25%haste gearFollow

Can you not add?

*grumble*

5 turban, 4 Dusk+1, 6 Velo, 5 Haidate, 3 Fumas - 23%

No you can't hit the cap without it.

Except the cap is slightly over 25%, so in reality you need 26% to cap but don't get to fully utilize that last point.

thankfully, /DRG is the best subjob for SAM75, so it really doesn't matter how much haste you can get without it.

Until new tests come out, outside of polearm sam, /drg is better than /war for GK sam.

Ahh, knew it was something like that.

Side note, if you can reach 23% before adding the earring, w/o haste samba and outside of zerg conditions (and possibly even w/), it's not going to outdo the benefits of /war.


Edit:

2% haste at 23%, marches, hasso is going to be a 6.6% increase, we can call it 7 if you want to account for w/e that tiny decimal is for hitting 26% haste.

10% DA is going to be 9.3% increase to DoT, WS frequency, and also add some direct damage to WS.

The more haste you have, the less you benefit from jumps and anything you're not capping acc on w/ pizza+1, you're likely to gain some sort of benefit from zerk, even if it's not the full benefit.

Edited, Jan 22nd 2010 4:12pm by Veggeto

High end players know that in any situation where they're not capping acc, they should be using pizza for food, then swapping that ace's to a turban. Ace's is extremely situational these days. If you have usu body, usu shoes are not required for 6hit, and pizza should cover you on the acc for most mobs, making fuma very viable. My build is actually just like that one, minus the dusk+1



Not sure where you're getting 8.5% from, would require to get more than 2.5% from 23~26 and I'm sure the decimal is smaller than that.


At low haste, the wyvern earring is also worth way less.

Which is why I didn't call it a 9.3% increase to WS damage, just 9.3% increase to DoT, WS frequency, and SOME WS damage.

For Colibri, which you should be using polearm anyways, you have a point, but you should be using polearm, so yea. On mamools or higher, you won't be capping critrate w/o sacraficing haste. You may want to go look up a lot of the math done, pizza is the universally accepted food for a reason, 90%+ of the time, on any mob that's actually worth a @#%^, it's the best food for nearly every DD

Provided that nobody else in your party is WS'ing

Get a better party and that won't be a concern as far as merits go, and if we're talking about anything high end, sam can tank almost any mob in the game, in which /war would be required for voke


When you can benefit from more than 2 points of haste from wyvern earring(not my entire post was on that particular build, highly dependent on having that 23% haste), yes. For those who are capping acc w/ pizza even after dropping acc from ace's/usu shoes, and hitting 23% haste on /war, then not at all


And here's point #8, most things you go to, you'll fare better w/ polearm. So you'll want to be subbing war anyways. For example, I go to limbus, ejar, ect w/ polearm and keep my gkt handy just in case there is a piercing resistant mob, in which case I'll swap, plus the ability to tank almost any mob, whether it's intentional or sh*t hits the fan and you need to take over.




Edited, Jan 22nd 2010 6:55pm by Veggeto

It's not that hard to cap on non-THF mamool either, you just need things like say... ace's/usu/acc bonus. Just to be clear, you realize how much atk you're giving up in these two paragraphs right? I find it amazing that you can consider berserk a bonus at all with a straight face.
We already pointed out (if you had read) it's ~.6% (6/1024).
1024/4= 256
256-~230 = 26

100-(100*~230/1024+20+10+15)= 32.5390625
100-(10+25+20+15)= 30

32.5390625/30 = 1.084635417
It's worth more than berserk, I didn't claim anything else. I don't need to claim anything else. Wonderful strawman though.
Which is why I didn't bring up 9.3% at all? You're not very good at this...
God help you if you get interrupted and have to close a SC with someone other than yourself
If your healer has enough mp for healing/etc with you fulltiming hasso, they can be debuffing/nuking. There is always use for more mp.
In a merit party you shouldn't have a "tank", in some other hypothetical tanking scenario you seem to have in your head(?) /DNC or /NIN (provoke isn't the only way to get hate) would be better choices.
There is a reason it's one of the last ones, and I stand by both that quote and what I've said here, they're not actually contradictory (as much as you'd like that).



That was an entertaining diversion, anything else?

Firstly, you don't know what you're talking about really. I was saying anything harder than merit mobs you can tank. My whole point on merits is that you should be using polearm anyways. In before mamool, as colibri is better exp

Pizza builds are better than meat. All that attack you're losing, that's on what the 30% damage portion you were complaining about before on zerk? The extra haste and capping hit rate is worth it.

As for DA being weak, it's about a 50% increase in WS damage at 100% TP (hagun) and a 40% increase at 200 tp (hagun), so it's not totatlly worth discrediting

As for SC'ing w/ someone else, you can do that anyways, your point was self SC'ing, which isn't going to happen often when everyone is spamming

Strawman? You're the one pulling the straws mr "but jumps are worth less when you have less haste zomg"

Idk about you but when I merit, i can fulltime zerk hasso, and my mage has enough mp to keep up w/ the healing and dia IIIs

As for tanking, I was talking about situations other than merit, let's say like NMs and ls events. If you were only talking about meriting, then ALL your points are moot, since polearm is better to begin with when it comes to merits.

My build, in particular can beat gk at colibri w/ meat using polearm. Anyone w/ a lesser build can still beat GK rather easily w/ polearm using something as simple as crab sushi.

Back to what you "refuted" DA can be very significant to y/g/k, as I alreasy stated in my last post, 40-50% increase depending on what TP you go at. You haven't refuted my points about sam being able to tank many mobs in this game, as I was not only talking about merits, ect.

ok so if /drg is so good what lvl should i be subbing it at? i just hit lvl 60 few days ago. (oh and is there a minimum haste where if you have less haste then that /drg isnt as good? i usually dont get to party with bards)

You'd have +10% Haste going just by the numbers on the gear, but as far as your actual Haste, it'd be calculated as 9.77%, given how Haste works in game. If you're going for a Haste setup at that level though, I'd recommend either camping Sarutobi Kyahan or farming up to buy a pair of Fuma Kyahan to boost your Haste further (especially considering that Sam have relatively few choices for feet armor at that level).

On a somewhat related note to the Soboro /DRG earring choice . . .

I have the new OAT GKT, which earring should I TP in opposite wyvern? Let's assume for any situation where Soboro would be used.

Is it really necro when it's less than 3 months old and still on page 1?

You do realize that this is basically true. In the majority of situations/events, polearm will outperform GK with great ease. When you step into the realm of HNMs such as kings/sky Gods/jailers, you step into the realm where GK takes over *by a sizable margin*. Basically, anything that falls under the "merit level defense and evasion" will be polearm suitable. This is a large majority of events that one would be doing.

I'm not saying GK is SAM's secondary weapon. I'm saying that in a large majority of situations, polearm will easily outdo GK. To argue otherwise when it's been proven more than once is just silly.

This almost made me crap my pants. First off... the name... "GearingSAM"? WTF is that supposed to mean? Secondly, this post is filled with so much fail that my eyes began to bleed a little.

yes, 3 weeks is generous
Bushi, but not by nearly as much
ehh, due to atk/acc concerns I think you're being generous with "majority" with respect to endgame, but polearm definitely is extremely nice for weakish mobs or any situation where you are extremely buffed.
It's pretty obvious, yeah