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#103 Feb 04 2010 at 2:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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You have to sacrifice too much. A 5-hit will do less damage than a proper 6-hit in a 450 delay GKT.

You should only think about a 5-hit if you are using a 480 GKT. You should only be using a 480 delay GKT if you have Futsuno.



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#106 Feb 04 2010 at 3:37 PM Rating: Decent
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This would be where haste/ACC would win store TP in my opinion. The level of sacrifice id horrible...

Could work with a 480 GKT maybe, like the Pachi, but i love the hagun to much.

And maybe the rindomaru with the max Stp on that, but idk with this one.
#107 Feb 04 2010 at 4:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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I love victrola, this one is by far my favorite though!


Man, that thread is eerily similar to this one. If OmmyLeviathan used more "..."'s and "XD"'s I would swear that they were the same person as Bigmogreen.
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#108 Feb 04 2010 at 5:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Man, that thread is eerily similar to this one. If OmmyLeviathan used more "..."'s and "XD"'s I would swear that they were the same person as Bigmogreen.
Nah, I think Omommy was more entertaining, Bigmo is just kinda stupid. Of course, Victrola has set the bar for trolls on alla soo incredibly high that the best either one could hope for is a "tin foil" place medal.
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#109 Feb 05 2010 at 4:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Bigmogreen is a prime example of why I hate most SAMs.
Hate the troll, not the job. It's like hating SMN because of Mellowy (not that bigmo is anywhere near that good or infamous).

Edited, Feb 4th 2010 12:37pm by shintasama
I meant because most of the SAMs I mix with make decisions that rank fairly highly on the retard-o-meter, though nowhere near as retarded as this guy's pathetic choice.
Most of the good ones I know are in my Limbus shell, and even then there's -- lamentably -- enough "bad" to balance it back out (and yet even a bad SAM is capable of impressing people...)
For what it's worth, I also hate my own jobs for similar reasons -- they're too easy to do wrong.

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/point /laugh shame shame you talk about your own friends sad sad person.. shame on u .. haahah
Hey idiot, did I mention "friends" anywhere? No. You don't have to be friends with someone to mix with them.

Fucking learn to read.
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#110 Feb 05 2010 at 5:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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one of the cool things about victrola is that if we call to him/her or talk about him/her, s/he's almost guaranteed not to show up in this thread. s/he's like a woodland animal, or the black cat i see every so often when i go out for a cigarette at night. if you pretend s/he doesn't exist, s/he'll probably come back and contribute to some random ass thread, then disappear again. i'm shaking my head here at how good a troll (but it's not just "trolling") victrola is. if s/he's not even some longtime poster's sock (long suspected), it's even more amazing.
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#111Bigmogreen, Posted: Feb 05 2010 at 5:49 PM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) U has offendedededed meeee .. Dat Be Fightin words. lol
#112Coyoteblackzero, Posted: Feb 05 2010 at 9:04 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I saw 5 hit, thought i'd pop in to say hi.
#113Bigmogreen, Posted: Feb 05 2010 at 9:17 PM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) AND THE CROWD SAYS
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this thread dares to ask the question: is there anything lower than unrated?
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#115 Feb 05 2010 at 10:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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this thread dares to ask the question: is there anything lower than unrated?


Does banned count?
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#116 Feb 06 2010 at 3:58 AM Rating: Good
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Anyway not here to take any sides, just want everyone to have fun. Since I've had a chance to experiance both sides I'll toss in some cookies. I've played with 5 hit also. *see 1st page post.

But at same time after actually testing 6hit Vs. 5



Hmmm, for starters, I thought you generally had to have the gear you have listed before you start testing.

Your nothing more than a wannabe...


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#117Coyoteblackzero, Posted: Feb 06 2010 at 5:41 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm not following what your trying to say. I'm assuming your saying I don't have the gear I have listed, no, but do I get to play with the gear listed, yes. I'm not the only person I know who plays FFXI. idk about you. On to the next one.
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Thought I should make an appearance, since the subject is trolling ;)

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If my Fun makes those people uncomfortable so be it


Maybe you're playing the victim, or maybe you're just genuinely wrong. If you desire to have fun alone in detriment of everyone else's fun - ie screwing with a party's meriting potential because you feel like experimenting a subpar set, you could at least have the decency to do it on solo activities or on a solo game...

