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#1 Dec 06 2009 at 2:38 PM Rating: Decent
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My friend recently made transactions (with my account and in-game money) lol so I got myself an Enkidu's harness for Sam and Nin that I can't throw out XD I know it's great for soloing and such but would it be slightly better or worse then a NQ Haubergeon for Multi-hit WS(Jin,Rana and Penta)?
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#2 Dec 06 2009 at 2:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dex 5 v Dex 0 for WS. I think you know the answer.
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Dex 5 v Dex 0 for WS

Mostly go with this DD wise, real in game I gotta keep my ass alive wise, I'd swap out for Enki body on that Seigan+ThirdEye macro to keep me from dancing with the dirt.
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Mostly go with this DD wise, real in game I gotta keep my ass alive wise, I'd swap out for Enki body on that Seigan+ThirdEye macro to keep me from dancing with the dirt.


eh not sure why this guy got sub-defaulted, it's not a bad suggestion. When the mob is on you and the fight is not ending anytime soon it's generally a good idea to put a more defensive set on. SAM has great evasion and parry skill, so why not take advantage? I have a full EVA set for my SAM and I use it all the time, can tank DC-VT level stuff almost as well as a NIN.
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#5 Dec 08 2009 at 4:43 PM Rating: Good
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While I guess it'd be ok for that situation, in a merit pt the mob should be dead seconds after you get hate.

If it isn't a merit pt, and as long as you're doing something that isn't HNM (well if it was HNM you'd probably be dead by now any ways), then chances are you could use askar korazin and get better results.
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Well, yeah, that's a valid point. But he already has Enkidu's and didn't say he had Askar. I agree in merit you should go full bore DD, but there are times when a SAM wants to put on a more defensive set (read: evasion/parry set). Enkidu's is a decent compromise between Haub and SH if he doesn't want to go full-on EVA.
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#7 Dec 08 2009 at 11:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Mostly go with this DD wise, real in game I gotta keep my ass alive wise, I'd swap out for Enki body on that Seigan+ThirdEye macro to keep me from dancing with the dirt.


eh not sure why this guy got sub-defaulted, it's not a bad suggestion. When the mob is on you and the fight is not ending anytime soon it's generally a good idea to put a more defensive set on. SAM has great evasion and parry skill, so why not take advantage? I have a full EVA set for my SAM and I use it all the time, can tank DC-VT level stuff almost as well as a NIN.
Because it's WS gear, not TP gear.
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#8 Dec 09 2009 at 2:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Mostly go with this DD wise, real in game I gotta keep my ass alive wise, I'd swap out for Enki body on that Seigan+ThirdEye macro to keep me from dancing with the dirt.



eh not sure why this guy got sub-defaulted, it's not a bad suggestion.


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It took him until his 202nd post to post something half decent and/or not come across as a complete ass. People can't just forget his other 201 posts of nonsense that easily.

I suppose I could give him a green arrow, but i think i'll just hold off giving the red arrow on this occasion.



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#9 Dec 09 2009 at 4:30 AM Rating: Good
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Because it's WS gear, not TP gear.

That's not why.

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It took him until his 202nd post to post something half decen

It'd be interesting to give credit to good advices every once in a while, regardless of who said it. The advice there is not half decent, it's really good.

OP: as far as I'm aware, giving serious thoughts about DEX during WSs is an exclusive interest of THFs during SA WSs. Generally speaking, for WSs with lower attribute modifier, you'd end up just stacking STR anyway. Edit: or in the case of multi-hit WSs, ACC > ATT/STR

But you came across a choice between 2 body pieces with the same STR bonus and ask about multi-hit WSs, 2 of which do have DEX modifier in it, and on which you'd often worry about your accuracy a lot. So while you'd be stacking STR anyway, the extra DEX will indeed give minimal boost to DMG and ACC when wearing Hauby over Enkidu's.

