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#1 Jan 20 2010 at 9:38 PM Rating: Decent
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is it only possible to reach max haste cap for gear on sam using /drg for the earring?
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#2 Jan 20 2010 at 9:50 PM Rating: Good
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Can you not add?

*grumble*

5 turban, 4 Dusk+1, 6 Velo, 5 Haidate, 3 Fumas - 23%

No you can't hit the cap without it.
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Siralin wrote:
Can you not add?

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5 turban, 4 Dusk+1, 6 Velo, 5 Haidate, 3 Fumas - 23%

No you can't hit the cap without it.


Blitz ring + ....... sentinel shield....sure you can. :P

Why again can sam use sword,club and dagger?

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#4 Jan 21 2010 at 1:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Except the cap is slightly over 25%, so in reality you need 26% to cap but don't get to fully utilize that last point.
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#5 Jan 21 2010 at 2:39 AM Rating: Excellent
doctorugh wrote:
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Can you not add?

*grumble*

5 turban, 4 Dusk+1, 6 Velo, 5 Haidate, 3 Fumas - 23%

No you can't hit the cap without it.


Blitz ring + ....... sentinel shield....sure you can. :P

Why again can sam use sword,club and dagger?

Edited, Jan 20th 2010 11:44pm by doctorugh


Sam can't equip a Blitz Ring though. Without subbing Drg, there's no way a Sam could hit the gear haste cap in general situations (there are situational gear pieces that would allow you to, like "Besieged:" or things like that, but not a normal one).

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thankfully, /DRG is the best subjob for SAM75, so it really doesn't matter how much haste you can get without it.
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#7 Jan 21 2010 at 6:49 AM Rating: Decent
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ok because i kept seeing them toss around the term maxed haste in gear but they never mentioned anything else. and the most i could think of was 23%.

the reason i asked was because i had been away from the game for a long while and there is alot of new gear added i have not seen.

oh and is /drg really better then /war at 75 without a soboro?

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oh and is /drg really better then /war at 75 without a soboro?

Until new tests come out, outside of polearm sam, /drg is better than /war for GK sam.
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#9 Jan 21 2010 at 11:32 AM Rating: Good
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bsphil wrote:
Except the cap is slightly over 25%, so in reality you need 26% to cap but don't get to fully utilize that last point.
Kind of a misnomer, the cap "is" exactly 25%, you just tend to get -slightly- less than the listed value from gear (ex- "1%" haste = 10/1024 = .977% haste", actual discrepancy varies by piece of gear) so you need 26% "written" haste to get 25% "actual" haste, not 26% written haste to get 25.XX% actual/capped haste.



Technically there is also some "salvage/assault/besieged only" +haste gear, but nobody gives a damn about it.


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shintasama wrote:
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Except the cap is slightly over 25%, so in reality you need 26% to cap but don't get to fully utilize that last point.
Kind of a misnomer, the cap "is" exactly 25%, you just tend to get -slightly- less than the listed value from gear (ex- "1%" haste = 10/1024 = .977% haste", actual discrepancy varies by piece of gear) so you need 26% "written" haste to get 25% "actual" haste, not 26% written haste to get 25.XX% actual/capped haste.



Technically there is also some "salvage/assault/besieged only" +haste gear, but nobody gives a damn about it.


/DRG rocks anyways
Ahh, knew it was something like that.
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shintasama wrote:
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Except the cap is slightly over 25%, so in reality you need 26% to cap but don't get to fully utilize that last point.
Kind of a misnomer, the cap "is" exactly 25%, you just tend to get -slightly- less than the listed value from gear (ex- "1%" haste = 10/1024 = .977% haste", actual discrepancy varies by piece of gear) so you need 26% "written" haste to get 25% "actual" haste, not 26% written haste to get 25.XX% actual/capped haste.



Technically there is also some "salvage/assault/besieged only" +haste gear, but nobody gives a damn about it.


/DRG rocks anyways

To elaborate, haste is done with 100% being 1024/1024. Therefore, 25% should be 256/1024. Gear for 25% generally adds up to 250/1024(iirc), as shinta showed, and so you need an extra 1% to fill in that .6 you're missing to really hit cap.

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Siralin wrote:
Can you not add?

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5 turban, 4 Dusk+1, 6 Velo, 5 Haidate, 3 Fumas - 23%

No you can't hit the cap without it.


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thankfully, /DRG is the best subjob for SAM75, so it really doesn't matter how much haste you can get without it.


Side note, if you can reach 23% before adding the earring, w/o haste samba and outside of zerg conditions (and possibly even w/), it's not going to outdo the benefits of /war.


