Most campaign mobs have really low evasion. LVL 75 1 handers can get away with wearing STR rings, etc. As a Thf, I usually full-time my feint build (which is primarily haste, str and attack) and eat meat.

Edited, Mar 16th 2010 1:57pm by ThiefKiller
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