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#1 Jun 11 2009 at 12:19 AM Rating: Good
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ok, i'm 8K from 75, but can't get back to game for nearly a week now, I think I have my tp & ws gear's sorted, except for one thing.

I only 50% understand how stp works, I know 1Stp is equivelant to 0.1 tp.

I have Osode, haidate, dusk, fuma, alky, Marin M boots, PCC, Chiv Chain, Brutal, Rajas for the relevant slots. Also have Haci body, hands and feet atm as im still 74. I have the merits ready for 4/5 sTP when I ding.

Im on the AH looking at White Tathlum right now, if I bought this, could I TP in haste gear, so with 5/5 sTP + Rajas + Brutal + White Tathlum (and cc if needed) thats 43 or 44stp TP.

For WS, instead of Osode, I'll use the Domaru for 50stp ws.

Will that give me my 6HIT + max haste with the sacrifice of 2acc from t.Sting for meleeTP and 2STR for ws from Osode (and hopefully not the loss of 5acc from PCC)?

Edit: if thats not enough, how much Stp would i need during ws to maintain a 6HIT if I tp in ideally 43Stp. (or 44Stp)



Edited, Jun 11th 2009 8:25am by Sandmasterr
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#2 Jun 11 2009 at 1:07 AM Rating: Decent
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I only 50% understand how stp works, I know 1Stp is equivelant to 0.1 tp.


Yeh thats more like "I only understand 0% of how stp works" im afraid. 1stp is a 1% increase on tp per swing, not a flat 0.1tp.
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Store_TP

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how much Stp would I need during ws to maintain a 6HIT if I tp in ideally 43Stp. (or 44Stp)


May want to post what weapon your using?
#3 Jun 11 2009 at 1:53 AM Rating: Good
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how much Stp would I need during ws to maintain a 6HIT if I tp in ideally 43Stp. (or 44Stp)


May want to post what weapon your using?

No need.
The answer is "you don't want to do 6-hit with TPing at 43/44 STP only".
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#4 Jun 11 2009 at 2:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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With a base delay of 450, that set-up with 43STP will give you 82TP after 5 swings. With a Domaru, your WS would return 17.1TP, leaving you 1TP short. You'll have to WS in Domaru, Hachiman Sune-Ate, and Hachiman Kote if you wish to get a 6hit with that setup.

With a CC in the mix, 5 swings will give you 82.5TP. WSing in Domaru and Hachiman Sune-Ate can get you your 6hit this way. Otherwise, I can suggest adding an ecphoria ring along with the CC to your TP set up. This would give you 83TP after 5 swings, and all you'll need is a Domaru to WS in.

If you'd like all this STP stuff to be a lot easier, download FFXI Calculator which will help tremendously with figuring out X-hit set-ups, among many other useful things.



Edited, Jun 11th 2009 6:32am by Dudester
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#5 Jun 11 2009 at 4:20 AM Rating: Decent
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oO so based on those posts (with 5/5 stp), does this work?

TP = 43!

Hagun, Pole Strap, ,White Tathlum
Turban, PCC, Brutal, Hollow
Hauby+1, Dusk gloves, Rajas, Torreador
Foragers, swift, byakko's, Fuma's

WS SET = 55!

Hagun, Pole strap, , White Tathlum
Shura, Chivchain*, Brutal, Triumph
Haci, Alky, Rajas, Flame,
Smildon+1, Warwolf, Shura, Hachiman Sune-Ate.



*If the exact number on ws is between 50-54stp i can happily use ws gorgets for Y/G/K. Thx for replying guys, ill prob go with this as i like the thought of keeping max haste. I don't mind sacrificing3STR for ws.
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#6 Jun 11 2009 at 5:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Still doesn't work. That adds up to 99.8TP. You'll need 57TP on your WS to get 100TP in 6 hits.

