I really like waltz-5tp cost thing and probably i put haste too on for a perfect /dnc piece since i do that ALOT. Conserve tp looks good but gonna wait feedback first.
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#2Coyoteblackzero,
Posted: Oct 29 2009 at 4:15 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) MMMm i bust a nut the size of a tuna fish when i saw these
For SAMs, movement speed. Unless you don't have/won't for some reason be getting BH or Usu.
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Maybe I've been out of the loop for so long that I'm unaware of the other options....but it seems like the initial buzz on the "Weaponskill Damage +5%" isn't very high. I would have thought that would be one of the big weaponskill swap augment choices. In general, +5 STR is your standard for that slot, which is pretty much the same standard for the headpiece. (Yeah, I know Hachiryu has +10, but seriously, I've seen lots more relics than I have copies of those pants floating around...I wouldn't exactly call them standard endgame gear).
People seemed to agree on the moogle expansion helm that Weaponskill damage+2% and +4 STR was the SAM GK WS swap augments of choice (even moreso than the +6 STR possible).
Since I never do the math of this stuff, it makes me wonder:
Would +5 STR in the leg slot be better than +2 STR and +5% WS damage?
People seemed to agree that +4 STR and +2% WS damage was better than +5 STR for the head WS swap during the last mini exp. (and better than +6 STR for that matter).
People seemed to agree on the moogle expansion helm that Weaponskill damage+2% and +4 STR was the SAM GK WS swap augments of choice (even moreso than the +6 STR possible).
Since I never do the math of this stuff, it makes me wonder:
Would +5 STR in the leg slot be better than +2 STR and +5% WS damage?
People seemed to agree that +4 STR and +2% WS damage was better than +5 STR for the head WS swap during the last mini exp. (and better than +6 STR for that matter).
Read it again. It's not +5% WS damage. It's +5% skillchain damage. And since skillchains are (essentially) a dead art that get partial resists more often than not on things that matter (or even VT colibri -.-), you're not likely to see many of this augment floating around.
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This is when bsphil wanders in to wonder what the f*ck you people have done.
oh, definitely misread that. That makes a BIG difference then (unless you are skillchaining on EVERY WS you do, which like you said....isn't going to happen).
#7TheHolyDragoonSeraphus,
Posted: Oct 29 2009 at 8:10 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Conserve TP+5???
ehhh, depending on how "conserve tp" works I'm probably just going to make this a macro/specialty piece with +movement and -waltz cost
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Conserve TP will prolly just be a chance to reduce TP spent on dnc and /dnc, but would indeed be neat if it worked on sam. Haidate + 5 str pants is pretty much all a sam needs so unless you're getting place holder pants or MS pants, prolly just go for another job. Like homam with double the accuracy.
80 Pup Brd, 75 War Rdm Drg Sam Mnk Pld Bst Thf Whm Nin Smn Blm Rng, 72 Drk, 63 Cor, 50 Blu, 40 Dnc Sch
For those who can't view the site at work, I posted a screenshot of the augments right here. They're kinda useless for a SAM with BH/Usukane as others have said but then we SAM aren't really hurting for good Leg slot options at 75.
edit: I'm a bit disappointed to see no +STR options available but then with AF, Fourth Schoss, Shura, and Hachiryu (and 10 mil...) I guess they're not really needed.
On the whole, the available augments are rather "meh" for SAM offering a lot of sidegrades and little else. I may grab the +8% Movement Speed and some other random augment (Siphon +20 for SAM/SMN, {yes please}!) since there's nothing else on the market for SAM that offers increased movement speed but otherwise... *yawn*
As underwhelmed as I am with the prospect of these pants, it's nice to see less popular jobs (COR, PUP, BST, SMN, etc.) getting rather unique boosts with these items.
Edited, Oct 29th 2009 11:45am by Beltenebros
edit: I'm a bit disappointed to see no +STR options available but then with AF, Fourth Schoss, Shura, and Hachiryu (and 10 mil...) I guess they're not really needed.