Unless you absolutely hate a 6hit set, I don't see a reason why you should imply that only a 5hit can provide you fun. Besides, as noted by someone else before, if you want 5hit just because of SCs, there are plenty of videos around there of 6hit SAMs self-SCing, even pre sekka and w/o Soboro or /DRG. Perhaps you may find more fun in trying to raise your own skills and sync your WSs to do that. The challenge should provide you the fun you need.
#119 Feb 06 2010 at 10:35 PM Rating: Good
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Totally agree with Coyoteblackzero i play to have fun. It is a game after all. If my version of fun involve me to have a 5 hit that took a long time to make so be it. I'm sorry if i offended anyone trying to defend myself because you all saying me having my own fun is stupid. I understand there will be people out there that will still shun me and throw rocks. If my Fun makes those people
uncomfortable so be it ..


Well, you basically have hit on the main problem here. You admit you took a long time to make your 5-hit build. You put a lot of work into it, and simply don't want to use a superior build because of the effort you put into the weaker one. I don't know, make of that what you will, but it reeks of fail to me.

And don't flatter yourself. You don't make me uncomfortable. I'm just bored while skilling up polearm on my freshly-75'd DRG. Thanks level sync!

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Lastly im in that 10% that know's the old LvL 3 dark xD and know how to make LvL 3 light 3 ways /salute Coyoteblackzero


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#120Bigmogreen, Posted: Feb 07 2010 at 1:21 AM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) I can do your 6 hit better than u .. i choose not to .. U cant do my 5 hit better than me even if u choose to .. I have more options
#121Bigmogreen, Posted: Feb 07 2010 at 1:33 AM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) How many times must i repeat myself Guy .. I DO NOT MERRIT ON BIRDS WITH A FRIGGIN GK. Tomoe Only.. Wait i really dont merit i only BUFFER considering i dont have anything else to merit .. Lastly How can u determine what is fun for me .. Like someone said if i wanna throw Disco Balls of light then thats what imma do. If i cant do that imma close a ton of skillchains. "If" u could solo a LvL 3 Light Skillchain without sekkanoki /drg only on one meditate you would be tickled pink because your 6 hit wont allow it only if u double attack after every weaponskill round. I bet if u did manage to get those double attacks in u probably would be like /l "i just soloed light guys wooow"
#122 Feb 07 2010 at 1:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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I DO NOT MERRIT ON BIRDS WITH A FRIGGIN GK
he didn't even mention birds?
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only if u double attack after every weaponskill round.
We don't need haste/BRD/samba/DA/w/e else either, all you need to do it with a 6-hit is the timing to make a meditate click happen as you WS, and WS again right as the third click is available. I used to be able to do it 10x in a row np while farming in altepa. You're just upset because you don't have the talent to do it without gimping your overall damage output with a 5-hit build.
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#123Theodorik, Posted: Feb 07 2010 at 5:29 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Luc,
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Read the thread first.

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Soloing: A 5-hit build with a single Meditate can self Light using the string (Yuki~Gekko~Kasha) consistantly.


As can a 6-hit.

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I know he "sacrifices" some decent stats, but @299 GK, Acc+Att isn't going to effect as much as you think, Bigmo hits like a truck. The Haste he "sacrifices" is made up in spades with less melee to 100%, so it's comparible in output.


In any situation where you are properly buffed, the 6-hit SAM will gain 100 TP faster than the 5-hit, but also get in an additional hit while doing so (more damage). Add onto that that the 6-hit SAM can make a higher STR build for WS. He loses on both fronts. Even if he "hits like a truck", he could be doing better.
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#125Bigmogreen, Posted: Feb 07 2010 at 7:11 PM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) Ok let me see you time and do your light solo with your 6 hit .. Post a video of it i bet if theres no double attack in either of those rounds u will not close light .. U might get Frag but thats it..
#126 Feb 07 2010 at 7:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not gonna bag on you for not knowing, but rather not having enough faith in ability.

