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#52 Feb 01 2010 at 10:57 PM Rating: Good
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I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but I legitimately would like to hear him try and defend this with something outside of "I think different than you".

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Heres my 5 hit setup i <3 it .. i dont parse and whatnots .. also my hagun has acc+6 on it .. i can 4 part light gekko>yuki>gekko>kasha solo /w sekkanoki. i can solo light with just meditate and 100 tp .. /w soboro its just plain retarded tp gain .. of course i loose some str and haste but a reasonable sacrifice in my opinion because i can self skillchain light and comeback and do my 2 hour for another 3 part skillchain .. But as people stated all sams are not created equal and my sam is Not .. i do what i feel is good to me and i dont care what parser or whatever they are called say..

TP
http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=99728

WS
http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=134310


Self skill chaining with soboro is no amazing feat. With soboro, I can do a 3 part self light easily with no spell haste. With a little extra haste and jumps from /DRG, it becomes trivial. I'm an in the box 25% haste 6-hitter by the way. Soboro isn't really magically better for you because you have a 5-hit. Everyone gets a lot of TP really quick with Soboro.

I can't think of many situations though where people are going to be sitting back waiting for me to do 3 WSs. In a merit party, people are WSing constantly, and the added damage from self-SCs with Soboro probably isn't worth making the other melees sit around not WS'ing. If you are going to SC, its probably better to just react and do a SC with Y/G/K off another melee when you coincidentally have TP.

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and comeback and do my 2 hour for another 3 part skillchain


Welcome to SAM 2hr :D We can all do that regardless of our hit build. Guess what? Having the extra STR in your WS build would make your 2hr better.


SelfSkillchain with "Hagun" NO/DRG .. thats what i do .. if i were to soboro/drg i would double your 3part light
You realize we've known how to solo light w/o 5-hit, /DRG, /RNG, sekka, or soboro since like 2005? and it's only gotten easier since then. Go look up the old Delequiox demonstration videos.
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#53Bigmogreen, Posted: Feb 02 2010 at 2:42 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok u do it then with your 6 hit xD make a video of it and well see if u can do it hahah i got a video on youtube the quality is not good but it shows me doing what i say i can do
#54 Feb 02 2010 at 9:58 AM Rating: Good
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What part of "Self skillchain 5 hit build does less damage than a proper 6hit build" dont you understand?

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Did i say i was better than u because i have a 5 hit and u a 6? Did i imply ME>you? No.. I simply didnt .. if u took it that way fine.. Reevaluate your thinking patters if u feel that way lol.. i know 1+3=4 and whatnots it still wont make me change my ideas about "MYSAM" not your Sam "MYSAM" if i wanna drop disco balls and black holes of death back to back thats what im gonna do .. Have A Nice Day =D


I never said anything about being better than someone. I dont even have sam leveled genious (in before "Shudap! You cant POSSIBLY understand why this is so awesome unless you try it yourself! Your ideas dont matter!").

I am not trying to change how you play, nor do i particularly care if you do. You refuse to admit that your method simply does less damage. If I want to play Drg/nin dual wielding swords because I think it looks super neato, I can do that. But Id be retarded to think that i was doing something nearly as effective as i could be. If i posted on the drg forums about how cool it is to DW koggelmander/Joy and spam spirits within in an HP build, I would get the same response you have. Am i free to play as I wish? Absolutely. Should I expect others to "appreciate" or want to have anything to do with a less effective method? **** no.

You are being a snowflake "outside the box" and thats fine, but if you still believe that your method does the same damage as a 6hit, you are terribly mistaken. When people play with a sam, the reason the sam is there is to contribute as much damage as possible. Not to have a disco party.

You can throw your disco party, but dont get mad when your the only one there.

Keep your 5hit. We generally dont care. But your build does less damage than a "cookie cutter" 6hit and that is the point you stubbornly refuse to aknowledge. When you are in a group for the sole purpose of doing damage, you are not being the best sam you could be. If you are the only DD in an alli of Blms that still want to magic burst....I guess they would call you.
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#55 Feb 02 2010 at 10:19 AM Rating: Good
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Bigmogreen wrote:
shintasama wrote:
Bigmogreen wrote:
JaxReborn wrote:
I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but I legitimately would like to hear him try and defend this with something outside of "I think different than you".

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Heres my 5 hit setup i <3 it .. i dont parse and whatnots .. also my hagun has acc+6 on it .. i can 4 part light gekko>yuki>gekko>kasha solo /w sekkanoki. i can solo light with just meditate and 100 tp .. /w soboro its just plain retarded tp gain .. of course i loose some str and haste but a reasonable sacrifice in my opinion because i can self skillchain light and comeback and do my 2 hour for another 3 part skillchain .. But as people stated all sams are not created equal and my sam is Not .. i do what i feel is good to me and i dont care what parser or whatever they are called say..