On the whole, the available augments are rather "meh" for SAM offering a lot of sidegrades and little else. I may grab the +8% Movement Speed and some other random augment (Siphon +20 for SAM/SMN, {yes please}!) since there's nothing else on the market for SAM that offers increased movement speed but otherwise... *yawn*
As underwhelmed as I am with the prospect of these pants, it's nice to see less popular jobs (COR, PUP, BST, SMN, etc.) getting rather unique boosts with these items.
Edited, Oct 29th 2009 11:45am by Beltenebros
#11Coyoteblackzero,
Posted: Oct 29 2009 at 10:21 AM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) hmm, kinda funny how i get rated down everytime a special person pops on the scene. ^^ I have fans lol
Thinking to switch on rdm pants, +movement speed and who knows -.-
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hmm, kinda funny how i get rated down everytime a special person pops on the scene. ^^ I have fans lol
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Like homam with double the accuracy.
Edited, Oct 29th 2009 5:40pm by shintasama
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Personally I picked the movement speed (yay) and the physical damage reduction so I can start building an "oh shi-" set.
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"So now that you're level 50 you gain TP when you breathe now right?"
Requim wrote:
Conserve TP will prolly just be a chance to reduce TP spent on dnc and /dnc, but would indeed be neat if it worked on sam. Haidate + 5 str pants is pretty much all a sam needs so unless you're getting place holder pants or MS pants, prolly just go for another job. Like homam with double the accuracy.
hachiryu > ASA w/ conserve tp/DA > Shura(+1)/AF+1 etc.
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I don't believe in good guys versus bad guys anymore… I only see a plethora of states acting in self interest… with varying ethics and moral standards of course, but self-interest nonetheless
Winston Churchill wrote:
Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things
forget WS pants, forget TP pants, forget lolconserveTP (also, seraphus is a moron).
so you're left with movement speed and waltz stuff. if i were upgrading for SAM only, it would be an easy choice of -waltz TP and +movement speed, or +movement speed and -phys damage if i never used /DNC.
so you're left with movement speed and waltz stuff. if i were upgrading for SAM only, it would be an easy choice of -waltz TP and +movement speed, or +movement speed and -phys damage if i never used /DNC.
milich wrote:
forget WS pants, forget TP pants, forget lolconserveTP (also, seraphus is a moron).
so you're left with movement speed and waltz stuff. if i were upgrading for SAM only, it would be an easy choice of -waltz TP and +movement speed, or +movement speed and -phys damage if i never used /DNC.
so you're left with movement speed and waltz stuff. if i were upgrading for SAM only, it would be an easy choice of -waltz TP and +movement speed, or +movement speed and -phys damage if i never used /DNC.
Edited, Nov 23rd 2009 4:20pm by shintasama
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I don't believe in good guys versus bad guys anymore… I only see a plethora of states acting in self interest… with varying ethics and moral standards of course, but self-interest nonetheless
Winston Churchill wrote:
Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things
shintasama wrote:
milich wrote:
forget WS pants, forget TP pants, forget lolconserveTP (also, seraphus is a moron).
so you're left with movement speed and waltz stuff. if i were upgrading for SAM only, it would be an easy choice of -waltz TP and +movement speed, or +movement speed and -phys damage if i never used /DNC.
so you're left with movement speed and waltz stuff. if i were upgrading for SAM only, it would be an easy choice of -waltz TP and +movement speed, or +movement speed and -phys damage if i never used /DNC.
Edited, Nov 23rd 2009 4:20pm by shintasama
2% DA would be about 1% WS damage, and 1 less hit to 100%TP 5% of the time is .25*.05 = 1.25% higher WS frequency. 5STR is 3 or 4 base damage, so the difference is below 1%. or, unique movement speed and/or -waltz cost... i can't see how the former could be advised.
There is 2 STR on it too, so given 2%DA is only slightly worse than 3STR and you end up ~1% better overall, it's like a KO vs Hachi better dmg wise. It really just comes down to what you use your SAM for I think. If you just park your SAM outside w/e event, use it to zerg w/e, and then change back to something else (like I do with DRK) I can see it being appealing.
