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#1 Dec 22 2009 at 10:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Hi

I wasn't sure if i should post this in Endgame or this forum so here goes. if it is in the wrong forum then i apologies

I'm part of a SP that is taking part of Nyzul once a week,i have been thinking alot about my build for this event. What i am trying to do is make a competent build which can 1) benefit the party as whole and 2) if the s**t hits the fan can solo the mob quickly. (if possible)

I intend to go Sam/Nin for several reasons Shadows for Spell absorbtion and mob tp moves, snk and invis cheaper to use etc

My gear i have follows and granted i need to do a lot of work to improve this

Weapon: Windslicer / Onimaru (sp?)
Grip: Rose / Stun / Pole / claymore
Head: Emperor Hairpin / Wturban / Wyvern helm
Body: Hauby / Scopion / Domaru
Back: amemet mantle +1
Neck: chiv chain / Bull Necklace
Hands: Hachiman Kote / Dusk / Tarasque Mitts +1
Waist: Life belt / Warwolf
Legs: Shinimusha
Feet: fuma sune-ate / Hachiman sune-ate / Dusk
Ranged: shigeto / Lighning
Ammo: Arrows
Ear 1 Fowling / Spike
Ear 2 Minuet / Spike
Ring 1 Ecphoria / Ruby / Snipers / Blood
Ring 2 Ecphoria / Ruby / Snipers / Blood


Merits are
Store tp 3/5
Shikko 1/5
Crit 4/4
GK 1/7 (second number is what i intend to take it to)
evasion 3/5(second number is what i intend to take it to)

I am looking to use carbonara for the event which will give me more store tp( different sites give a differnt value of store tp so far ive read store tp5, 6 and7?) and a few more HP

My thinking is to have 2 maybe 3 macro sets which is standard mobs ep - dc drop a chunk of ACC and more str haste or Attk

Boss floor gear as i would for merit camps

and a O s**t macro which is pile on the accuracy and send a call to the party members to let them know i'm in trouble.

The evasion build is what it is, it is there so hopefully if there are problems i dont ruin a run by dying.

My main focus is on the EP - DC mobs


My ideal build would be

Windlsicer (i know onimaru is better but i want RANA!!)
Stun Grip (this benefits the party more than pole IMO)
Shigeto Bow
Arrows (demon probably)
Wturban
c chain
Hauby
H Kote
shinimusha
Fuma Sune Ate
Amemet Mantle +1
Warwolf
Ruby
Echphoria
Fowling
Minuet

Store TP 47
Haste 8%

This i think is the best options ive got so far which is a balance of haste and Store TP, i will overshoot the store tp because im using carbonara but i dont know by how much.

Dependent on this i will ether replace the hands or get a new leg peice for the event.

what would you replace and why? how much TP can i lose off of the build because of the food and what peice would you drop for something a little better.

I suppose this is a sanity check to make sure im not missing anything with the gear ive got.

Thanks for reading








Edited, Dec 22nd 2009 11:18am by silksmiler
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#2 Dec 22 2009 at 10:37 AM Rating: Decent
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I see couple problems with this in my precoffee induced state . First off if you tried to use windslicer on my floor climb id kick you out asap. Get some floors under your belt and go to the tree and with a skill up party and unlock it there.

Second wow trying my best not to be mean,ummm stun grip? are you smoking crack? Nyzul isle is all bout speed and working together faster kills equals more time for the harder floors and stun grip helps this in no way.

Lastly your hand gear weres your pallas/aslky braclets? You can get the cheaper ones for under 100k.If i figured it out right eating carbonera you should still have enough store tp to keep your 6 hit build.
#3 Dec 22 2009 at 10:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Sorry Ommisison on my part ive got alky bracelets and i didnt list my ws macro.

Macro Set

Wyvern helm
Chiv chain
Domaru
alky bracelets
Shimimusha
Warwolf
Hachiman Sune-ate

My thinking behind the Stun grip was interuption of spells and TP moves but if pole grip is better (and i can see why) then i will happily use that.

