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#27 Jan 31 2010 at 1:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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You've spent a ton of gil making a set that's not very good, but it sounds like there's no convincing you otherwise, so w/e...
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#28Bigmogreen, Posted: Jan 31 2010 at 1:18 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) im sorry if i dont confine myself to your basic and bland sam build .. the same build that damly every sam has xD. i think outside the box .. your in the box
#29Bigmogreen, Posted: Jan 31 2010 at 1:22 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Problem? xD
#30 Jan 31 2010 at 1:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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im sorry if i dont confine myself to your basic and bland sam build .. the same build that damly every sam has xD. i think outside the box .. your in the box

No one here really cares how you think or how well you play. You have all the necessary information, but if you prefer to gear your SAM for something other than maximum damage output, then no one here has a problem with that. It's not like any of these people are ever going to be in a party that is less effective because of your choices. I'll never get slower EXP because of you, so your decision to be less effective doesn't matter to me.
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.. i do what i feel is good to me and i dont care what parser or whatever they are called say..

That's fine; why would you think anyone wouldn't be cool with this? Just don't expect good feelings to make your gear work better.
#31 Jan 31 2010 at 1:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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im sorry if i dont confine myself to your basic and bland sam build .. the same build that damly every sam has xD. i think outside the box .. your in the box
You're only doing a disservice to yourself and the people you play with, and since I'm neither: w/e snowflake

or as the Japanese say: "the nail that sticks out gets hit with the hammer"
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#32 Jan 31 2010 at 2:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Heres my 5 hit setup i <3 it .. i dont parse and whatnots .. also my hagun has acc+6 on it .. i can 4 part light gekko>yuki>gekko>kasha solo /w sekkanoki. i can solo light with just meditate and 100 tp .. /w soboro its just plain retarded tp gain .. of course i loose some str and haste but a reasonable sacrifice in my opinion because i can self skillchain light and comeback and do my 2 hour for another 3 part skillchain .. But as people stated all sams are not created equal and my sam is Not .. i do what i feel is good to me and i dont care what parser or whatever they are called say..

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http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=99728

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http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=134310

Edited, Jan 31st 2010 2:03pm by Bigmogreen


out of curiosity, what's on the champion's galea?
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#33Bigmogreen, Posted: Jan 31 2010 at 5:49 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Cha
#34Bigmogreen, Posted: Jan 31 2010 at 6:07 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Are u Serious dude xD?.. What Exp camp are u talking about because if u talkin birds i still have a mean 5 hit Tomoe RiceBall Build that would still Rip Holes
#35 Jan 31 2010 at 9:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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in your Thought Patterns xD .. Soo DOnt Assume About What i use in exp Bird Pt's .. Anything Aside from Bird Camp,my 5 hit all the way

I just assumed that your expensive-but-underperforming gearsets would extend to whatever you do. If not, why bother paying so much to underperform for some stuff but not for others?

I'm sure you do just fine. I personally think it's kind of a shame that you'd rather be unique than be a better DD, but I'll never have to party with you so my opinion really doesn't matter. If you do well enough that you're happy and the people who play with you are happy, I don't see what difference it makes that you could be doing better than you are. "Good enough" is... good enough, after all.
#36Bigmogreen, Posted: Jan 31 2010 at 11:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) underperform how .. u can "only" do 2 part skillchains aside from your 2 hour ability me on the other hand can do 3 part skillchains even 4 with sekkanoki so hows that under performing .. did u take in account of skillchain damage?
#37 Feb 01 2010 at 3:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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in your Thought Patterns xD .. Soo DOnt Assume About What i use in exp Bird Pt's .. Anything Aside from Bird Camp,my 5 hit all the way

I just assumed that your expensive-but-underperforming gearsets would extend to whatever you do. If not, why bother paying so much to underperform for some stuff but not for others?

I'm sure you do just fine. I personally think it's kind of a shame that you'd rather be unique than be a better DD, but I'll never have to party with you so my opinion really doesn't matter. If you do well enough that you're happy and the people who play with you are happy, I don't see what difference it makes that you could be doing better than you are. "Good enough" is... good enough, after all.


underperform how .. u can "only" do 2 part skillchains aside from your 2 hour ability me on the other hand can do 3 part skillchains even 4 with sekkanoki so hows that under performing .. did u take in account of skillchain damage?


unless you're talking about soloing or party exclusively with DDs even worse than yourself (b/c they never WS), this is irrelevant.