So basically, I think Enkidu's is a defensive TPing piece (as noted by CBO and Bsphil), or maybe WS pieces for jobs that cannot wear Hauby or something else with similar / better accuracy (not going through the trouble of finding which would those be)

Edited, Dec 9th 2009 5:46am by sbrubles

Edited, Dec 9th 2009 5:53am by sbrubles
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Thank you for the replies ;) I do own an Askar body also xd I usually TP in Enkidu in LS events(sky/dyna/limbus) in case I pull hate(often^^) but when meriting, full DD :P
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The advice there is not half decent, it's really good.
Not really, aside from being completely off-topic and instigative, you're generally better off making the mob dead faster or holding back more. As far as "oh sh*t" macro pieces go (for when SETE is down, not every time you use it) Enkidu's is kind of half assing it anyways.
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Not really, aside from being completely off-topic and instigative, you're generally better off making the mob dead faster or holding back more

Well yeah, but that's only true for merit mobs or weaker. I'm not sure how long would a SAM last against a HNM with mild luck on TE, but the "oh sh*t" button does take a bit more importance. I've been off the game for a while, but as far as I've seen, there still aren't many body pieces with a set of stats that can be considered a lot better then Enkidu's when it comes to a DD playing defensively.

Edit: Erhmmm nvm, the "holding back more" kinda makes my post pointless

But as you said... it's off-topic and probably unimportant anyway

Edited, Dec 9th 2009 1:22pm by sbrubles
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Because it's WS gear, not TP gear.
That's not why.
Really? I'd love to hear your reasoning of how having defensive WS gear helps you more when you aren't wearing it. (As opposed to not wearing poorly defensive WS gear?? What if you have both sets of WS gear on you and aren't wearing either for TP??)
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#14 Dec 09 2009 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Thank you for the replies ;) I do own an Askar body also xd I usually TP in Enkidu in LS events(sky/dyna/limbus) in case I pull hate(often^^) but when meriting, full DD :P


If you have Askar body to begin with, then use it during non-outland dynamis (actually beucy might still work) for increased DoT and evasion because chances are you capped on acc (if you're gearing right any ways).

Farming triggers in sky should, from my parses, be done mostly in a Hauby. God fights should be strictly hauby (+1), and limbus is situational depending on the zone.

From my experience, also eatting sushi helps tremendously as a Sam in sky on god fights, because even with my usual acc gear + full great katana merits, I'm still barely breaking 70% acc. The sushi boost my WS rate by so much that by far it is blowing away my damage done while eatting meat. But this is all off topic lol.

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From my experience, also eatting sushi helps tremendously as a Sam in sky on god fights, because even with my usual acc gear + full great katana merits, I'm still barely breaking 70% acc. The sushi boost my WS rate by so much that by far it is blowing away my damage done while eatting meat. But this is all off topic lol.


Pizza is your friend.

2hander+sushi is really bad and completely unnecessary. The only time I would EVER suggest sushi is if you need the acc and you loose food a lot (colibri polearm for example) or if you die constantly on some HNM that you need more acc for making unstackable pizza rather not feasable.

The other 99% of monsters in the game can be better dealt with through meat or pizza. (insert cute things here) die every time a 2hander eats sushi.

If i can get by without sushi on lolThf, sams can EASILY do it for everything too. What with all that A+ skill, dex boost, hasso stuffs and all that thf doesnt have. (exceptions for me are using thf on tough stuff using /ra onry but thats because its a C+ skill, but never sushi+melee)

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#16 Dec 09 2009 at 10:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Um, I ate pizza and acc was still unacceptable.

Maybe you can do it cause you had Feint going? Quickstep? Madrigal? I don't know your situation. Do you parse? Cause if my acc isn't over 85% then I'm confident your Thfs isn't either.

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I never said I don't get by, because I can still put out the highest damage at the event. But I do get more damage out of more acc then the added atk from meat.

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Rana does his own sh*t. He's edgy and 3-hitty. He'll walk up to merit mobs and go, so what I don't have an attack bonus, I'm @#%^ing rana. I'm a black hole of awesome, absorbing all dimensions of win from all around me. That's right I @#%^ing open darkness for your gekko. Without me you'd be a @#%^ing nobody. You'd be blowing PUPs for party invites. Rana is the alpha and the omega, if by alpha and omega, you mean the first and third hits of rana.
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Maybe you can do it cause you had Feint going? Quickstep? Madrigal? I don't know your situation. Do you parse? Cause if my acc isn't over 85% then I'm confident your Thfs isn't either.

You're at 387.6 acc with that TP setup, which would put you at 85% on birds and 430acc with Pizza+1 which would cap your acc at mamool camp on all mams except nin/thf types, but youd still be within 85% acc on nins. Byakko haidates would give you that boost to hit almost 90%.

