Askar or Dusk - Which is right for me?Follow

SAM/WAR
Base STR:67
Base DEX:75
G.Katana Merits: 4/8
Uskikimaru/Soboro
Rose Strap
W.Turban
Chivalrous Chain
Fowling Earring
Brutal Earring
Haubergeon
Rajas Ring
Iota Ring
Amemet Mantle +1
Swift Belt
Byakko's Haidate
Fuma Sune-Ate

With the listed stats and equipment how would the +1-2% hit rate increase from askar's dex compare to the extra +1% haste on dusk in situations where I'm not getting any accuracy buffs from other jobs? I feel like there should be a clear winner but it's hard to tell with the limited parses I've done so far.

Thank you for the reply, and link. It was very informative, but it makes me sad to see my dusk gloves relegated to only being used on my ninja during the day and the rare times I'm in a very high haste situation.

You know, if you also got an Askar hat, you'd be right at the point where you would start hitting serious crit gains from DEX on birds.

I wouldn't personally give up 2% haste just for those crit gains most of the time, but if you're already leaning away from the dusk gloves because of the movement penalty (which frankly, is a dealbreaker for me; it's just too annoying, whether it has consequences on damage output or not), then it's something to think about. With the two Askar Pieces, a Cuchulain's Mantle would come with +4% crits on birds, which is certainly not terrible.

*edit* Actually, I think with a Soboro I would give up the haste for the Askar, since the STR and and crits are more significant, and in the high-haste environments where 2% haste would pull meaningfully ahead, things are going too fast for me anyway and I'm wasting tp all over the place.

Edited, Dec 7th 2009 2:39am by Caesura

if i told you that tachi: gekko, yukikaze, and kasha cannot critical hit, would you still wear crit strap on SAM?

well, at least you know it's a bad idea. the things you're calling "fun" sound disingenuous to me (i think you're just trying to get a reaction from people you don't like), but i suppose seeing the crit rate % number at 18% instead of 15% could be "fun" for someone. and doing less damage without any qualitative / playstyle difference could also be "fun".

I used Askar Manopolas to avoid the smallest mistake I can make with being late by small fraction of second switching to running gear. This kind of mistake can add up, nullifying the extra 1% haste on dusk gloves.

also DEX builds probably not that great without unusual DEX gear (Hauby +1, Askar Zucchetto, Manopolas, Byakko's Haidate, and Cuchulain's Mantle). That is, assuming you're Mithra using Polearm in Colibri.

Edited, Dec 7th 2009 4:40am by VZX

you have to try harder to troll me. go big or not at all, come on.

Critical Hit bonus from DEX was not a factor In my thoughts actually. It was the accuracy gained from the DEX. My accuracy is not capped on pretty much anything that's high end VT or above without accuracy buffs or feint.

I did some quick and dirty math of my own based on information from the links Milich provided and came to the conclusion that 4 ACC > 1% Haste until either ACC is capped or total haste exceeds 55%. Does that sound about right to those of you that have spent more time looking at the numbers?

Yep, 4 ACC is +2% hit rate, which assuming near-capped accuracy (and ignoring Zanshin) will give you slightly more than 2% extra hits landed. 1% haste reduces your delay by 1% of your original delay, which at 55% haste will give you slightly more than 2% extra hits landed.

Zanshin actually skews the numbers a little in favour of haste, though. As a result, a SAM/DRG in "standard" haste gear with 25% gear haste and 10% Hasso haste is going to be reaching the 50%-or-so point where 1% haste beats 4 ACC any time he has any outside haste (meaning, any buffer, pretty much) as long as he leaves Hasso up for everything but emergencies. So, in party situations, it's going to be very rare that the extra haste from Dusk Gloves won't beat the accuracy on Askar gloves, and any time you have two (or, *shiver of delight* three) sources of outside haste, the Dusk wins easily.

That said, I still prefer Askar to Dusk because I just really hate the movement penalty. SAM is my only job without +movement gear, and so feels sluggish already. With Dusk, I just don't want anything to do with it. So, I take the performance hit and wear Askar (which, conveniently, is also prettier).

If you wear the Dusk, though, then Askar still has a place in any "run to the next mob" macro, since it doesn't punish you much if you're slow to switch to Dusk when you get to the mob.

I guess the best solution if at all possible, is to wear Askar or Ace's head, Askar hands and a speed belt.

Question:
If you have 26% haste in gear, how much of the final 1% do you actually get?

a lot of people like funkmaster flex.

anyway, the reason i think you're trolling is that what you said doesn't make sense. it's one thing to be like, "i like playing SAM/RNG even though it's not the most damage." it even almost makes sense to say, "i just like how domaruuuu looks compared to haubergeon." but "i like to raise my crit rate a couple % because it's FUN!" you know that doesn't make any sense.

also, i could have assumed that you're just too stupid to understand my points about fun / qualitative difference and therefore ignored them when you responded "no one remembers fun hurrrr". i chose to give you the benefit of the doubt and think you were expressing some emotional problems rather than raw lack of intelligence. that being the case, i urged you to troll harder, because that post really didn't get me to RAGE. you have to go big or not at all, you know?

edit: @deboro, actually i've forgotten what it takes to make me RAGE. hmm... maybe stuff about guard? i don't know. no one ever really gets me there. i think i'm untrollable actually. it's because i'm kind of a space cadet. i don't even care about important things, much less trifling things.

Edited, Dec 7th 2009 7:30pm by milich

no, you're lying.