5 hit setupFollow

Unless I misread a few posts up, somehow adding 9+10% DA together gives him +30% DA average, so I'm guessing no.

First hand experience is great for the person but really, bad for the comparison unless you've used both. You can't make decisions based off just doing things one way and that's it.

Making decisions for "But I enjoy it!" is fine, too. They are VALID for your choice in doing something yourself. But, they hold no weight whatsoever when you're trying to help other people make a decision. What does hold weight? Your theoretical paperwork.



This is a forum. It's a place to communicate about things. Specifically, it's a forum to talk about FFXI and improving our overall knowledge and experience. This particular thread belongs in a forum for SAM and discusses exactly this issue.

Want to know what's interesting about all of that? A lot of the information that people swear by and build their knowledge off of started as "theoretical" paperwork.

Theory has a place. It's used to determine generalities. It's used to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. It's used to build a theory that can direct people in making choices. It's solid, it can be repeated, and the outcomes have been shown to come really close to application.

You've had the math shown to you for why a 5-hit just isn't as good as a 6-hit. You can rage all you want, but the sad truth is... Math doesn't lie. You can accept that you're using your 5-hit specifically because you enjoy it (and that others will mock you for your choice), or you can experience the joys of a properly built 6-hit. Your choice.

Thank you Pahn for teaching us what to wear!

Also, this thread was worth reading all the way through!

so why do all your posts look like they were written by a child? food for thought.

I got a few cheap laughs out of it.

Granted, but that doesn't prevent those two jobs from being any two out of the fifteen possible jobs a given Aern may have.

wahhh

Why not demand we all go get shinsoku's and test them while we're at it? It's just as dead horse and inferior.

You didn't say anything of any substance. Good job.



Learn to science, noob. That's not a controlled environment at all since there are variables related to the actual human players you aren't controlling for. Yet again, you fail to understand basic game mechanics. It doesn't matter if you parse a fight with him there. The only thing that such a parse would prove is which one of you dealt the most damage during that time span. It says NOTHING about 5-hit or 6-hit build, because as has been pointed out numerous times in this thread that the person playing the job matters. We use math to demonstrate the potential of a build. Its up to the player to live up to that potential or not.

If you really want to prove anything, learn the math and post it here. That is the ONLY way you can prove it.



WooooOOOOooooo....

gear, merits, race, skill, and luck (hitting, crits, etc) all come into play, and out of those, the only one that can't be fully controlled for a proper scientific analysis (two variables are present, when one at a time is best for any analysis).

beyond that, it really does sound like "my parse will beat your parse".

I do agree that some of this argument does seem more like children bickering (on both sides), and that a review of the math, and it's formula's, does seem like it is due; but if they haven't changed, then the current math that we have is fine as is.

Wait does Bigmo have a Futsuno?



Now this I could swallow. Although I'd still keep my 6-hit and SC with everyone else.


Edited, Feb 9th 2010 2:15pm by sbrubles

if you prove with math that one gear setup does more DoT than another, you either a) know that said gear setup does more than another, or b) haven't factored in all the variables. once you factor in enough variables (in like 95% of cases in ffxi--99%+ if you count trivially bad choices--it's very easy to do this), you get the answer. people who rely only on parses are sad, b/c it should be obvious even to a child that guyA in gearX vs guyB in gearY won't necessarily tell you whether or not gearX is better than gearY (homework: why not?).

probably trolling though. either you gave it away when you said "i'll be on skype so i'll know if he goes AFK" ie you guys just get up and go afk from XP parties without telling your party, or mild lol at that.

side note: max gear haste + hasso + SAM roll + DNC + 2xmarch + haste is absolute sex.

This reasoning is just flawed. I don't have a Kogarasumaru, but just because its arguably the hardest GKT to to get in the game does than mean its good?

There are plenty of SAM's on this forum who have either full Usukane or various pieces, and they all know better than to do what you are doing. The best build I've seen (outside of aman) is Veggetto's TP set for SAM, if he pops his head in, take a page out of his book and you would be an unstoppable SAM.


Also, none of us hate you. We just think you and your circle of SAM friends are a joke.

I feel sorry for the handful of Lakishians who play the game well, but get their names dragged through the mud due to ppl like yourselves.

Kparser records skill chain damage. It's on the normal Offense tab. It doesn't say who did it, but if you set up your filter right, you'd be fine.

Its around a 45STR boost @ 100% TP

0.1 fTP is worth around 15STR (the boost gorget gives you).

Each hit you go over 100% TP using a Hagun up to 200% is also worth around 15STR or 0.1ftp on your ws dmg.


Think I remember a thread on BG about Futsuno VS Hagun, and Futsuno Mitama was slightly better than Hagun with the right build if you religiously fire off ws's @ 100% TP.

Hmmm.

140 STR on WS:

Hagun DMG:75
fSTR=16
WSC=floor(floor(.75 * 140) * .83)=87

WS DMG=(75+16+87)*fTP

Without TP bonus:
WS DMG=floor((75+16+87)*1.5625)=278

With TP bonus:
WS DMG=floor((75+16+87)*1.875)=333

Difference = 333-278 = 55 DMG on WS



Working backwards:
((178+X)*1.5625)=((178)*1.875)
X=((333/1.5625)-178)
X=35

WSC=87+35=floor(floor(.75 * Y) * .83)
((142 / .83) / .75) = Y
195.98 = Y

Difference = 196 - 140 = STR+56 in WSC to match the DMG increase of hagun at 100 TP without WS gorget.

Did I make any glaring errors? I wasn't working backwards through fTP previously. That's what I get for drinking and mathing.

Edited, Feb 14th 2010 2:30pm by bsphil