If onimaru is they way forward then that will be used as well i know the plus acc and attk will go along way. I really want Rana but you are right it is not fair on the other members to delibratly gimp myself and slow progress for an event, when people are giving up there time to do this!!

Thanks for the advice :)

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#4 Dec 22 2009 at 12:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Being a Sam main and leader of a nyzul static that worked very well over 2 years, I'll give you out some pointers ;)

1) What is the rest of your team job's? If there's someone giving out some sort of haste, use haste equip as much as you can ^^

2) Sam/nin is good for nyzul, use Onimaru and try to close some SCs off you teammates WS on the fly if you can, always nice to bust a lvl 2 or 3 sc on a mob, gets it dead faster ^^

3) I think most of the askar line of equip would suit you well: feet for ws, legs, hands, body and helm for TP ;)

4) Make a macro to switch in/out you dusk hands, you need to run fast in nyzul :P

5)Unlock Rana at the end(floor 100)or past floor 50 at the very least ;)

6) Nyzul is one place where marinara pizza could do well, gives both ACC and Attack, especially if you do 3-4 runs back to back ;)

7) As for merits, aim toward finishing Store TP, and possibly try to get 3/5 Overwhelm done, that 15% ws increase while facing mob is a godsend, and if you have spare time, GKT skill ^^ bringing a polearm is also a nice bonus when you get some slashing damage immune/resistant mob ;)

8) As for mega bosses, always bring 2x HP item, Dusty wing and Physical immune item, you could possibly bust out 7-8 ws if timed right ;)

9) Hope you have some good hard DD to help you out, Mnk/War/Drk/Drg/Sam usually have some good WS SC to work with ;) Work as a team and try to bounce hate as much as you can ;)

10) In Nyzul, it,s always better to be overprepared then get caught up...Stock on echo drops, spare foods, regen drinks, tools prepared ahead of time, Reraise items always ;)

11) Last but not least, COMMUNICATION ^^ If it works well, you'll fing Nyzul to be fun and addictive while acquiring some loot ;)

If you need any more advise, let me know :P

Edited, Dec 22nd 2009 1:47pm by hyunkyl
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#5 Dec 24 2009 at 11:56 PM Rating: Good
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A couple points:

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6) Nyzul is one place where marinara pizza could do well, gives both ACC and Attack, especially if you do 3-4 runs back to back
Soulflayers will **** you off eating pizza. They can, and will, use a move that removes all buffs, including food. They always seemed to use it on runs I used pizza. For the same reason you can use Askar body in Nyzul, I'd stick with meat.

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evasion 3/5(second number is what i intend to take it to)
EVA can only be meritted 4 times. But honestly, I wouldn't bother with EVA merits.

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Arrows (demon probably)
You aren't using ammo on SAM in Nyzul, except if needed to pull a mob. In which case, just use cheapo arrows. There's really no point to using Demon arrows here.

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Head: Emperor Hairpin
Work on an O-Hat. No -HP when doing the +EVA build, as well as +10 Acc. Yay.
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#6 Jan 02 2010 at 6:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Cyth wrote:
Soulflayers will **** you off eating pizza. They can, and will, use a move that removes all buffs, including food. They always seemed to use it on runs I used pizza. For the same reason you can use Askar body in Nyzul, I'd stick with meat.

Marinara Pizza was cheap enough that I used to bring two on SAM (plus a stack of Yellow Curry Buns in case we get Soulflayers). With my current gear and merits, though, I don't think I need the accuracy, so no long bring pizza.

Well, actually, ... I still keep a pizza in /satchel, in case I feel like using Tomoe.

Edited, Jan 2nd 2010 5:34am by IfritnoItazura
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#7 Jan 04 2010 at 2:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I always go SAM to Nyzul. Personally I don't gear it all that different than I would for a merit party, except I wear my Askar body (TP), Rutter sabatons (WS), and pole grip, instead of my NQ hauby (/cry), hachiman feet, and rose strap. My gear gives me 20% haste. Accuracy is really not an issue in Nyzul with the exception of a few mobs (maybe the Qiqirn THFs for example). I eat mithkabobs, because soulflayers and colibri can strip your food, and really, you don't need pizza.