TP
http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=99728

WS
http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=134310


Self skill chaining with soboro is no amazing feat. With soboro, I can do a 3 part self light easily with no spell haste. With a little extra haste and jumps from /DRG, it becomes trivial. I'm an in the box 25% haste 6-hitter by the way. Soboro isn't really magically better for you because you have a 5-hit. Everyone gets a lot of TP really quick with Soboro.

I can't think of many situations though where people are going to be sitting back waiting for me to do 3 WSs. In a merit party, people are WSing constantly, and the added damage from self-SCs with Soboro probably isn't worth making the other melees sit around not WS'ing. If you are going to SC, its probably better to just react and do a SC with Y/G/K off another melee when you coincidentally have TP.

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and comeback and do my 2 hour for another 3 part skillchain


Welcome to SAM 2hr :D We can all do that regardless of our hit build. Guess what? Having the extra STR in your WS build would make your 2hr better.


SelfSkillchain with "Hagun" NO/DRG .. thats what i do .. if i were to soboro/drg i would double your 3part light
You realize we've known how to solo light w/o 5-hit, /DRG, /RNG, sekka, or soboro since like 2005? and it's only gotten easier since then. Go look up the old Delequiox demonstration videos.



Ok u do it then with your 6 hit xD make a video of it and well see if u can do it hahah i got a video on youtube the quality is not good but it shows me doing what i say i can do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q84OmFSYEzs
Am I supposed to be impressed?




sidenote: I love all the bizarre metaphors this thread has spawned XD
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#56 Feb 02 2010 at 10:23 AM Rating: Good
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I love all the bizarre metaphors this thread has spawned XD


<3 wierd metaphors. Makes boring things like this way more fun.
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#57 Feb 02 2010 at 10:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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Before the link, I was thinking this guy reminded me of CBO.

Sooo, your 5HIT shaves a hit off 100%TP, going from 6HIT to 5HIT is a straight 16-17% Dmg increase.

(talking hasso, double march and Haste samba)

My 25% haste 6HIT fully haste buffed VS your very low 17% haste build means I will swing my GKT with a delay of 90 (1.5secs) and you swing yours at a delay of 126 (2.1secs)

So, from Haste alone, i'm doing 40% more DMG than you.


Unfortunately, to get you 5HIT build, you've had to lose STR on your WS build, and ACC in your TP build. Admit ably, you have still kept a high amount of STR in your WS build, but my WS's will still hit some 2-3% harder than yours because of the ~6STR your missing. (taking my total to 42% VS your 5HIT's 16-17%)

Finally, ACC, which is the final hugely important part of your TP build. You have 42ACC in your TP build inc your DEX, I have 58ACC in mine, and no Usukane pieces. The extra 16ACC (basically the difference of your lolAskar and my Hauby+1) gives me 8% more ACC, going from 87% ACC to 95% ACC is a 9.1% DMG boost, bringing my builds total to 51.1% DMG.

Your 6HIT to 5HIT build - 16-17%
My 25% haste high ACC/STR 6HIT build - 51.1% DMG

51.1 - 17 = 34.1% MORE DMG



This will obviously mean nothing to you, and from this thread, ppl all over your server now know to stay away from you, and the morale of this thread is, even ppl with great gear can be **** at their job, and this guy will do about as much dmg as a moderately standard GKT 6HIT build.

Stay away from him!
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#58 Feb 02 2010 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
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SelfSkillchain with "Hagun" NO/DRG .. thats what i do .. if i were to soboro/drg i would double your 3part light


How do you figure? How does 1 less hit to 100 tp lead you to be able to "double" a 6-hitter with Soboro?

Also, I hate to burst your bubble there chief, but your 12% haste build 5-hit will not gain tp faster than a 25% haste 6-hit build if both have double march and haste.

Edit: I fail and didn't see the second page. Clipped out some stuffs.

Edited, Feb 2nd 2010 12:41pm by JaxReborn
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#59Bigmogreen, Posted: Feb 02 2010 at 3:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tah
#60Bigmogreen, Posted: Feb 02 2010 at 4:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Dont u think if i wanted to do "your" setup i could? i have all "your" peices to make "your" setup .. Even if u wanted to outta ***** and giggles replicate
#61Bigmogreen, Posted: Feb 02 2010 at 4:03 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I dont want u to be impressed but u do the same /NIN and ill be in AWESTRUCK .. i might even commit SUICIDE because of it hahah
#62Bigmogreen, Posted: Feb 02 2010 at 4:15 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) OOOO im sorry did my comment make u feel as if i didnt care about a 6 hit =O im sorryaaheee <please forgive me> ^^V.. haha i gotta get me one of those parser things for my xbox it seems to be the holy grail for most of yall xD..
#63 Feb 02 2010 at 4:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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Bigmogreen wrote:
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SelfSkillchain with "Hagun" NO/DRG .. thats what i do .. if i were to soboro/drg i would double your 3part light


How do you figure? How does 1 less hit to 100 tp lead you to be able to "double" a 6-hitter with Soboro?

Also, I hate to burst your bubble there chief, but your 12% haste build 5-hit will not gain tp faster than a 25% haste 6-hit build if both have double march and haste.