Unless you got an Amano, you can't talk bad on Bigmo. He does exactly what a SAM is supposed to. Weaponskill, a lot! I team up with Bigmo a ton, so I know exactly how far he can push the 5-hit build with a 450 delay. As long as it's a well augmented Rindomaru or COR+Hagun 5-hit, it does insane damage as long as someone who doesn't understand the concept of Skillchains isn't breaking chains. I'll give a couple good examples of when 5-hit shows dominance.

Soloing: A 5-hit build with a single Meditate can self Light using the string (Yuki~Gekko~Kasha) consistantly. That means within the timeframe of 1 meditate you can do 5~6k damage. The sickest part is that's assuming he started without Sekkanoki or 200TP. When he opens with a Sekkanoki it opens the opportunity to Self Darkness 2x+! I personally have a very stout SAM, I'll list gear at the end of this post for you to "nit-pick." I cannot outright kill an IT or VT mob with a single meditate unless I get a DA proc off Gekko using the 6-hit of course. Is my DoT going to outparse a 5-hit, easily. Is my WS damage going to outparse a well built 5-hit, not likely.

Now what I'm saying is the 5-hit build is for extremely active SC style SAM, which is a rarity. Maybe you didn't do Sky parties or Bibiki with a BLM in a merit party, but I did, so I love and understand the impact of SCing with EVERYTHING! It adds up on a parse, which I've ran against Bigmo. Truly, I can't ever beat him within the "margin of error" (3%). If that doesn't say something, then just don't use a 5-hit, but don't talk garbage on it without knowing. I know he "sacrifices" some decent stats, but @299 GK, Acc+Att isn't going to effect as much as you think, Bigmo hits like a truck. The Haste he "sacrifices" is made up in spades with less melee to 100%, so it's comparible in output.

So, I said I'd show Bigmo's comparable LS SAM, which is mine:

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Hagun ~ Ushikirimaru ~ Rindomaru ~ Soboro Sukehiro ~ Gondo-Shizunori
Ace's Helm ~ Shura Zunari Kabuto ~ Myo. Kabuto+1
Askar Korazzin
Askar Manopolas ~ Myo. Kote+1 ~ Saotome Kote
Byakko's Haidate ~ Shura Haidate
Usukane Sune-Ate ~ Hachiman Sune-Ate
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Ethereal Earring ~ Cassie Earring ~ Brutal Earring
Rajas Ring ~ Uthalam's Ring
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+4 Great Katana
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Now, as I mentioned a 5-hit is for a very active SAM assuming they still have 12~14% Haste and 7% DA. Some can pull it off very clean and effortlessly, others find it difficult since you need to be able to anticipate 100% TP. If you don't get it on the money, you'll likely miss the 3rd WS on a Light chain. But before knocking it because it sounds preposterous, try it or at least attempt it.

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blablabla, SAM is a DD, hagun 5-hit does less damage, so it's worse. shut up.
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#127Theodorik, Posted: Feb 07 2010 at 7:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Prove it. PROVE IT. You have nothing. Not on Bigmo, and certainly not me. PROVE IT. There isn't enough time in the world to come up with proof concrete enough to show 6-hit is better than a good 5-hit.
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Prove it. PROVE IT. You have nothing. Not on Bigmo, and certainly not me. PROVE IT. There isn't enough time in the world to come up with proof concrete enough to show 6-hit is better than a good 5-hit.


guess what i'm not going to do? post math for you, or read the rest of your post. guess what i've already done several times on this very forum? proven what you're asking me to prove. guess how much time it took me to do it? hint: less than the total amount of time in the world. once you stop crying, if you're genuinely interested in all this, go read some stuff about how haste and damage work, then you can work out that epic proof yourself. you'll be so proud to have accomplished something you never thought possible! it would be almost as satisfying as being the unique guy with the 5-hit spending more gil to do less damage.
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#129 Feb 07 2010 at 10:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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So now we know, 5-hit reaches 100% faster with proper set-up. So it's essentially a 6-hit with a really overpowered 6th hit. Is that clear?


lolwut?