If you dont do Sky(haidates are worth it though tbh) than your other alternatives would be buying PPC, getting Usukane Sune Ate, or subbing /drg(which is ideal on GK, /war for polearm).


Most higher level mobs(not exp mobs) should be around the 450acc mark I would think. With pizza+1 you are already at 430, toss in hasso, thats 440.

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I already know what's better. And I'm referring to sky, certain dynamis, and certain limbus runs, not merits. What I'm saying is parsed accuracy is not at an acceptable level when doing sky gods. Sushi corrects this. Parsed accuracy is in the 70s without it, on lolgenbu. Obviously, it's worse on byakko, etc. Even yellow curry+1 can't make up the damage I gain from the massive accuracy boost I get from acc food.

EDIT: Perhaps I should clarify, it's probably the level difference that messes with acc so much. Hence, even with high accuracy native, it's still low on something like a god.

EDIT II: Or I could have the brd go from double march to mag/march. But that seems too fail when sushi fixes so much.

EDIT III: The final edit -_-. Just looked at saved parse from the other day, and with pizza I was at 79% acc. To me, that's not enough. I parsed a Byakko before with sushi, and I blew away usual damage during that run. The sheer amount of ws spam from the increased tp gain is just too good to lose.

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ifwe are arueing ohsh*t macro's this should be what your lookin for.

input /equip neck "Ritter Gorget";
input /equip back "Boxer's Mantle";
input /equip hands "Dst. Mittens +1";
input /equip legs "Gavial Cuisses +1";
input /equip feet "Gavial Greaves +1";
input /equip ring1 "Jelly Ring";
input /equip ring2 "Patronus Ring";
input /equip head "Arh. Jinpachi +1";
input /equip body "Arhat's Gi +1";
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Deboro wrote:
ifwe are arueing ohsh*t macro's this should be what your lookin for.

input /equip neck "Ritter Gorget";
input /equip back "Boxer's MantleShadow Mantle";
input /equip hands "Dst. Mittens +1";
input /equip legs "Gavial Cuisses +1";
input /equip feet "Gavial Greaves +1";
input /equip ring1 "Jelly Ring";
input /equip ring2 "Patronus RingDefending Ring";
input /equip head "Arh. Jinpachi +1";
input /equip body "Arhat's Gi +1";

Fixed

Edited, Dec 10th 2009 4:52am by Coyoteblackzero
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Because it's WS gear, not TP gear.

That's not why.

Really? I'd love to hear your reasoning of how having defensive WS gear helps you more when you aren't wearing it. (As opposed to not wearing poorly defensive WS gear?? What if you have both sets of WS gear on you and aren't wearing either for TP??)


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- eh not sure why this guy got sub-defaulted
- why not take advantage?

Mah bad thought you answered the 1st question, no the second (didn't notice the second). Forget I said anything...
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Coyoteblackzero wrote:
Deboro wrote:
ifwe are arueing ohsh*t macro's this should be what your lookin for.

input /equip neck "Ritter Gorget"; Evasion Torque
input /equip back "Boxer's MantleShadow Mantle";
input /equip hands "Dst. Mittens +1";
input /equip legs "Gavial Cuisses +1";Hydra Cuisses +1
input /equip feet "Gavial Greaves +1";Hydra Greaves +1
input /equip ring1 "Jelly Ring";
input /equip ring2 "Patronus RingDefending Ring";
input /equip R.ear "Melody Earring +1"
input /equip L.ear "Melody Earring +1"
input /equip waist "Scouter's Rope"
input /equip head "Arh. Jinpachi +1";
input /equip body "Arhat's Gi +1";

Fixed

FIXED

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- Not just yet.

If we're talking specifically SAM, I'd rather spend my DKP or Gilz on other sh*t.

Not sure why LS's would give Defending rings to SAM's, unless the point of the post; input gear was just to see what could be optimal (however unpractical).



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#24Coyoteblackzero, Posted: Dec 10 2009 at 1:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Level PLD~75, Obtain DR from months- maybe yearish of KB camping. When in Bind on SAM, hit "Oh time to tank Seigan+TE" macro on SAM with (/equip L/R.Ring "Defending Ring" <me>) I don't know any HNMLS that give DR to SAMs either, I guess if they've overstocked on them.
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