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#1 Jan 07 2010 at 12:21 PM Rating: Decent
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SAM gear setup advice.

TP Setup (6-hit - Full sTP Merits):
Main: Ushikirimaru
Sub : Pole Grip
Rang: Expunger
Ammo:
Head: Askar Zucchetto
Neck: Chivalrous Chain
Ear1: Bushinomimi
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Askar Korazin (Haubergeon when using Tomoe)
Hand: Dusk Gloves
Rng1: Rajas Ring
Rng2: Ulthalam's Ring
Back: Amemet Mantle +1
Wais: Swift Belt
Legs: Byakko's Haidate
Feet: Usukane Sune-ate


This is what I am currently doing for my TP build, w/ GK. I am debating switching back to my Hauby full time over Korazin as well as Turban over Zucchetto. Just not sure at this point, I think the dex/acc will make up for the dbl att anyday and since I am set as far as sTP w/ Rajas and Sune-ate.


Current WS builds are:

Gekko/Yuki/Kasha:
Head: Shura Zunari Kabuto
Neck: Soil/Snow Gorget
Ear1: Bushinomimi
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Kirin's Osode
Hand: Myochin Kote +1
Rng1: Rajas Ring
Rng2: Ulthalam's Ring
Back: Cerberus Mantle
Wais: Warwolf Belt
Legs: Shura Haidate
Feet: Usukane Sune-ate

Debating Shura Haidate or Usukane Hizayoroi as well as Usukane Sune-ate or Askar Gambieras.


Rana/Penta:
Head: Shura Zunari Kabuto
Neck: Chivalrous Chain
Ear1: Bushinomimi
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Haubergeon
Hand: Myochin Kote +1
Rng1: Rajas Ring
Rng2: Ulthalam's Ring
Back: Cerberus Mantle
Wais: Potent belt
Legs: Shura Haidate
Feet: Usukane Sune-ate

Same setup almost but more focus on acc in some spots. Should I consider not using Brutal Earring for these since dbl att does not really apply to anything more than the first hit and maybe an att/str earring would be better?


Not looking for flame as I consider all these well put together sets just want some added advice or suggestions to make them even better. Nearing completion of Usukane hands and head too so if think those fit in somewhere add them as well. Thanks in advance.



Edited, Jan 7th 2010 11:29am by Yukora
#2 Jan 07 2010 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
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TP Gear
Main: Ushikirimaru --> Hagun or Onimaru
Sub : Pole Grip
Rang: Expunger --> Lightning Bow +1
Ammo:
Head: Askar Zucchetto --> Walahra Turban
Neck: Chivalrous Chain --> PCA/PCC
Ear1: Bushinomimi
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Askar Korazin (Haubergeon when using Tomoe) --> Lose the Askar
Hand: Dusk Gloves
Rng1: Rajas Ring
Rng2: Ulthalam's Ring
Back: Amemet Mantle +1
Wais: Swift Belt
Legs: Byakko's Haidate
Feet: Usukane Sune-ate

Y/G/K
Gekko/Yuki/Kasha:
Head: Shura Zunari Kabuto
Neck: Soil/Snow Gorget --> I use Shadow/Snow
Ear1: Bushinomimi
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Kirin's Osode
Hand: Myochin Kote +1 --> Alkys
Rng1: Rajas Ring
Rng2: Ulthalam's Ring --> Flame Ring
Back: Cerberus Mantle --> Smilodon +1
Wais: Warwolf Belt
Legs: Shura Haidate
Feet: Usukane Sune-ate --> Rutters/Askar

Penta:
Head: Shura Zunari Kabuto --> Hissho
Neck: Chivalrous Chain --> Shadow Gorget
Ear1: Bushinomimi --> Fowling Earring
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Haubergeon
Hand: Myochin Kote +1 --> I use Bandomusha Kote on mine
Rng1: Rajas Ring
Rng2: Ulthalam's Ring
Back: Cerberus Mantle --> Forager's/Amamet +1
Wais: Potent belt
Legs: Shura Haidate
Feet: Usukane Sune-ate

That's what I could think of at a glance, mainly though, I'd get a different GK
#3 Jan 07 2010 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
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What are you fighting?

Edit: Also, what are you subbing?

Edited, Jan 7th 2010 3:40pm by JaxReborn
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#4 Jan 08 2010 at 3:22 PM Rating: Good
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Body: Askar Korazin (Haubergeon when using Tomoe)


Not just when using Polearm, ditch the Askar period. Askar is only useful for weak mobs, or mobs with low evasion (For meriting, Askar is never the solution unless your using a GKT with Madrigal....)
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#5 Jan 09 2010 at 2:57 AM Rating: Good
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I do have one question about Askar (don't have one ATM). How useful would it be if it allowed you to obtain a 6-hit if you didn't have Usakane and wanted to keep Dusk / Fuma?

