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#1 Jun 14 2009 at 6:59 PM Rating: Good
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Simple questions. Are the lvl 39 Fuma replacable? I know there's about Sarutobi Kyahan and I've been camping it on and off for six months with no luck. Is there another feet piece that is good and not just def? Got lucky and got the R/E kote.

Currently lvl 37 and planning to gear up to 75.

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#2 Jun 14 2009 at 7:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Not really as far as TP gear goes until hachiman for 6-hit, then usukane after that. Technically, Fuma Sune-Ate at 72 will replace your 39 fumas by being cheaper.

Edited, Jun 14th 2009 10:16pm by bsphil
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#3 Jun 14 2009 at 7:54 PM Rating: Good
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Federation Kyahan are a decent alternative.
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#4 Jun 14 2009 at 8:25 PM Rating: Good
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if you mean "is there anything as good for the foot slot before usukane?" the answer is "no". if you mean "how much better are fumas than competitors?" the answer is "probably somewhere between 2%-4% depending on your level." if you mean, "is it okay if i wear something else?" the answer is decide for yourself.
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Pahn wrote:
if you mean "is there anything as good for the foot slot before usukane?" the answer is "no". if you mean "how much better are fumas than competitors?" the answer is "probably somewhere between 2%-4% depending on your level." if you mean, "is it okay if i wear something else?" the answer is decide for yourself.


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Federation Kyahan are a decent alternative.


I'd definately use the att+4 until lvl50. 3% Haste is pretty minimal w/o any other, at least you get swifty @ 50
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#6 Jun 16 2009 at 12:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sandmasterr wrote:
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if you mean "is there anything as good for the foot slot before usukane?" the answer is "no". if you mean "how much better are fumas than competitors?" the answer is "probably somewhere between 2%-4% depending on your level." if you mean, "is it okay if i wear something else?" the answer is decide for yourself.


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Federation Kyahan are a decent alternative.


I'd definately use the att+4 until lvl50. 3% Haste is pretty minimal w/o any other, at least you get swifty @ 50
3% haste is bare minimum ~3.1% DoT, and I highly doubt you'll be able to beat that with attack+4 at 39. If you can, your attack is utter dogshit and you need serious help.
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#7 Jun 16 2009 at 3:06 AM Rating: Good
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Like people have said, the Sarutobi Fumas are your best option at that level and for a long time. However, if you're after easier to obtain gear, there are a few options: some RSE feet might be worth a look, Bastokan/Republic Greaves can add accuracy dependent on nation control, the forementioned Kyahan line and (doubtful) depending on whether or not you're trying for Usukane feet, Hikazu Sune-Ate offer some good bonuses on them for the level.
But yeah, the Sarutobi are going to be the best things you can wear for a while. If you're going to concentrate on levelling sam for a while, I would personally take the hit and buy the AH version, by the time you've finished camping and got the drop, you could be near the point of selling them back because you're high enough to buy the higher level Fumas/Hachiman w/e.

Edit: Didn't differentiate between low and high-level fumas, might have been confusing.

Edited, Jun 16th 2009 7:08am by MBSE
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#8 Jun 16 2009 at 8:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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bsphil wrote:
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Pahn wrote:
if you mean "is there anything as good for the foot slot before usukane?" the answer is "no". if you mean "how much better are fumas than competitors?" the answer is "probably somewhere between 2%-4% depending on your level." if you mean, "is it okay if i wear something else?" the answer is decide for yourself.


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Federation Kyahan are a decent alternative.


I'd definately use the att+4 until lvl50. 3% Haste is pretty minimal w/o any other, at least you get swifty @ 50
3% haste is bare minimum ~3.1% DoT, and I highly doubt you'll be able to beat that with attack+4 at 39. If you can, your attack is utter dogshit and you need serious help.
mmmm I love it when people beat me to what I was going to post.

There is no "haste isn't worth wearing until you get X much", Haste is worth wearing at any level and any amount if it's the biggest DoT increase you can get in that slot (which it is until way later). Not to mention you have Hasso by that point and WHM gets the haste spell 1 level later.
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#10Deboro, Posted: Jun 16 2009 at 10:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) And because in a lvl 40 PT you have a WHM keeping a haste rotation.. Oh wait you dont.
#11 Jun 16 2009 at 10:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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But for the gil, and while leveling at low levels, does it really matter? No it doesnt.
It's the best foot gear you can get until 72 (when you get the cheaper version w/ same relevant stats), not some minor upgrade you'd only wear for a couple levels. It's worth the cost IMO (as is Okote), especially since you can sell it when better stuff comes along.
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bsphil wrote:
Sandmasterr wrote:
Pahn wrote:
if you mean "is there anything as good for the foot slot before usukane?" the answer is "no". if you mean "how much better are fumas than competitors?" the answer is "probably somewhere between 2%-4% depending on your level." if you mean, "is it okay if i wear something else?" the answer is decide for yourself.


