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What are your thoughts on SAM/RNG with soboroFollow

#1 Jun 23 2009 at 11:15 AM Rating: Default
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If this isnt good. What are some other good subs?
#2 Jun 23 2009 at 11:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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/DRG and /WAR. those are my thoughts.
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#3 Jun 23 2009 at 12:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Not worth it.
#4 Jun 23 2009 at 1:38 PM Rating: Good
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/DRG with soboro
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#5 Jun 23 2009 at 2:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Go level RNG if you want to be ranged attacker so much.
It's a cool job to have.
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#6 Jun 23 2009 at 3:20 PM Rating: Decent
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SAM/RNG is only really viable on piercing weak monsters with low defense / evasion (G.Colibri). But then... it would be so much easier to use a Polearm build.

Is SAM/RNG possible.... yeah
Is it worth your time ... probably not.
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#7 Jun 23 2009 at 4:06 PM Rating: Good
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SAM/RNG is the love of my life.

Is it expensive, yes.
Is it hard to play, yes.
Does it take some good gear and merits, yes.
Does it devastate birds, yes.
Is it as safe as /drg, no.

Do you get invites, no.
If you switched to /nin would you, yes. =P

i have a 74RNG so it was natural for me to pick it up as they share so much equipment and my Archery has been merited.

i love to play it, i go /rng or /drg to just about anything i can...thats what this game is about, having fun. landing a Sidewinder for 1k, and even as short as 2 attack rounds with a Soboro i fire off another 1k....i dunno, it makes me smile. don't get me wrong, it does have it's place, and it's not an end-all sub, just one of the most fun.

#8 Jun 23 2009 at 4:57 PM Rating: Default
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In before "Polearm...if you have the right gear/merits/secondcomingofjesus"

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A personal funny...sorry
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#9 Jun 23 2009 at 6:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Polearm if you have the right gear/merits/secondcomingofjesus
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#10 Jun 23 2009 at 7:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Polearm if you have the right gear/merits/secondcomingofjesus


I think I <3 you...lmao.
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Rana does his own sh*t. He's edgy and 3-hitty. He'll walk up to merit mobs and go, so what I don't have an attack bonus, I'm @#%^ing rana. I'm a black hole of awesome, absorbing all dimensions of win from all around me. That's right I @#%^ing open darkness for your gekko. Without me you'd be a @#%^ing nobody. You'd be blowing PUPs for party invites. Rana is the alpha and the omega, if by alpha and omega, you mean the first and third hits of rana.
#11 Jun 24 2009 at 7:16 AM Rating: Good
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SAM/DRG + Hagun @25% Haste with Brd+Dnc support.
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#13 Jun 24 2009 at 8:57 AM Rating: Decent
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I like SAM/RNG alot. It takes a specialized set of gear to be effective. It is fun and when using a Soboro Sidewinder >>> Y/G/K.
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#15 Jun 24 2009 at 12:35 PM Rating: Decent
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I think what he's getting at is, the subjob isn't the best (minmaxing), but it still gets the job done and is fun.

If you aren't worried about optimizing damage, then I guess there's no harm in it if the party is cool with it.
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Rana does his own sh*t. He's edgy and 3-hitty. He'll walk up to merit mobs and go, so what I don't have an attack bonus, I'm @#%^ing rana. I'm a black hole of awesome, absorbing all dimensions of win from all around me. That's right I @#%^ing open darkness for your gekko. Without me you'd be a @#%^ing nobody. You'd be blowing PUPs for party invites. Rana is the alpha and the omega, if by alpha and omega, you mean the first and third hits of rana.
#16 Jun 24 2009 at 2:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Without optimum gear and full archery merits (pre 70+ where a lot of wsacc/racc gear is available), you'll be whiffing a lot more than you realise, even with sushi AND Hunter's Prelude. Further, the more times you back away to get within that ratk "sweet spot", the less hits you'll land and hence less WS you end up firing off.

By all means, get someone to parse you against another sam/war or sam/drg and you will see why nobody is really encouraging you to use SAM/RNG generally.
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#17 Jun 24 2009 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
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the one downside to Sidewinder is that it stacks with just about nothing for SC's.

also, forget sooshi....pot-au-feu is where its at. mmm rabbit stew.
#18 Jun 24 2009 at 10:00 PM Rating: Decent
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oh. also this is situational...but...

had a party rdm/brd/cor/dnc/sam/sam

was hitting a 1500+ Sidewinderz ever few seconds, it was stupidity. Of course this was on birds. If you're a SAM, get ALL the subs, you'll thank us later, for yourself and your LS or pt. forget the sweetspot, honestly if you're using Sobo + all the rng gear for WS it doesn't matter.