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2% haste at 23%, marches, hasso is going to be a 6.6% increase, we can call it 7 if you want to account for w/e that tiny decimal is for hitting 26% haste.

10% DA is going to be 9.3% increase to DoT, WS frequency, and also add some direct damage to WS.

The more haste you have, the less you benefit from jumps and anything you're not capping acc on w/ pizza+1, you're likely to gain some sort of benefit from zerk, even if it's not the full benefit.

Edited, Jan 22nd 2010 4:12pm by Veggeto
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point #1) 23%, while being the max haste w/o, is an unlikely number for anyone to actually have, extreme high end players will be using usu+ace's (-1%x2), and low end players will be using hachi (-3/4%) and swift (-2%).

point #2)
"23%"->"26%" is ~8.5% increase in the situation you mentioned when you account for X/1024 rounding, then you get the other bonuses on top of that. If you're lucky enough to score a DNC it's ~12.7% increase

point #3)
at low haste:
jumps ~= DA
haste > berserk 3/5 of the time on 3/10 of your dmg

at high haste full wyvern earring >>> DA/berserk
jumps add even more dmg

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DA isn't very good (less than half efficiency) for SAM WS because it doesn't get fTP/atk/acc mods like the main hit.

point #5)
Didn't account for acc, it's not hard to get at/near cap for merit stuff /DRG so pizza is mostly wasted and you could be eating better food.

point #6)
jumps allow for easy self SCing

point #7)
/DRG doesn't lower your defense

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/WAR is a vastly inferior sub
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point #1) 23%, while being the max haste w/o, is an unlikely number for anyone to actually have, extreme high end players will be using usu+ace's (-1%x2), and low end players will be using hachi (-3/4%) and swift (-2%).

High end players know that in any situation where they're not capping acc, they should be using pizza for food, then swapping that ace's to a turban. Ace's is extremely situational these days. If you have usu body, usu shoes are not required for 6hit, and pizza should cover you on the acc for most mobs, making fuma very viable. My build is actually just like that one, minus the dusk+1

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"23%"->"26%" is ~8.5% increase in the situation you mentioned when you account for X/1024 rounding, then you get the other bonuses on top of that. If you're lucky enough to score a DNC it's ~12.7% increase


Not sure where you're getting 8.5% from, would require to get more than 2.5% from 23~26 and I'm sure the decimal is smaller than that.

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at low haste:
jumps ~= DA
haste > berserk 3/5 of the time on 3/10 of your dmg

At low haste, the wyvern earring is also worth way less.
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DA isn't very good (less than half efficiency) for SAM WS because it doesn't get fTP/atk/acc mods like the main hit.

Which is why I didn't call it a 9.3% increase to WS damage, just 9.3% increase to DoT, WS frequency, and SOME WS damage.
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Didn't account for acc, it's not hard to get at/near cap for merit stuff /DRG so pizza is mostly wasted and you could be eating better food.

For Colibri, which you should be using polearm anyways, you have a point, but you should be using polearm, so yea. On mamools or higher, you won't be capping critrate w/o sacraficing haste. You may want to go look up a lot of the math done, pizza is the universally accepted food for a reason, 90%+ of the time, on any mob that's actually worth a @#%^, it's the best food for nearly every DD
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jumps allow for easy self SCing

Provided that nobody else in your party is WS'ing
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/DRG doesn't lower your defense

Get a better party and that won't be a concern as far as merits go, and if we're talking about anything high end, sam can tank almost any mob in the game, in which /war would be required for voke

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/WAR is a vastly inferior sub

When you can benefit from more than 2 points of haste from wyvern earring(not my entire post was on that particular build, highly dependent on having that 23% haste), yes. For those who are capping acc w/ pizza even after dropping acc from ace's/usu shoes, and hitting 23% haste on /war, then not at all


And here's point #8, most things you go to, you'll fare better w/ polearm. So you'll want to be subbing war anyways. For example, I go to limbus, ejar, ect w/ polearm and keep my gkt handy just in case there is a piercing resistant mob, in which case I'll swap, plus the ability to tank almost any mob, whether it's intentional or sh*t hits the fan and you need to take over.