One thing others here may disagree with me on is your use of evasion gear. You don't need it. Go for damage. Remember your goal is to kill as quickly as possible. If you are /NIN, you really shouldn't be taking much damage anyways before a mob dies. Use third eye to help you get Ichi up if you need, it should be seamless SETE -> Ichi -> Ni -> repeat.

Looking at your gear:

Weapon: Onimaru (break windslicer on your own time)
Grip: Pole if you have 6-hit without Rose, otherwise rose
Head: W. Turban/Wyvern Helm, don't need hairpin for anything. You are /NIN anyways.
Body: Hauby/Domaru (killing the mob quickly is your ultimate goal)
Back: Amemit+1 (Get a smilodon+1 for YGK)
Neck: Chiv. Chain/Bull Necklace
Hands: Whatever it takes for 6-hit, Dusk preferred if you can, no need for Tarasque
Waist: Life belt/Warwolf ok, try to get some haste for TP
Legs: OK if you need those, but I bet there are better combinations of gear for your 6-hit, work on getting rajas to full time.
Feet: You have fumas, why would you use dusk?
Ear1: Fowling, don't need spike
Ear2: can improve here (brutal and the Ark Angels one come to mind, I forget what its called, I have suppa)
Rings: Whatever works to get you 6-hit and the most accuracy, STR for WS (Rajas, flame, etc)

Pretty much every normal mob in Nyzul can be solo'd without taking much damage at all. Many NMs can as well. Once you get rana, a solo SC can usually finish off a normal mob.

As for merits, finish off your store TP first. It is the most important to freeing up your gear while maintaining 6-hit. Don't forget overwhelm 5/5 either. I have 4/5 blade bash, and I find it to be pretty useful in Nyzul to have a stun for things like sleepga which can eat a lot of time if your healer is off assisting another party member (or if they happen to be in range).

Edited, Jan 4th 2010 4:07pm by JaxReborn
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#8 Jan 04 2010 at 3:15 PM Rating: Good
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sorry for short post, but i agree that evasion is a nonstarter. especially if you're /NIN. don't bother meriting evasion either; you'll regret it and take the merits out eventually. it just doesn't do enough... it won't make a difference to your solos or small group activity outside of placebo.
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Being a Sam main and leader of a nyzul static that worked very well over 2 years, I'll give you out some pointers ;)

1) What is the rest of your team job's? If there's someone giving out some sort of haste, use haste equip as much as you can ^^

2) Sam/nin is good for nyzul, use Onimaru and try to close some SCs off you teammates WS on the fly if you can, always nice to bust a lvl 2 or 3 sc on a mob, gets it dead faster ^^

3) I think most of the askar line of equip would suit you well: feet for ws, legs, hands, body and helm for TP ;)

4) Make a macro to switch in/out you dusk hands, you need to run fast in nyzul :P

5)Unlock Rana at the end(floor 100)or past floor 50 at the very least ;)

6) Nyzul is one place where marinara pizza could do well, gives both ACC and Attack, especially if you do 3-4 runs back to back ;)

7) As for merits, aim toward finishing Store TP, and possibly try to get 3/5 Overwhelm done, that 15% ws increase while facing mob is a godsend, and if you have spare time, GKT skill ^^ bringing a polearm is also a nice bonus when you get some slashing damage immune/resistant mob ;)

8) As for mega bosses, always bring 2x HP item, Dusty wing and Physical immune item, you could possibly bust out 7-8 ws if timed right ;)

9) Hope you have some good hard DD to help you out, Mnk/War/Drk/Drg/Sam usually have some good WS SC to work with ;) Work as a team and try to bounce hate as much as you can ;)

10) In Nyzul, it,s always better to be overprepared then get caught up...Stock on echo drops, spare foods, regen drinks, tools prepared ahead of time, Reraise items always ;)