Edited, Jun 25th 2009 2:19am by Aerias
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#19 Jun 24 2009 at 10:42 PM Rating: Good
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SAM/RNG was some fun back in the day. I remember obliterating my first colibri and loving it lol. Hate control was a major issue tho. 2H update and polearm have kinda killed its usefulness but you could have some fun solo with it.

And while SAM/RNG is actually nice on the ACP final fight and stuff like COP 6-4 and maybe even some of the T10 assaults.... obviously you wouldn' be using Soboro on those situations. You'd be using Vulcan's Staff and be /rng strictly to stay out of AOE range.
#20 Jun 25 2009 at 12:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Aerias wrote:
had a party rdm/brd/cor/dnc/sam/sam


You have in many ppl's eye's the ultimate meripo setup, and you go SAM/RNG :/

You could have done amazing things in that pty, with that exact setup.
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#22 Jun 25 2009 at 9:15 AM Rating: Default
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Lets have some fun this beat is sick , i wanna take a ride on yo disco stick ;0
#23 Jun 25 2009 at 9:40 AM Rating: Good
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rdmceypher wrote:
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You have in many ppl's eye's the ultimate meripo setup, and you go SAM/RNG :/

You could have done amazing things in that pty, with that exact setup.



COR or BRD helps a SAM/RNG alot more than a SAM/WAR or SAM/DRG with GKT. Y/G/K being one hit WS's don't get as much benifit from the buffs as a job unsing multihit WS's or Sidewinder does. About the only think I could see beating a well geared SAM/RNG in that party would be a SAM/WAR with a a polearm. 1500+ sidewinders sound a **** of a lot better than 300-500 Y/G/K with a soboro.


it's called haste. the DNC has haste samba. the RDM has haste. you have hasso and haste gear. you are wrong.

edit: p.s. see that thread with that dumb COR a few weeks ago for "1500 sidewinders > 500 y/g/k with soboro"; the one where i say s/he is a fucking idiot for still having 2004 lolbignumber syndrome 5 years later.

don't post here. no one cares what "you see" outparsing what, because you don't know anything. go shame yourself on the RDM forum or the COR or BRD forum or wherever i last saw you.

(i know this seems like an unprovoked attack to the casual reader, but i'm incorporating knowledge that rdmceypher is a drooling idiot that i got from this thread; he's probably going to reply by making fun of my mother or something)

Edited, Jun 25th 2009 1:47pm by milich
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#24 Jun 25 2009 at 11:10 AM Rating: Good
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rdmceypher wrote:
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You have in many ppl's eye's the ultimate meripo setup, and you go SAM/RNG :/

You could have done amazing things in that pty, with that exact setup.



COR or BRD helps a SAM/RNG alot more than a SAM/WAR or SAM/DRG with GKT. Y/G/K being one hit WS's don't get as much benifit from the buffs as a job unsing multihit WS's or Sidewinder does. About the only think I could see beating a well geared SAM/RNG in that party would be a SAM/WAR with a a polearm. 1500+ sidewinders sound a **** of a lot better than 300-500 Y/G/K with a soboro.
Except with the same amount of effort you'd be doing ~3x as many soboro YGK for ~600+ with 95% acc. If you move to shoot you miss multiple swings at that haste level. If you don't move you loose ~30% of your ratk. If you ask for non-haste buffs from BRD you drastically loose WS and DoT (you also better hope that DNC is holding hate or the bird will be all over). /RNG always gets screwed in the end compared to other weapons. Big sidewinder numbers always look pretty, but with that setup you'd be much better putting the effort into a good polearm build.

Really though, my favorite grouping is: RDM/SCH BRD/NIN COR/RNG SAM/DRG DRK/SAM DRG/SAM 2xmarch, Chaos+Samurai roll

Edited, Jun 25th 2009 3:12pm by shintasama
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#25 Jun 25 2009 at 10:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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A lot of people may outright dismiss this subjob for samurai, but in certain circumstances it can be incredibly useful. I feel very fortunate for leveling ranger subjob and archery, for it has come out as being really handy in special boss fights in the game (personally I know it really helped rip apart U/O for CoP, and it can be preferred for the final ACP fight as well).

If samurai is your main job and you would like to make it more versatile I'd personally recommend leveling it up. You may not use it for normal endgame events or parties, but it can come in useful for certain things and you may enjoy it as well for playing in campaign or besieged. It's really up to you though.
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