Look, I'll do the easy part for you - the time to 100 tp. As we have been saying, 6-hit with proper buffs will WS faster than a 5-hit. Let's define proper buffs as Hasso, Marchx2, and Haste spell (total of 10+21+15 = 46% Haste). Let's say the 6-hit has 25% Haste from /DRG (Total 71% Haste) and the 5-hit has 12% Haste (Total 58% Haste). Assume both use Hagun (7.5 seconds per hit before Haste).

For the 6-hit, delay per swing is (7.5 seconds * 0.29) = 2.175 seconds
For the 5-hit, delay per swing is (7.5 seconds * 0.58) = 3.15 seconds

Let's say neither wears any Haste gear on their WS. Thus after the WS, they both have only 46% haste from buffs. This swing will have a delay of 7.5 seconds * 0.54 = 4.05 seconds.

OK, sum it all up:

6-hitter has WS(swing 1)->swing 2 + Swing 2->3, 3->4, 4->5, 5->6
= 4.05 + 4 * 2.175 seconds = 12.75 seconds

5-hitter has WS(swing 1)->swing 2 + Swing 2->3, 3->4, 4->5
= 4.05 + 3 * 3.15 seconds = 13.5 seconds

So the 6-hitter hits 100 TP in 12.75 seconds, and the 5-hitter in 13.5 seconds. The actual numbers may vary depending on how the game rounds haste and delay, but the end result should be the same. Now, remember that the 5-hitter is having to sacrifice some STR on the WS for Store TP. Thus, the 6-hitter should be having higher average WS's. Also, remember that the 6-hitter is hitting once more in the time to 100 tp. I don't care how much "like a truck" the 5-hitter hits for, they aren't making up for the extra damage of the 6-hitters extra swing. So, the 5-hitter should be losing on regular melee swing damage and on WS damage.

Now, you contend that SC damage really adds up to a lot. Well, since we have seen that the 6-hitter can WS faster, they should be more able to SC if so desired.

PS - I might have made an error in calculating this stuff. I'm not one of the math whizzes on the boards here, but I tried.
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I would consider making a vid; if I had a camera, or fraps, or there wasn't already one available to view, or I gave a @#%^ about proving anything to an idiot and a troll.
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#131Bigmogreen, Posted: Feb 08 2010 at 1:09 AM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) lame lol
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Did I miss the memo about 6-hitters hate for SCs?
I mean... if you can't close your own SCs with 6hit (which shows lack of practice or a bad internet connection) can't you simply close everyone else's SC, like any half decent SAM would?

From what you have said, it seems that everyone in the party should be holding their TP while you patiently work on your self light, simply because you think that a 3 way self lvl3 SC will do more DMG then if you close 2 lvl3 SCs.

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#134Bigmogreen, Posted: Feb 08 2010 at 1:14 PM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) why does everything refer back to a dam party .. Mobs dont live long enough in a party to be holding tp .. if they do theres something wrong .. Theres other things besides parties .. Unless thats all u do is party xD? lol Party = EXP
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This is very entertaining thread. This reminds me of Science (6-hit build) versus Religion (5-hit build). Maybe an episode of Lost? Man of Science, Man of Faith...

6-hit build: It has been proven mathematically and scientifically many times that it is the most efficient and can do the most damage.

