Wich augm?Follow

Maybe I've been out of the loop for so long that I'm unaware of the other options....but it seems like the initial buzz on the "Weaponskill Damage +5%" isn't very high. I would have thought that would be one of the big weaponskill swap augment choices. In general, +5 STR is your standard for that slot, which is pretty much the same standard for the headpiece. (Yeah, I know Hachiryu has +10, but seriously, I've seen lots more relics than I have copies of those pants floating around...I wouldn't exactly call them standard endgame gear).

People seemed to agree on the moogle expansion helm that Weaponskill damage+2% and +4 STR was the SAM GK WS swap augments of choice (even moreso than the +6 STR possible).

Since I never do the math of this stuff, it makes me wonder:

Would +5 STR in the leg slot be better than +2 STR and +5% WS damage?

People seemed to agree that +4 STR and +2% WS damage was better than +5 STR for the head WS swap during the last mini exp. (and better than +6 STR for that matter).

oh, definitely misread that. That makes a BIG difference then (unless you are skillchaining on EVERY WS you do, which like you said....isn't going to happen).

ehhh, depending on how "conserve tp" works I'm probably just going to make this a macro/specialty piece with +movement and -waltz cost

For those who can't view the site at work, I posted a screenshot of the augments right here. They're kinda useless for a SAM with BH/Usukane as others have said but then we SAM aren't really hurting for good Leg slot options at 75.

edit: I'm a bit disappointed to see no +STR options available but then with AF, Fourth Schoss, Shura, and Hachiryu (and 10 mil...) I guess they're not really needed.

On the whole, the available augments are rather "meh" for SAM offering a lot of sidegrades and little else. I may grab the +8% Movement Speed and some other random augment (Siphon +20 for SAM/SMN, {yes please}!) since there's nothing else on the market for SAM that offers increased movement speed but otherwise... *yawn*

As underwhelmed as I am with the prospect of these pants, it's nice to see less popular jobs (COR, PUP, BST, SMN, etc.) getting rather unique boosts with these items.

Edited, Oct 29th 2009 11:45am by Beltenebros

Thinking to switch on rdm pants, +movement speed and who knows -.-

Since this was already bumped, initial testing on lolgrainofsaltwiki was that conserve tp is ~5% chance of your WS only using 80%tp instead of 100% (~1.25% increase in dmg output, oddly enough a BG tester didn't see a difference in waltz cost), so from a dmg perspective your best bet is for legs is:

hachiryu > ASA w/ conserve tp/DA > Shura(+1)/AF+1 etc.

seraphus being a moron aside: why? 1 less hit to WS 5% of the time isn't a massive bonus, but neither is 3-4STR after you factor in 2% DA. I like my sTP (AF+1) and don't have +movement from anything else (on any 75 job), and do most of my running around on SAM, so I'd probably go waltz/movement too, but cTP and DA isn't a horrible choice if you want to eek a tiny bit more dmg out.

Edited, Nov 23rd 2009 4:20pm by shintasama

There is 2 STR on it too, so given 2%DA is only slightly worse than 3STR and you end up ~1% better overall, it's like a KO vs Hachi better dmg wise. It really just comes down to what you use your SAM for I think. If you just park your SAM outside w/e event, use it to zerg w/e, and then change back to something else (like I do with DRK) I can see it being appealing.

Edited, Nov 24th 2009 11:28am by shintasama

So would... [STR+2 cTP+5 DA+2] be an upgrade for WS in over Shura+1's [6STR]?

I'm thinking it actually would be an upgrade. Also, while you get to start 1 hit less 5% of the time, that 5% of the time you'll also be hitting your next ws 1.25% harder due to the extra 3-4% tp you'll have.

if you would blow the chance for some unique DNC-related augments or the 1 +movement speed item in the game for SAM on a 1% upgrade, you have no excuse in the first place not to buy hachiryu or get it with an ls. i just can't see the room for such a tiny and strange upgrade from shura/myochin(+1)/etc.

I'm not going to spend the 10 bucks on this one.

I have a question, since we're talking about legs slot here.

Would you think it's better to WS in 14STR 14DEX or 11STR 6ACC 2%DA? I mean, we probably can ignore the DEX/ACC, so it really comes down to 3STR vs 2%DA. Right now I'm using the STR setup.

generally, for YGK, 1% DA ~= 2-3STR.

Except for the times you're on SAM...

presumably, that doesn't matter, because the same acc penalty will afect the initial hit too, and you don't need the initial hit to land to perform a DA.

When I said 2-3, the 3 was in small print meaning 1%DA is about as valuable as 2STR. I shouldn't have even included the 3, was just a silly moment, as that would make askar better than osode for ws (when comparing the STR & DA stats on the 2 pieces only), and you and i (at some point) have provided math showing Osodes superiority over Askar.


Speaking about SAM in general, with recent research into Zanshin, and the fact the att is doubled for Gekko means these are evolving times for Samurai's.






I have a quick Q anyway - the Champion's Galea from AMK with the STR+4 WSACC+15 AGL+4 WS DMG+2% setup, does anyone know if....

When Overwhelm is active, does it add on like an additional stage, so we get 21% increase, or does it increase the dmg as an extra part of the equation, so the end of SAM's WS dmg would be ' *1.19 *1.02 '?

As its always active, whereas overwhelm isn't i'm obviously hoping its the latter.

I don't get how sandmaster read it any other way?
W/ Hagun+Gorget 2 STR = ~1WSC* (avg ~1.27) > 1% DA too(~.571% for 1WSC ~.708%avg vs ~.506%, before you take into account possibly lower DA acc/pDIF/etc), so I don't know what you're getting at, the answer to the poster's question remains: 3STR >= 2% DA .

I would assume it's seperate, in the end it doesn't matter than much though, it's still the best GK WS helm regardless

*1 or greater ~90% of the time

Edited, Dec 1st 2009 11:39am by shintasama

Definitely haste+3% ACC+7. They are the best leg armor you can equip outside of byakko's by a mile. They will be a great asset to your overall performance in events and in meripo's and a super piece to hold you over until Byakko's (which is an additional haste+2 ACC+4 - so don't forget about them just because you get those pants).

When you do eventually get byakko's, it'll mean you can chuck those ASA legs, and re-do the boss for a new pair of legs (you can then go for the near ultimate WS legs OR the /DNC speed choice)