Edited, Feb 1st 2010 4:48am by milich
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#38 Feb 01 2010 at 4:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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#39Bigmogreen, Posted: Feb 01 2010 at 4:31 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) There There Selfish YOung Sam... The Samurai (SAM) job focuses on the mastery of weapon skills and skillchains. Samurai excel at the use of Weapon Skills due to their ability to "rapidly(EL RAPIDO) gain Tactical Points" and use them to their advantage. How do i Rapidly Gain TP? By Shaving off 1 attack round..Also Have u ever heard of salvage .. I take it u do Judging by those feet u have. U know what happens on boss runs, the coordination it takes IE Skillchaining? Right? Ok .. while u would do your Typical Sekkanoki Rana/Gekko this is what i would Do .. Sekka/Meditate Rana/Gekko wait.. Rana/o "wats this"GEKKO.. then by the time You would RANA i would have tp to close your junk again.. or maybe yall just free weaponskill or somthin and get mauled xD
#40Bigmogreen, Posted: Feb 01 2010 at 4:38 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) /laugh <Run Away!> Bigmo = /Stay <Full Attack!> <Monster>
#41 Feb 01 2010 at 4:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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What you fail to realize is that a 6 hit SAM with a proper TP build will actually WS more often than a gimp 5 hit. You place so much importance on skillchains it really wouldn't surprise me if you subbed BLM to magic burst them Smiley: banghead

By your logic, you could not melee at all and rely solely on meditate for a 0 hit and that would be even better.
#42 Feb 01 2010 at 11:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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unless you're talking about soloing or party exclusively with DDs even worse than yourself (b/c they never WS), this is irrelevant.

Edited, Feb 1st 2010 4:48am by milich


There There Selfish YOung Sam... The Samurai (SAM) job focuses on the mastery of weapon skills and skillchains. Samurai excel at the use of Weapon Skills due to their ability to "rapidly(EL RAPIDO) gain Tactical Points" and use them to their advantage. How do i Rapidly Gain TP? By Shaving off 1 attack round..Also Have u ever heard of salvage .. I take it u do Judging by those feet u have. U know what happens on boss runs, the coordination it takes IE Skillchaining? Right? Ok .. while u would do your Typical Sekkanoki Rana/Gekko this is what i would Do .. Sekka/Meditate Rana/Gekko wait.. Rana/o "wats this"GEKKO.. then by the time You would RANA i would have tp to close your junk again.. or maybe yall just free weaponskill or somthin and get mauled xD


i did darkness doing asuran fists with my friend doing gekko actually.

i assume you're trolling and/or love being different, blabla. it doesn't matter; like people said, you do more damage with haste and a 6hit. maybe this seems inconceivable to you, but maybe no one cares.
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#43 Feb 01 2010 at 11:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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What you fail to realize is that a 6 hit SAM with a proper TP build will actually WS more often than a gimp 5 hit.
*this*

also: it's really sad that there is so little going on in the SAM forum that we waste this much time on trolls/idiots....
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#44Bigmogreen, Posted: Feb 01 2010 at 1:06 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ive been there done that what u called a "Proper 6 hit" its Boring to me .. this is like a religion battle like "my god is better than your god" or "there is no god" its never ending .. just cause i dont conform to a basic style of play it makes me gimp? /laugh i guess its true people fear or crap on what they dont understand or never tried.. and the only ones whos trolling and being a idiot is u my friend .. I only began to criticize only because yall were saying my 5 hit was useless so and "gimp" or what not .. He who is without sin Cast the first Phrase
#45 Feb 01 2010 at 1:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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What you fail to realize is that a 6 hit SAM with a proper TP build will actually WS more often than a gimp 5 hit.
*this*

also: it's really sad that there is so little going on in the SAM forum that we waste this much time on trolls/idiots....