Edited, Jan 22nd 2010 6:55pm by Veggeto
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Also, I like how you use self SC'ing as one of your points, when you posted this earlier today

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High end players know that in any situation where they're not capping acc, they should be using pizza for food, then swapping that ace's to a turban. Ace's is extremely situational these days. If you have usu body, usu shoes are not required for 6hit, and pizza should cover you on the acc for most mobs, making fuma very viable.
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For Colibri, which you should be using polearm anyways, you have a point, but you should be using polearm, so yea. On mamools or higher, you won't be capping critrate w/o sacraficing haste. You may want to go look up a lot of the math done, pizza is the universally accepted food for a reason, 90%+ of the time, on any mob that's actually worth a @#%^, it's the best food for nearly every DD
It's not that hard to cap on non-THF mamool either, you just need things like say... ace's/usu/acc bonus. Just to be clear, you realize how much atk you're giving up in these two paragraphs right? I find it amazing that you can consider berserk a bonus at all with a straight face.
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Not sure where you're getting 8.5% from, would require to get more than 2.5% from 23~26 and I'm sure the decimal is smaller than that.
We already pointed out (if you had read) it's ~.6% (6/1024).
1024/4= 256
256-~230 = 26

100-(100*~230/1024+20+10+15)= 32.5390625
100-(10+25+20+15)= 30

32.5390625/30 = 1.084635417
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At low haste, the wyvern earring is also worth way less.
It's worth more than berserk, I didn't claim anything else. I don't need to claim anything else. Wonderful strawman though.
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Which is why I didn't call it a 9.3% increase to WS damage, just 9.3% increase to DoT, WS frequency, and SOME WS damage.
Which is why I didn't bring up 9.3% at all? You're not very good at this...
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Provided that nobody else in your party is WS'ing
God help you if you get interrupted and have to close a SC with someone other than yourself
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Get a better party and that won't be a concern as far as merits go,
If your healer has enough mp for healing/etc with you fulltiming hasso, they can be debuffing/nuking. There is always use for more mp.
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if we're talking about anything high end, sam can tank almost any mob in the game, in which /war would be required for voke
In a merit party you shouldn't have a "tank", in some other hypothetical tanking scenario you seem to have in your head(?) /DNC or /NIN (provoke isn't the only way to get hate) would be better choices.
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There is a reason it's one of the last ones, and I stand by both that quote and what I've said here, they're not actually contradictory (as much as you'd like that).



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On the subject, /drg, what earring to wear?

Non soboro = brutal.
Soboro = Bushinomimi?

Not that brutal is bad, but I'm assuming the loss to triple attack makes it not as good as just getting the extra str and attack on bushi.
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Firstly, you don't know what you're talking about really. I was saying anything harder than merit mobs you can tank. My whole point on merits is that you should be using polearm anyways. In before mamool, as colibri is better exp

Pizza builds are better than meat. All that attack you're losing, that's on what the 30% damage portion you were complaining about before on zerk? The extra haste and capping hit rate is worth it.

As for DA being weak, it's about a 50% increase in WS damage at 100% TP (hagun) and a 40% increase at 200 tp (hagun), so it's not totatlly worth discrediting

As for SC'ing w/ someone else, you can do that anyways, your point was self SC'ing, which isn't going to happen often when everyone is spamming

Strawman? You're the one pulling the straws mr "but jumps are worth less when you have less haste zomg"

Idk about you but when I merit, i can fulltime zerk hasso, and my mage has enough mp to keep up w/ the healing and dia IIIs

As for tanking, I was talking about situations other than merit, let's say like NMs and ls events. If you were only talking about meriting, then ALL your points are moot, since polearm is better to begin with when it comes to merits.
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On the subject, /drg, what earring to wear?

Non soboro = brutal.
Soboro = Bushinomimi?

Not that brutal is bad, but I'm assuming the loss to triple attack makes it not as good as just getting the extra str and attack on bushi.
bushi/wyvern with soboro





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I'll reply to you when you come up with a retort I haven't already refuted, or a new angle to a topic that's been beaten to death a ridiculous number of times at this point. I'm also willing make the concession that working with that extremely narrow/uncommon build, eating pizza at colibri, with a polearm instead of a GK, those specific buffs, and an uber back line /WAR would be better than /DRG (but I'm pretty sure you can see why I think that's irrelevant).

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My build, in particular can beat gk at colibri w/ meat using polearm. Anyone w/ a lesser build can still beat GK rather easily w/ polearm using something as simple as crab sushi.

Back to what you "refuted" DA can be very significant to y/g/k, as I alreasy stated in my last post, 40-50% increase depending on what TP you go at. You haven't refuted my points about sam being able to tank many mobs in this game, as I was not only talking about merits, ect.
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and in before you actually try to dispute polearm being better than GK at birds, lol

And before you get me wrong, my case is based on the fact that the person has 23% haste before /drg. I completely agree w/ drg at lower levels of haste where you can actually get a much larger benefit from the earring, well execpt for salvage and assaults or any situation sam will be a much more than viable tank.