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5-hit build: "It is the best and I have faith in it. I can see God everytime I do my 3-step light self-skill chain in that shiny ball of light. Religion is fun. Science and math are the devil."
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why does everything refer back to a dam party .. Mobs dont live long enough in a party to be holding tp .. if they do theres something wrong .. Theres other things besides parties .. Unless thats all u do is party xD? lol Party = EXP
EVENT=OTHER THAN EXP PARTY .. If u


You didn't seem to finish that "thought". I know I personally wasn't referring to strictly EXP parties. I was referring to SAM in general. In any situation where your damage output really matters, you should be getting proper buffs, and the 6-hit should be better. If you are soloing, who honestly cares how much damage you do?
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#137Theodorik, Posted: Feb 08 2010 at 4:00 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Apples to apples.... fool.
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i'm curious, how old are you two anyway?
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#139Theodorik, Posted: Feb 08 2010 at 4:23 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Old enough to be your Professor, even your dad.
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Go to The Garden of Ru'Hmet
Find an Aw'Aern
Starting from 100 TP, Time and Kill it solo, no aid.
Considering that each Aw'aern can manifest one of fifteen different jobs, with varying levels of squishiness, and with a rather wide level range (81-84, so there's a pronounced difference between highest and lowest even before level correction), this test is inherently flawed and unreliable from the start. There are simply too many variables to account for.

This is even before we get onto BST, DRG and SMN Aerns setting their pets on you to complicate matters even further.
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Fine. Find a Frontline style, pretty easy to figure it out.

And you wanna know something really funny, they all die just as quickly with Bigmo's 5-hit. We don't care what it brings, we run what we "brung."

Pets or not, if your scared just say so. That's fine. People get scared.

Go try a Wivre and tell me now many jobs a Wivre has...
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Fine. Find a Frontline style, pretty easy to figure it out.
This does not eliminate PLDs, RDMs, or DRKs. Or, for that matter, WHMs or SMNs, because WHM and SMN mobs don't generally like hanging back like WHM and SMN players do. In fact, all it eliminates are RNGs, NINs and BLMs.

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You act like it's a question of being scared. I see it as messing up the test data because you're the one that died, not the test mob.

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The average Wivre in Grauberg (which by the way will have even more level variance than the Aerns, and in the opposite direction to boot) is a WAR. A lot of non-beastman mobs are.

Edited, Feb 8th 2010 5:45pm by Lucinus
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Go to The Garden of Ru'Hmet
Find an Aw'Aern
Starting from 100 TP, Time and Kill it solo, no aid.

I want from you:
Time it took to kill.
Damage per WS.
Damage Taken
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Edited, Feb 8th 2010 5:18pm by Theodorik

How about we throw in no food too since who wants to use food when you're just screwing around solo.

Oh wait, his build won't work anymore under that circumstance, that also makes it a little harder to swap back and forth between 5 and 6 hit builds unless he's eating carbonara 24/7.

And lolAces/Askar, seriously, walahra's good, other two are situational at best, get over it.

The only case you seem to be able to pull for 5-hit is soloing. That's fine I guess since it really doesn't matter to other people how you're soloing generally. It probably even does better in that case since you have 0 outside haste and probably won't even be using hasso. But put it in a situation with pretty much any support and it'll lose handily.

I guess you could say a 5-hit like this is viable, but when it's pretty much for solo use only, requires food at all times, and in any situation that actually matters loses to a 6-hit which costs far less it just becomes a very expensive toy.
#144Theodorik, Posted: Feb 08 2010 at 4:47 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I didn't say, "keep blabbing for my entertainment."
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Turban is better in high haste high acc situations.

Edited, Feb 8th 2010 6:00pm by shintasama
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Even in the augment fights....even in sea with an alliance... even anywhere you go..... 5-hit can perform the same blitz style damage with a single meditate. It isn't like some magic trick that only works soloing. Just try it, even it's for an hour. Goof with it. Then come back. I've used the 5-hit. It's a daggone blast!

*Oh, and I do use food for soloing. Usually Yellow Curry Buns+1 or something cheap. I like to get e-peen numbers! I said it!

And since when is wait... hold on just had a brain shock... when is an Askar Zuchetto or Ace's helm situational outside of TP gain? Am I missing something?

Edited, Feb 8th 2010 5:53pm by Theodorik

Those are still in party, so you still get buffs and chances are there will be other melee. Those other melee will have a high tendency to just WS whenever, breaking up or preventing your SC's. I'm sure it is a blast but what we're talking about is what actually does more dmg.