Edited, Jun 11th 2009 9:12am by Dudester
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#7 Jun 11 2009 at 5:51 AM Rating: Good
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First: READ STICKY

Second:
Shinta, one post down wrote:
most common 6-hits are:
48sTP (tp) 30+sTP (WS)
46sTP (tp) 44+sTP (WS)
45sTP (tp) 48+sTP (WS)



Third (since you're not going to read the previous two):

43sTP:
(tp): 11.5tp (base w/ 450 delay) * 1.43 (sTP) = 16.445 (round DOWN to tenths) = 16.4
tp in 5 hits = 16.4*5 = 82tp
tp needed on WS = 18tp
sTP needed on WS = 18tp/11.5 = 1.565 = 57sTP needed on WS

w/ chiv-> 44sTP:
(tp): 11.5tp (base w/ 450 delay) * 1.44 (sTP) = 16.56 (round DOWN to tenths) = 16.5
tp in 5 hits = 16.5*5 = 82.5tp
tp needed on WS = 17.5tp
sTP needed on WS = 17.5tp/11.5 = 1.5217 = 53sTP needed on WS

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I don't mind sacrificing3STR for ws.

7 acc on tp 5STR on WS, for 3 haste on tp

probably not worth it

alternatively: keep PCC, trade out toreadors for ecphoria ring (-3acc instead of -5acc)

Edited, Jun 11th 2009 1:00pm by shintasama
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#8 Jun 11 2009 at 9:14 AM Rating: Good
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There is STP food you know.

Dish of spaghetti carbonara
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Food Effects: (30 minutes, All Races)

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#9 Jun 11 2009 at 10:09 AM Rating: Default
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Why SE stop SAM's having 6HIT w/o sacrificing haste, or 8%ACC, is strange.

Thx those that answered questions w/o being patronising, or saying 'dur read teh stickies' or some other thing that is irrelevant to my question. Ofc i've read akushiva's stp guide, and wiki's page of sTP, but they didn't have the answer to my question, especially for an area of the game im new to and don't fully inderstand (hence the question).

I already have a stack of carbonara ready to use, even the extra bit of lolHP will help riding Hasso and playing more aggressivly with /WAR Hagun and 25% Haste /DRG Soboro. The difference between Hasso up/down with Soboro + max haste is a 33.3% speed increase, so every little bit helps i guess.


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#10 Jun 11 2009 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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I don't see what's so good about using dusk gloves in exchange of you must WS in chiv chain and domaru. Osode + Gorget will give much better overall return.
.1 fTP from gorget equivalent to 64-72 STR extra STR on your WS.

Not to mention movement speed down (if you're talking about merit party, that is) sucks.
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#11 Jun 11 2009 at 12:39 PM Rating: Good
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Thx those that answered questions w/o being patronising, or saying 'dur read teh stickies' or some other thing that is irrelevant to my question. Ofc i've read akushiva's stp guide, and wiki's page of sTP, but they didn't have the answer to my question, especially for an area of the game im new to and don't fully inderstand (hence the question).
Aki's guide isn't "irrelevant" it tells you exactely what you needed to know to to figure this out yourself (in the first page even!).

Ungrateful prick.
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#12Sandmasterr, Posted: Jun 12 2009 at 12:19 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I don't have gorgets for gekko or Kasha, but yeah I understand trying to use White Tathlum + haste hands for 6HIT's not worth it.
#13 Jun 12 2009 at 2:15 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, may bad didn't include the WSC part.

But the point still stand, you get much more benefit from gorget, releasing the 3% haste (not so 3% in actuality) for more STP in TPing phase.
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Sandmasterr wrote:
Why SE stop SAM's having 6HIT w/o sacrificing haste, or 8%ACC, is strange.

That's why they invented this. Better start looking for a salvage ls :P
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#15 Jun 12 2009 at 6:00 AM Rating: Good
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God forbid a new SAM who has done his research but still needs some help comes to the SAM forum and asks a question about Stp. If you don't like the thread, don't post in it.
I don't have problems helping out people who don't understand simple stuff already clearly explained in materials they "read". I have problems when I go out of my way to help those people and then they insult me in return. If you want to be treated nicely, don't be a prick to those who help you out.
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#16 Jun 12 2009 at 10:13 AM Rating: Decent
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This is the exact reason I use Pasta on all non-bird camps. Its less atk then some other foods but allows me to use PCC/Dusk Hands and still have a 6-hit in full haste gear. Of course I don't have an Osode (left the sky LS before I got one) and have no intentions of joining a sky ls anytime soon.
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