So I haven't done a polearm party yet, and I've got a really quick question about my builds. So the biggest question I have is about my penta acc. I have 372 acc in seigan and 382 in hasso. I'll post my gear after this if you wanna look and criticize but I want to know if using Diabolos' earring is better than using brutal. I'm not 100% on how DA works for multi hits. Wiki says it can proc on first 2 hits, but does that mean it can just proc once on either or can proc on both?
My gear is
TP
tomoe/pole/none/tiphia
askar/love/fowling/brutal
hauby+1/Hachiman/Ulthalam/rajas
amemet+1/swift/byakko/usukane
WS
tomoe/pole/none/tihpia
/O hat/love/fowling/brutal(or Diabolos)
Hauby+1/Myochin+1/ulthalam/rajas
amemet+1/life/byakko/usukane
I've got full store TP merits to make it 56 sTP for TP and 48(or 47) for WS making my 5 hit build.
Also I know I could work on rose strap to get rid of hachi hands and still keep my 5 hit on a 3 hit penta.
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Assuming you have 0 polearm merits, here's what I pull up on FFXI calculator with your WS setup vs. birds with Brutal on and using my SAM/WAR Elvaan's base DEX since I don't know what race you are:
No food:
Without Hasso: 77.7%
With Hasso: 82.7%
Crab Sushi:
Without Hasso: 95%
With Hasso: 95%
You're 13 acc over cap and 23 over with Hasso, so I'd use Brutal Earring and also consider switching Life Belt for Potent, O-Hat for Gnadbhod's Helm, Shura Kabuto, or Hissho Hachimaki, and maybe Myochin +1 for O Kote/B Kote (at least I think 20/22 attack does more for Penta than 7STR/7DEX anyway at capped accuracy, might be wrong).
Edited, Dec 5th 2009 1:36am by Dudester
No food:
Without Hasso: 77.7%
With Hasso: 82.7%
Crab Sushi:
Without Hasso: 95%
With Hasso: 95%
You're 13 acc over cap and 23 over with Hasso, so I'd use Brutal Earring and also consider switching Life Belt for Potent, O-Hat for Gnadbhod's Helm, Shura Kabuto, or Hissho Hachimaki, and maybe Myochin +1 for O Kote/B Kote (at least I think 20/22 attack does more for Penta than 7STR/7DEX anyway at capped accuracy, might be wrong).
Edited, Dec 5th 2009 1:36am by Dudester
Watusa of Lakshmi
svlyons wrote:
Same sorta thing with Watusa. I saw him fishing on the ferry one time. It felt like a hollywood celebrity sighting.
1) eat crab sushi (important), swap gear for more atk/str on WS and more haste during tp
2) max 8 "swings" per WS, 2 hit/first two hit assertions were based on tests with poor sample size and thus are untrustworthy, people have reported 3-4 DAs but lack of SS/possible tp complications leaves them untrustworthy, in any case the odds of getting more than 2 DAs is very small (which is why it's soo hard to test) and 5% DA beats the hell out of 3acc, especially since you will have excess acc with sushi.
3) I would keep pole and get rid of hachi hands for more haste. The odds of missing 2+ additional hits on a penta w/ capped acc is not very high (~1.4%, for a ~.35% gain overall), you'll get more benefit from swinging faster on avg.
You're right
Edited, Dec 5th 2009 2:29am by shintasama
2) max 8 "swings" per WS, 2 hit/first two hit assertions were based on tests with poor sample size and thus are untrustworthy, people have reported 3-4 DAs but lack of SS/possible tp complications leaves them untrustworthy, in any case the odds of getting more than 2 DAs is very small (which is why it's soo hard to test) and 5% DA beats the hell out of 3acc, especially since you will have excess acc with sushi.
3) I would keep pole and get rid of hachi hands for more haste. The odds of missing 2+ additional hits on a penta w/ capped acc is not very high (~1.4%, for a ~.35% gain overall), you'll get more benefit from swinging faster on avg.
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maybe Myochin +1 for O Kote/B Kote (at least I think 20/22 attack does more for Penta than 7STR/7DEX anyway at capped accuracy, might be wrong).
Edited, Dec 5th 2009 2:29am by shintasama
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you can DA on either or both of the first 2 hits of a multi-hit WS. armando proved this on ffxionline by taking a large sample of WSs, projecting the probability of 1 hit, 2 hit, 3 hit, 4 hit, etc, and then matching up his actual distribution of 1 hit, 2 hit, etc with the expected results. the lack of a single screenshot showing a 3 DA WS given the amount of penta thrusts that have been done in ffxi's lifetime is further proof.
that said, fulltime brutal. 5% DA is like 10~ ACC for TP and slightly less for WS. diabolos won't come close regardless of your ACC.
that said, fulltime brutal. 5% DA is like 10~ ACC for TP and slightly less for WS. diabolos won't come close regardless of your ACC.
So there's nothing I can do besides eat sushi? I was thinking of adding 6 polearm merits to try to be able to eat meat, but if that won't help I probably won't do them.
this one Milich? Sample sizes seem low for the claims they're trying to make, and there is the strong possibility of cumulative estimation error due to the "10/1028" issue we see with haste. I'll look at it more later.
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You "could" switch to ohat/life/cuch/merits/outside buffs/etcetc, but the best bet is to eat sushi. If you have merit points to burn 6 more polearm might not be a bad idea in any case, +12atk plus possibly more gear you can switch out is still pretty good.
Edited, Dec 5th 2009 1:37pm by shintasama
armado wrote:
Like I stated earlier, Fast Blade has an 18% chance of a single DA. Theoretically that would mean 36 of the 200 Fast Blades should've DA'd. Only 85.74% of those will land all their hits, so we should've seen ~30.87 of them land. That's pretty close to the 31 I got. That proves that each hit gets its own individual chance at DA, and the 9 TP, 322 damage Fast Blade is proof that the game allows multiple DAs within the same WS. I only got a single 4 hit Fast Blade, but that's to be expected, since the odds it occurring are only .8145% with accuracy factored in.
Klaire wrote:
So there's nothing I can do besides eat sushi? I was thinking of adding 6 polearm merits to try to be able to eat meat, but if that won't help I probably won't do them.
Edited, Dec 5th 2009 1:37pm by shintasama
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I don't believe in good guys versus bad guys anymore… I only see a plethora of states acting in self interest… with varying ethics and moral standards of course, but self-interest nonetheless
Winston Churchill wrote:
Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things
starting from p4 he does vorpal blade testing (with additional data from someone doing rampage) and gets the 1st 2 hits result. in the tests, if every hit got its own check, there would be a 30%~ chance of seeing a WS with a single DA, but only 14%~ chance if only the first 2 swings get checked. the data ended up around 13%~ single DAs.
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