Not sure whether you mean Ace's/Askar while TPing or otherwise by your sentence, lol. But either way, for TP, 1% haste will pretty much win if you have semi significant buffs, it's been covered a lot if you look around this forum. ACC is also slightly less useful for SAM because of how good zanshin is. WS should be obvious.

And it'd be nice to go out and kill a wivre but I'm kind of at work atm so a little hard, lol.
#147Theodorik, Posted: Feb 08 2010 at 5:13 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I WS with everyone or anticipate their TP gain. Considering I usually kill things with Bigmo... It's an SCfest. He can open, I mid and he closes level 3, etc. Never a word exchanged, just "let's see how fast we can kill this" mentality.
#148 Feb 08 2010 at 5:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Theodorik wrote:
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And it'd be nice to go out and kill a wivre but I'm kind of at work atm so a little hard, lol.


<3 Just do it.

I'm tired of hearing the same BS over and over. Until you actually have a 5-hit with an attentive player using it, you don't know. I'm not saying it's better in every scenario. There is definitely times I've yanked hate clean from Bigmo, generally in the high defense scenarios.

Then what do I see him do? Modified 6-hit..... Surprise!

Oh, and I got a V belt, 1% is not gonna make or break me or even give another SAM and advantage on me in 95%+(?) of cases. Pfft, most SAM don't even have a 6-hit from what I've seen, let alone over 12% Haste, and you think you speak for everyone. I think I can opt for the greater impact per swing with enhanced fSTR and Acc. I don't know, something about getting more DA proc since Zanshin overwrites DA, makes me I hold the advantage. So I choose to use my Ace's Helm for SAM TP build.

I'm not new to this whole DD and mathmatics. I've been through it, but a formula cannot account for player skill. I'm sorry for bursting the bubble, but just cause your paper says it's better, doesn't add truth to it.

Just Try A 5-hit Build Kay?

Lol, FF not even installed here, not as though I would think about trying to play it.

But then, if he's gonna just end up using 6-hit anyways, what's the point of even having the 5-hit. Like I said, it just becomes a very expensive toy.

Never said I speak for everyone, but comparing yourself to gimp SAM's with no 6-hit and no haste doesn't really do much good in the long run. You say 1% haste not gonna make or break you, well that fSTR not really gonna make or break you either. As for DA, if you're using GK you're probably not /WAR so your 9% DA doesn't overlap that much, the actual math is probably around... somewhere.

The thing is, the math is meant to take player skill out of the equation because it varies. It's not about comparing my 6-hit with his 5-hit, it's about comparing his 5-hit to his 6-hit, or my 6-hit to whatever theoretical 5-hit I'd end up with.
#149Theodorik, Posted: Feb 08 2010 at 5:27 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I took a gander at your TP set-up, and you don't even have a 6-hit. So be quiet.
#150 Feb 08 2010 at 5:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Theodorik wrote:
I WS with everyone or anticipate their TP gain. Considering I usually kill things with Bigmo... It's an SCfest. He can open, I mid and he closes level 3, etc. Never a word exchanged, just "let's see how fast we can kill this" mentality.

Edited, Feb 8th 2010 6:18pm by Theodorik

That's great and all, but considering you do that just fine with a 6-hit, there's no inherent benefit of using 5-hit. I love SCing with random people's WS's too, but I'm lucky if I can even get a self SC off with sekka much less the longer gap with just med.
#151Theodorik, Posted: Feb 08 2010 at 5:41 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I have noticed a major increase in my DA procs even with "only" 9% (10% is /WAR base). I've invested a lot of time camping and doing events to finish up my Samurai before I get my Amano. My high haste and acc definitly effects the overlap. I've recently averaged 30% more DA proc since meriting GK and getting my Justice Torque vs Chiv chain. So to me that's a respectable increase. Kinda funny you mentioned that. Most people always ask why the hell I DA so much.
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