Edited, Nov 24th 2009 11:28am by shintasama
Edited, Nov 24th 2009 11:28am by shintasama
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I don't believe in good guys versus bad guys anymore… I only see a plethora of states acting in self interest… with varying ethics and moral standards of course, but self-interest nonetheless
Winston Churchill wrote:
Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things
shintasama wrote:
There is 2 STR on it too, so given 2%DA is only slightly better than 3STR and you end up ~1% better overall, it's like a KO vs Hachi better dmg wise. It really just comes down to what you use your SAM for I think. If you just park your SAM outside w/e event, use it to zerg w/e, and then change back to something else (like I do with DRK) I can see it being appealing.
if that's all you use your SAM for, you probably should augment the pants for something else;;;.
So would... [STR+2 cTP+5 DA+2] be an upgrade for WS in over Shura+1's [6STR]?
I'm thinking it actually would be an upgrade. Also, while you get to start 1 hit less 5% of the time, that 5% of the time you'll also be hitting your next ws 1.25% harder due to the extra 3-4% tp you'll have.
I'm thinking it actually would be an upgrade. Also, while you get to start 1 hit less 5% of the time, that 5% of the time you'll also be hitting your next ws 1.25% harder due to the extra 3-4% tp you'll have.
Taking a break.
Sandmasterr wrote:
So would... [STR+2 cTP+5 DA+2] be an upgrade for WS in over Shura+1's [6STR]?
I'm thinking it actually would be an upgrade. Also, while you get to start 1 hit less 5% of the time, that 5% of the time you'll also be hitting your next ws 1.25% harder due to the extra 3-4% tp you'll have.
I'm thinking it actually would be an upgrade. Also, while you get to start 1 hit less 5% of the time, that 5% of the time you'll also be hitting your next ws 1.25% harder due to the extra 3-4% tp you'll have.
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I don't believe in good guys versus bad guys anymore… I only see a plethora of states acting in self interest… with varying ethics and moral standards of course, but self-interest nonetheless
Winston Churchill wrote:
Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things
if you would blow the chance for some unique DNC-related augments or the 1 +movement speed item in the game for SAM on a 1% upgrade, you have no excuse in the first place not to buy hachiryu or get it with an ls. i just can't see the room for such a tiny and strange upgrade from shura/myochin(+1)/etc.
True, but the movement means nothing to me, if I want to get around, i'll run on MNK.
The sole purpose I use SAM for is to deal extensive amounts of DMG. In any case, I don't feel like spending £10 and spending a few hours of boredom on increasing my SAM's DMG by ~1% so the point is moot right now.
If I was to advise other SAM's, I'd probably recommend the -5TP Waltz/8% speed increase piece, although my own personal problem with that, is that when I'm /DNC on SAM, I find I'm never short of TP, its the Waltz recast time that limits me. I'd have much preferred something like 'Waltz recast -1' or something along those lines.
On MNK, I have the opposite problem, and often find I'm low on TP especially after a WS, so the Waltz cost -5 would probably be more suited for my MNK.
The sole purpose I use SAM for is to deal extensive amounts of DMG. In any case, I don't feel like spending £10 and spending a few hours of boredom on increasing my SAM's DMG by ~1% so the point is moot right now.
If I was to advise other SAM's, I'd probably recommend the -5TP Waltz/8% speed increase piece, although my own personal problem with that, is that when I'm /DNC on SAM, I find I'm never short of TP, its the Waltz recast time that limits me. I'd have much preferred something like 'Waltz recast -1' or something along those lines.
On MNK, I have the opposite problem, and often find I'm low on TP especially after a WS, so the Waltz cost -5 would probably be more suited for my MNK.
Taking a break.
I'm not going to spend the 10 bucks on this one.
I have a question, since we're talking about legs slot here.
Would you think it's better to WS in 14STR 14DEX or 11STR 6ACC 2%DA? I mean, we probably can ignore the DEX/ACC, so it really comes down to 3STR vs 2%DA. Right now I'm using the STR setup.
I have a question, since we're talking about legs slot here.
Would you think it's better to WS in 14STR 14DEX or 11STR 6ACC 2%DA? I mean, we probably can ignore the DEX/ACC, so it really comes down to 3STR vs 2%DA. Right now I'm using the STR setup.
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