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ok so if /drg is so good what lvl should i be subbing it at? i just hit lvl 60 few days ago. (oh and is there a minimum haste where if you have less haste then that /drg isnt as good? i usually dont get to party with bards)
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Think could hit 10% haste equip with /drg + earring, swift belt and zeal cap at 59?
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#24 Jan 25 2010 at 2:06 AM Rating: Excellent
You'd have +10% Haste going just by the numbers on the gear, but as far as your actual Haste, it'd be calculated as 9.77%, given how Haste works in game. If you're going for a Haste setup at that level though, I'd recommend either camping Sarutobi Kyahan or farming up to buy a pair of Fuma Kyahan to boost your Haste further (especially considering that Sam have relatively few choices for feet armor at that level).
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ok so if /drg is so good what lvl should i be subbing it at? i just hit lvl 60 few days ago. (oh and is there a minimum haste where if you have less haste then that /drg isnt as good? i usually dont get to party with bards)
I'd do it 30-49 and 70+, it's hard to give you an exact haste number because camps and buffs under 75 are soo variable.
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On a somewhat related note to the Soboro /DRG earring choice . . .

I have the new OAT GKT, which earring should I TP in opposite wyvern? Let's assume for any situation where Soboro would be used.
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Bushi?

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Is it really necro when it's less than 3 months old and still on page 1?
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I personally operate on "older than six weeks". Evidently your mileage may vary.
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There's also this notion that GKs are SAM's primary weapon. Nah, GKs for SAM are like GSes for DRK : what you use when you meet high DEF and/or high Eva mobs.
You should strive to use Polearms as often as possible.


Now that I have shared that mind-numbingly dumb piece of insight, you may continue with whatever it is you are going to say next.


You do realize that this is basically true. In the majority of situations/events, polearm will outperform GK with great ease. When you step into the realm of HNMs such as kings/sky Gods/jailers, you step into the realm where GK takes over *by a sizable margin*. Basically, anything that falls under the "merit level defense and evasion" will be polearm suitable. This is a large majority of events that one would be doing.
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I know this is old but do people really not wear Usu feet when they get the body? Has ANYONE noticed there is Sword strap? that is better then the 1% haste you would get from losing usu feet? people need to think outside the box me thinks.
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ShaunessyofHades wrote:
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Basically, anything that falls under the "merit level defense and evasion" will be polearm suitable. This is a large majority of events that one would be doing.
You mean anything that falls under weak to piercing merit level mobs. To say that the GK is SAMs secondary weapon is just silly.


I'm not saying GK is SAM's secondary weapon. I'm saying that in a large majority of situations, polearm will easily outdo GK. To argue otherwise when it's been proven more than once is just silly.
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ShaunessyofHades wrote:
Banggugyangu wrote:
Basically, anything that falls under the "merit level defense and evasion" will be polearm suitable. This is a large majority of events that one would be doing.
You mean anything that falls under weak to piercing merit level mobs. To say that the GK is SAMs secondary weapon is just silly.


no, anything that has low enough DEF and evasion. look through the forum for the math. polearm potential is higher than GK because of 5-hit and a stronger WS than y/g/k.
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#36GearingSAM, Posted: Apr 15 2010 at 5:00 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So like read first few post and last 2.... to start /WAR best sub your gana use for SAM endgame period. if you think otherwise then APPAENTLY you A dont have RDM + BRD/BRD rotation which basicly caps you at haste so haveing past 20% haste is stupid. I really dont think i shoudl spend more time bashing that because that basicly settle it besides you know whole Berserk warcry being able to voke sh*t off mages so only source of healing is dead and then you have no way of dealing dmg to a mob since youll be dead. and we alllll known dmg dd = loser in a parse ...hopefully.
#37 Apr 15 2010 at 7:13 AM Rating: Good
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GearingSAM, the more of your posts that I read the more I'm coming to the conclusion that you're trolling. But on the off chance that you're not...
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to start /WAR best sub your gana use for SAM endgame period

Not at all true. There are numerous posts as to why /DRG is better for great katana. Apart from the acc+10 job trait, you can also use the Wyvern Earring, adding 5% haste. Which brings me to my next point:

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RDM + BRD/BRD rotation which basicly caps you at haste so haveing past 20% haste is stupid

No. Haste from equipment caps at 25%, meaning that 5% from the /DRG only earring helps a lot. Haste from magic sources (haste from BRD and marches from BRD) has its own, separate cap (at around 43.75%). See this page for more information.

