I'm the tank in most of the stuff I do on SAM already, and I care very little about having hate in merit parties in particular. I'm fine getting more hate if I can do more dmg and I honestly believe that a fully pimped levi SAM would significantly outdo yoichi vs birds. In the situations that I do care about not having hate I wouldn't use Soboro, and if you're going to sit back and just fire you'd be better off RNG main w/ Coronach ya?
Yoichi (Shigeto+4) is like picking up Ragnarok, sure it's better than Subduer, but Subduer wasn't a good option to begin with. "insanely powerful" is certainly not what I'd use to describe it.
Edited, Dec 14th 2009 9:29pm by shintasama
in the post i linked to, i explained how the soboro namas spammer could increase his damage by 50% by simply capping melee ACC and averaging a modest 4.5 strikes per WS (with SAM roll! i regularly had a 5-hit in my old einherjar ls due to SAM roll--the apoc DRK ls leader insisted on it in our pt. you can bet i averaged fewer than 4 strikes per WS -_-). i didn't even mention namas macro improvements (which this gimp yoichi SAM surely must have needed considering he played so god awful), and i made no effort to account for aggressiveness in targeting.
show me how you can increase the polearm SAM in that parse's damage by 40% and i'll take the "lol namas damage" seriously. you can opine about the utility of parses, but this is theorycrafting. cythriell's melee average was 193. 193/1.25/94 = 1.6, so he had about 640~ ATT from food, chaos roll, minuet--is he to spam red curry to improve? crit% was 16%, so he's not going to get there via crits. maybe he needs to WS more aggressively? no way, he averaged 3.2 hits per WS, that's undeniably strong. WS average was 1545... is he going to get 40% more damage by raising that? by switching from tomoe to leviathan's?
couple all that with the fact that this polearm SAM gimps his parties with minuet and SAM roll which disproportionately favor him over the namas user, and it seems incontrovertible that SAM/DRG namas spam > polearm SAM. and there's no situational aspect here--lower the buffs and the namas SAM keeps GK ACC and ATT, while the polearm SAM starts whiffing.
in the right context i buy amano > yoichi SAM, or apoc > yoichi SAM, but polearm SAM falls universally below the potential of yoichi. piercing bonus can't make up the difference when the big shiny WS is piercing.