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Cyth wrote:

Federation Kyahan are a decent alternative.


I'd definately use the att+4 until lvl50. 3% Haste is pretty minimal w/o any other, at least you get swifty @ 50
3% haste is bare minimum ~3.1% DoT, and I highly doubt you'll be able to beat that with attack+4 at 39. If you can, your attack is utter dogshit and you need serious help.
Let's say you're sitting at 250 attack at 39 (this is probably overestimating it by, I dunno, maybe 50, probably less). Considering that your typical party at that level is going to be going against things they really don't have any right to be going against, like Soldier Crawlers in CN, you'd need to be going up against a mob with ~270 defense for the atk+4 to beat Haste+3%. (With higher defense, the atk+ wins by more.)

So: no, you don't need **** defense - you just need a party that's dumb enough to not bring someone to dispel Cocoon.
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#13 Jun 16 2009 at 1:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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for comparison's sake:
studio gobli states that a lv58 crab = 260 def

Most of the IT++ stuff you'd be fighting as a lv39 player is going to be in the high 100s/low 200s def wise. +3.1% number is also w/o hasso or haste and as you get more haste gear fumas just keep getting better.
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Enkidu's are a decent alternative(more like sidegrade or minimal upgrade) and can represent some money if you have the rare version, if you got the rare/ex don't even bother with them.

(Moreover Enkidu look ugly as wet dog, so you may want to ignore them as an alternative)

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#15 Jun 17 2009 at 12:01 AM Rating: Good
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MDenham wrote:
bsphil wrote:


Sandmaster wrote:

Pahn wrote:
if you mean "is there anything as good for the foot slot before usukane?" the answer is "no". if you mean "how much better are fumas than competitors?" the answer is "probably somewhere between 2%-4% depending on your level." if you mean, "is it okay if i wear something else?" the answer is decide for yourself.



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Federation Kyahan are a decent alternative.


I'd definately use the att+4 until lvl50. 3% Haste is pretty minimal w/o any other, at least you get swifty @ 50


3% haste is bare minimum ~3.1% DoT, and I highly doubt you'll be able to beat that with attack+4 at 39. If you can, your attack is utter dogsh*t and you need serious help.


Let's say you're sitting at 250 attack at 39 (this is probably overestimating it by, I dunno, maybe 50, probably less). Considering that your typical party at that level is going to be going against things they really don't have any right to be going against, like Soldier Crawlers in CN, you'd need to be going up against a mob with ~270 defense for the atk+4 to beat Haste+3%. (With higher defense, the atk+ wins by more.)

So: no, you don't need **** defense - you just need a party that's dumb enough to not bring someone to dispel Cocoon.


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for comparison's sake:
studio gobli states that a lv58 crab = 260 def

Most of the IT++ stuff you'd be fighting as a lv39 player is going to be in the high 100s/low 200s def wise. +3.1% number is also w/o hasso or haste and as you get more haste gear fumas just keep getting better.


I still think 'MNK' a lot, and the att+4 shoes are a decent alternative to fuma's for a while. Especially, because MNK gets less att that a 2H job, so you can make each punch slightly more powerful, or slightly increase the att round. There was a thread with a load of math in it, but theres noway i'd be able to find that. I have a feeling Cyth was thinking the same thing as well

For SAM however, yeah, fuma's all the way. I just used Leaping boots for the 2acc, and Storm Gambriars for the 2STR on WS. The foot slot was probably my weakest slot leveling up until 70+

Its not the most important thing however, I'd recomend any (non first-job) SAM stop @ 50 until you get a Soboro. I had SAM @ 46 for 2 years waiting on a Soboro to eventually drop, and I don't regret it one bit, dinging into Soboro was probably one of my most enjoyable moments and experiances.



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#16 Jun 17 2009 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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4 or 5 things better than fumas:

1) Usukane ( End all be all feet gear for all jobs that can wear really )

2) One piece with sTP that allows you to have a 6-hit build when you are 75 and have merited sTP. If you dont have usukane, you will have to sacrifice something. Your feet is the least of those sacrifices. For that reason i would also not suggest going for a 6-hit build before you have stp merits: You will need to sacrifice a lot to do so.

3) Fuma Sune Ate. Lv 72, better in ways that dont really matter, but it is better and cheaper. Same way a hauberk is better than a haubargeon: It *is* better, but the atributes where its better dont matter to the jobs that can wear it.

4) Sarutobi. Same thing, more gil for you.

5) Not sure about this one: Enkindu. Might be better or worse, depending on the rest of your set.
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