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why in gods name would you say #1 polearm #2 GK for sam? idk if you saying for meriting b.c then yes i agree for birds, but if your saying full time then wow....go play drg. you know, theres a thing called skill and se stressed it APPARENTLY you need a lot of skill to be bale to actually hit a mob, oh and hitting mob = dmg. i also mention polearm + skill + sam = doesnt mix well? nuff said get hagun.

No one is saying that polearm > gkt in all situations. What they're saying is that plm has a higher potential than gkt, because of it's ability to secure a 5-hit without losing too much in the way of haste/acc, and because of the stronger WS. As a caveat, as SAMs have only a B- in plm, the skill level caps at 240, 36 skill levels behind gkt, meaning a shortfall of 36 att and 32 acc. Hence the comment earlier about it only being better for mobs with low defence and evasion. On mobs with higher def/eva, the lower att/acc from plm will hurt too much, so gkt will be better.

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#38GearingSAM, Posted: Apr 15 2010 at 8:02 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) for the most part im not really trolling if i was be more /b/ refrences im simply stating my opinion however if you have SAM and ever had double march from a fuly merited and skill geared BRD with a good RDM and you attack you will attack non stop using that as a base more haste is basicly usless as you dont really need more once you reach that point soloing or when u cant get that as a base yeah id agree .drg better but for most sh*t not really (besides like einherjar n namis)
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GearingSAM wrote:
for the most part im not really trolling if i was be more /b/ refrences im simply stating my opinion however if you have SAM and ever had double march from a fuly merited and skill geared BRD with a good RDM and you attack you will attack non stop using that as a base more haste is basicly usless as you dont really need more once you reach that point soloing or when u cant get that as a base yeah id agree .drg better but for most sh*t not really (besides like einherjar n namis)

That's completely backwards, haste has increasing returns the more of it you have so the 5% haste from Wyvern Earring has more value in high haste situations than low hase.

Example with 20% haste gear before earring:
No outside haste, just hasso and gear going from 30% to 35% is a ~7.7% increase in attack speed.
With haste and double march going from 65% to 70% is a ~16.7% increase in attack speed.

Edited, Apr 15th 2010 11:24am by FirePhil
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#40 Apr 15 2010 at 12:55 PM Rating: Default
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GearingSAM wrote:
for the most part im not really trolling if i was be more /b/ refrences im simply stating my opinion however if you have SAM and ever had double march from a fuly merited and skill geared BRD with a good RDM and you attack you will attack non stop using that as a base more haste is basicly usless as you dont really need more once you reach that point soloing or when u cant get that as a base yeah id agree .drg better but for most sh*t not really (besides like einherjar n namis)


This almost made me crap my pants. First off... the name... "GearingSAM"? WTF is that supposed to mean? Secondly, this post is filled with so much fail that my eyes began to bleed a little.
#41GearingSAM, Posted: Apr 15 2010 at 1:48 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i believe theres only one interpretation to "gearingsam" kinda self explainitory but, seeing how much common sense is lacked by everyone else in these forums im not amazed you couldnt pick that up. /bored now...
#42 Apr 15 2010 at 2:06 PM Rating: Good
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Is it really necro when it's less than 3 months old and still on page 1?
yes, 3 weeks is generous
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I have the new OAT GKT, which earring should I TP in opposite wyvern?
Bushi, but not by nearly as much
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I'm saying that in a large majority of situations, polearm will easily outdo GK.
ehh, due to atk/acc concerns I think you're being generous with "majority" with respect to endgame, but polearm definitely is extremely nice for weakish mobs or any situation where you are extremely buffed.
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GearingSAM, the more of your posts that I read the more I'm coming to the conclusion that you're trolling.
It's pretty obvious, yeah
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#43 Apr 16 2010 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
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"Gearing" being the present progressive form of the verb "gear" could have the following meanings:

1: Providing with or connecting by gearing (noun form of the word)
2: Putting into gear (in regards to an automotive transmission)
3: Providing with gear, supplying, or equipping. *Probably what you're referring*
4: Preparing, adjusting, or adapting to a particular situation, person, etc... in order to bring satisfactory results *Essentially the opposite of what you're actually doing, so this is a definite "No"*

As such, the only one that properly fits would be choice 3. However, the present perfect tense of this word implies that one is not already provided with gear, supplied, or equipped. We can thus conclude that you already in fact imply that you are retarded.
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