I most likely will never do Salvage because I live in East Asia and won't be able to regularly attend in any shell. I've been using Carbonara to fill out my 6-hit while keeping Dusk / Fuma. So this really only revolved around things that steal food or situations where it wouldn't be economic / efficient to use Carbonara.
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#6 Jan 09 2010 at 3:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you have 5/5 Stp Merits, you could use Rose Strap, Rajas, Brutal, ecphoria (or chiv. chain if no pcc etc). Askar isn't really worth it imo.
#7 Jan 10 2010 at 11:20 AM Rating: Decent
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If you have 5/5 STP merits, you can use Rose Strap/Brutal/Rajas on TP and Rose Strap/Brutal/Rajas/Hachiman Sune-Ate/Myochin Haidate+1 on WS. This requires that you have done some Limbus though.
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#8 Jan 10 2010 at 11:54 AM Rating: Good
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JaxReborn wrote:
If you have 5/5 STP merits, you can use Rose Strap/Brutal/(Chiv or Ecphoria)/Rajas on TP
Fixed, as otherwise you're short one STP.
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#9 Jan 10 2010 at 3:13 PM Rating: Good
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What I said was right.

11.5 TP Base from 450 Delay GKT
35 Store TP from Traits and merits
10 Store TP on the set I list for TP = 45 Store TP on TP
19 Store TP on the set I list for WS = 54 Store TP on WS

11.5 * 1.45 = 16.6 TP on TP set
11.5 * 1.54 = 17.7 TP on WS set

(5 hits * 16.6) + (1 hit * 17.7) = 100.7 TP in 6 hits.
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#10 Jan 11 2010 at 12:59 AM Rating: Good
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JaxReborn wrote:
What I said was right.

11.5 TP Base from 450 Delay GKT
35 Store TP from Traits and merits
10 Store TP on the set I list for TP = 45 Store TP on TP
19 Store TP on the set I list for WS = 54 Store TP on WS

11.5 * 1.45 = 16.6 TP on TP set
11.5 * 1.54 = 17.7 TP on WS set

(5 hits * 16.6) + (1 hit * 17.7) = 100.7 TP in 6 hits.


Not quite right. You dont need af+1 pants. Rose/brutal/rajas/hachiboots are all you need(sTP 50) on ws.

11.5 * 1.45 = 16.6, 16.6x5 = 83, 83-100 = 17
All you need is 17 TP return.

11.5 * 1.50 = 17.2 <- that'll do.
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#11 Jan 12 2010 at 9:25 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, Rose Strap is god for non usu SAM's, means you can roll with a 25% haste 6-HIT whilst maintaining the ACC on Hauby+1.

If you use a White Tathlum, you can keep your PCC & TRing on w/o the need for cc or ecphoria.



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#12 Jan 12 2010 at 11:28 AM Rating: Good
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Not quite right. You dont need af+1 pants.


Good catch. I listed that gear because its what I use and I know it gives 6-hit. So yeah, you don't need to do endgame then to be able to have 6-hit and Dusk/Fumas.

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If you use a White Tathlum, you can keep your PCC & TRing on w/o the need for cc or ecphoria.


I don't think that is even necessary. My TP set uses Rose Strap/Brutal/Rajas and has PCC (I dont have TRing but I don't use ecphoria), and it has 25% haste as /DRG. My WS set uses Rose Strap/Brutal/Rajas/Hachiman Sune-Ate/Myochin Haidate+1 (and we saw that Myn Haidate+1 aren't needed, but I use for STR), and I still get 6-hit.
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#13 Jan 12 2010 at 12:42 PM Rating: Good
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There's more than a few ways you can work it now, I never bothered with Limbus for SAM, so AF+1 legs wasn't an option, although I do use Shura+1 for ws, so there are still ways you can squeeze extra STR and ACC into your setups. It just costs a lot of gilz.
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#14 Jan 12 2010 at 12:54 PM Rating: Good
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Just gonna piggy back here and I'm trying to improve my penta build... You only need +54 STP to get a 5-hit polearm (480 delay) correct?

Merit Party: Bird Camp
Food: Crab Sushi
STP merits: 5/5 = +35 STP
Weapon: Engetsu (+1)

TP:
W. Turban
Hauby
Dusk Gloves
B. Haidate
Usu Feet (+7)
Rose Strap (+4)
PCA
Rajas/Ecop (+6)
Brutal/Hallow (+1)
Swift
Amemet+1 (I do not have Cuch yet)
Tiphia Sting (planning to get the R/E with +3 acc/+1 str)

WS:
Duck Helm (acc/ws augments)
Hauby
O. Kote (I will have Usu hands if that's better?)
S. Haidate (I have Usu pants if that's better?)
Usu feet
Shadow Gorget
Rajas/Iota (maybe Rajas/Omicron?)
Brutal/Fowling
Virtuoso Belt(maybe Warwolf?)
Amemet+1 (I do not have Cuch yet)
Tiphia Sting (planning to get the R/E with +3 acc/+1 str)

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