Edit: I fail and didn't see the second page. Clipped out some stuffs.

Edited, Feb 2nd 2010 12:41pm by JaxReborn


Tah
Outside of /drg how much haste u have =D thankyou come again
im pretty sure u dont /drg everywhere if u do lol
/DRG adds 5% haste -1xearring

I'm pretty sure you can do the math 25%-5%=20%
20%-12% = 8% haste difference
8% haste w/ the above conditions= ~23% WS freq and melee dmg
w/ /DRG: ~27% WS freq and melee dmg
+DNC= ~40% WS freq and melee dmg

vs:
~25% more WS, lower WS dmg, lower melee dmg (before haste even), etc etc and the ability to do something the skilled of us could already do-> works out to less than a 16% improvement overall.

23-40% is bigger than <16%

you're a fool/troll/boredom fodder/bottom rung/etc (take your pick)
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#64 Feb 02 2010 at 4:35 PM Rating: Good
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Lol at this whole discussion in general, but just for the heck of it I looked at Big's gear sets and is it just me or does it NOT have enough STP for a 5 hit? Or are your actual sets different from what you posted there?

Edit: Nm, it's probably being made up by eating carbonara.

Edited, Feb 2nd 2010 5:48pm by TarowynXI
#65 Feb 02 2010 at 4:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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shhhhh, it's fine as long as he gets hit by the mob right?


even cheating 5-hit can't win XD
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#66Bigmogreen, Posted: Feb 02 2010 at 4:55 PM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) NIce Edit my friend Nice Edit .. Bravo!
#67Bigmogreen, Posted: Feb 02 2010 at 4:58 PM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) MMMMMHMMMMMM.. yup yup outside of your /drg u have no 25% haste .. thats all i wanted to hear xD lol.. and u my friend are a troll .. mudslinger.. i just simplly stated i have a 5 hit .. but here come the "Parse Patrol" imputing Numbers haha
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How dare they use numbers to determine what's more efficient. Bastards.
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#69 Feb 02 2010 at 5:10 PM Rating: Decent
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i know you people are loving to argue with this guy, but how does a 5 hit w/ rindo match up against a 6 hit w/ hagun? certainly been discussed in the past but since we're on the topic and i'm new to SAM...
#70Bigmogreen, Posted: Feb 02 2010 at 6:52 PM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) Third Party Device GooOOO lol
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How dare they use numbers to determine what's more efficient. Bastards.
Third Party Device GooOOO lol
ti-83 calculator + knowledge of game mechanics? I guess? technically?

The video camera you used to take that video is third party too, no?


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i know you people are loving to argue with this guy, but how does a 5 hit w/ rindo match up against a 6 hit w/ hagun? certainly been discussed in the past but since we're on the topic and I'm new to SAM...

fully discussed here

In the future feel free to make a new topic, this one is just to kill boredom.

Edited, Feb 2nd 2010 8:27pm by shintasama
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There's 2 different people typing "BigMoeGreen's" posts.

Just wanted to point that out. The idiocy remains, but the syntax, style and the capitalizing every word comes and goes.

This is clearly 7th grade troll quality work.
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#73 Feb 02 2010 at 10:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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obvious troll has been obvious the whole time. just that the boards are dead.

incidentally, parsing is not against the ToS, any more than having winamp or firefox going while you play is against the ToS. you can have a parser just read the chatlog files from the game to tell you total damage (you could also tally it yourself). "third party" program clearly doesn't mean "you cannot run any program simultaneously with ffxi." if it did, almost every PC player would be committing bannable offenses, since obviously ffxi is rarely the only program running on any given machine. "third party programs" means programs that interact with the game (like windower or bots).

re: rindo 5hit vs hagun, i'm not sure. i never bought that rindo was superior, but i could be wrong. would need to do more math than i care to. it's at the very least comparable. if you give up any haste besides usu feet over fumas, it's not.

edit: also for those new to SAM, i actually *do* /DRG everywhere, except maybe einherjar. with sufficient gear and buffs, SAM75/DRG37 always beats SAM75/WAR37. relatively unbuffed polearm /WAR the other exception, but clearly irrelevant to a GK x-hit build discussion.

Edited, Feb 2nd 2010 11:15pm by milich
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Just wanted you all to know, he is not a troll. I was sending/receiving PM's for quite a while with this idiot on FFXIAH, trying to convince him of the same **** you all have been. And despite showing him exactly how wrong he was, he failed to see the point. He's not a troll, just an idiot.
#75Bigmogreen, Posted: Feb 03 2010 at 2:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) U must die a lot or sponge if u /drg.. i know your healing magic hates u hahah... If everywhere to u is just parties your just looking at 1% of the game xD
#76Bigmogreen, Posted: Feb 03 2010 at 2:14 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Im a idiot for not playing "YOUR" sam style? xD cmon dude i play how i want haha like one person said .. if i like to toss Disco Parties leme do so .. Dont Criticize Commercialize! xD
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