11) Last but not least, COMMUNICATION ^^ If it works well, you'll fing Nyzul to be fun and addictive while acquiring some loot ;)

If you need any more advise, let me know :P



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#10 Jan 04 2010 at 3:45 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd just like to point out that you should probably can those Shinimusha haidate. If you have 3/5 Store TP merits, use Rose Strap(4) with Chiv Chain(1)/Hachiman Kote(8)/Ecphoria Ring(1) on TP (Total+14) and Hachiman Domaru(6) and Sune-ate(5) on your WS (Total +15) for your Store TP pieces, you have a 6-hit. Unless I made an error in my math. You could easily do better on legs for DD. Even something like royal knights or AF would be better, for example. Get yourself a Rajas and the last 2 Store TP merits and you can wear those dusk gloves with the 6-hit too.
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#11 Jan 04 2010 at 5:18 PM Rating: Good
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You made a mistake, you need 21 STP for meleeing, which 5 hits puts you 83 even (16.6*5), meaning you would need an additional 0.4 stp return from ws, which you could swap hachi gloves for hachi feet and use a domaru (which I think he currently does).

If you're rolling at 20 STP for TP you need 23 STP for WS.

Typically people TP in 21 STP and ws in maybe 6, though prolly not needed.
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#12 Jan 04 2010 at 5:46 PM Rating: Decent
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He has 25 base from traits and 6 from merits. Base TP of onimaru is 11.5. If he has +14 on TP, thats a total of +45, which is 16.6 a hit. +15 on WS is a total of +46, which is 16.7 a hit. (5 hits * 16.6) + (1 hit * 16.7) = 99.7, so blah I was wrong. Just need 1 more store TP on TP build then. Get one more level of merits and drop those pants.
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#13 Jan 04 2010 at 10:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Alternatively by capping merits you would only need 11 in gear, which could be rose strap and hachi gloves (4+8) and require no STP gear to WS in (besides rose strap).

Ideally you would want to get rajas ring and brutal earring, meaning you would only need 5 STP from gear, which could be
1. rose strap + chiv chain (or ering if you got PCC)
2. enkidu's subligar (or JSE blech assuming no haste legs)
3. ACP body with STP + chiv chain (or ering)
4. Hachi gloves
5. Askar body*****only on areas where you would naturally have capped accuracy, not full timed

Basically you want to drop your weakest gear slots for the stp without a heavy sacrifice of accuracy (ie don't drop haub first). Because you have easy options of dusk gloves and fumas sune-ate, you prolly want to look for other places. Were you to ever get byakko's haidate (or haste/acc ASA legs) this would be a slot you would want to use for haste.

Again to clarify, only ONLY use askar body in situations where you will already have near capped accuracy. It is inferior to haub in all other situations.

Also if you're using a hachi domaru over an osode (osode better) you won't need to use chiv chain or ering with brutal/rajas/rose since you'll overshoot on your ws to cover the .4 you would normally be shy.
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#14 Jan 05 2010 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent
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People will probably make fun of me... but you might try to build an evasion set also. With /NIN and a decent evasion set, SAM can tank most stuff in Nyzul all day long without much support. Pretty useful for when sh*t hits the fan and the mob won't be going down anytime soon. Mine is something like this:

Optical Hat
Evasion Torque
Ethereal Earring
Evasion Earring
Scorpion Harness +1
Seiryu's Kote
Wivre Ring
Wivre Ring
Boxer's Mantle
Scouter's Rope
Myochin Haidate +1
Myochin Sune-Ate

That is Evasion+43, Evasion Skill+25, Parrying Skill+20, Agility+19 (assuming I'm adding right), on top of a native A- Parry and B+ Evasion it works pretty well, can tank almost as well as NIN main.

*edit* Best thing about SAM/NIN is you don't really even need to count shadows. When all your shadows are gone you either (a) cast Ni, np, or (b) put up Third Eye, equip evasion set, and cast Ichi, generally enough buffer to get Ichi up without having to time it.

Edited, Jan 5th 2010 12:21pm by Lothiriel
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