Ive been there done that what u called a "Proper 6 hit" its Boring to me .. this is like a religion battle like "my god is better than your god" or "there is no god" its never ending .. just cause i dont conform to a basic style of play it makes me gimp? /laugh i guess its true people fear or crap on what they dont understand or never tried.. and the only ones whos trolling and being a idiot is u my friend .. I only began to criticize only because yall were saying my 5 hit was useless so and "gimp" or what not .. He who is without sin Cast the first Phrase
It's nothing like any of that, but attempting to bring up religion supports my troll hypothesis. You're gimp because you use gear that produces less dmg/time, it's math not voodoo.
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#46Bigmogreen, Posted: Feb 01 2010 at 2:20 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Im glad u feel that way u continue to do your 6 hit and ill do my 5
#47 Feb 01 2010 at 3:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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What you fail to realize is that a 6 hit SAM with a proper TP build will actually WS more often than a gimp 5 hit.
*this*

also: it's really sad that there is so little going on in the SAM forum that we waste this much time on trolls/idiots....


Ive been there done that what u called a "Proper 6 hit" its Boring to me .. this is like a religion battle like "my god is better than your god" or "there is no god" its never ending .. just cause i dont conform to a basic style of play it makes me gimp? /laugh i guess its true people fear or crap on what they dont understand or never tried.. and the only ones whos trolling and being a idiot is u my friend .. I only began to criticize only because yall were saying my 5 hit was useless so and "gimp" or what not .. He who is without sin Cast the first Phrase
It's nothing like any of that, but attempting to bring up religion supports my troll hypothesis. You're gimp because you use gear that produces less dmg/time, it's math not voodoo.


Im glad u feel that way u continue to do your 6 hit and ill do my 5
It's like we're 19 posts ago again, good to see forward progress.
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#48 Feb 01 2010 at 3:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Fun read.....no not really.

This isnt god vs god....That is trying to convince one another that one immeasurable, unknowable entity is better than another immeasurable, unknowable entity.

Doing damage in a videogame, in which every action is determined my mathematical formula PROGRAMED into the game, which are guranteed to do the EXACT same thing every time (computers are good at doing math perfectly every time in case you didnt know) is not vodoo or religious. It is knowable and measurable.

Anyone can ask "How much damage will I do against (insert mob) with (insert gear/weapon) with (insert buffs) doing (insert action/WS/Melee)?" and the people who understand the game mechanics can say "You will do (insert number) damage." And they will be right. because they are doing the same process the computer does just by hand. There is no arguing that. Its 2+2=4.

This has been debated/theorycrafted/parsed/beaten into the ground countless times and come up with 2+2=4. But you come here and say that 2+1=5.

If you want to talk about MAXIMUM OPTIMAL DAMAGE OUTPUT for sam, 2+2=4. I dont care how you "feel" 2+1=5. The fact that you dont parse or even understand the mathematic equations that determine what damage pops up in the log doesnt help your case. 2+1=3 and 3 is less than 4. Therefore 2+2=4 is more than 2+1=3 no matter how much you say it equals 5. No matter how much you feel better adding 2+1. It quite honestly doesnt matter what you "think" because it is still incorrect.

There is no wiggle room for "feelings" in math. You dont come to class with a hangover to take your algebra test and the test looks at you and says "oh im sorry you 'feel' bad this morning. How bout you just write down some #s and ill make them right /hug." Math doesnt hug you. It doesnt go outta its way to make you chicken soup when your sick. Bad math makes buildings fall down, levees break, and exacerbates natural disatsters. Math doesnt give a sh*t what you feel.

If you want to play 5 hit because you see pretty golf balls of light, then great. You can throw a disco party with all your light SC everywhere you go. But dont come here and tell us that 2+1=5. There is no way to spin it. When it comes to maximium and optimized damage output, your method does less damage. If you dont care that you do a little less damage than you "could" do otherwise, fine. That is your perogative. But if someone asks "Which is more? 2+2 ro 2+1?" and you chime in "2+1!!" Your getting called on it because it is incorrect. The End. You can say "I like 2+1. 2+2 is so semetrical and i dont like symetry. Asymetry ftw!" Thats fine. That is an opinion. But it is NOT what does more damage.

"Choosing" not to believe a fact does not make it less true. It only makes you willfully ignorant.

"Math is vodoo!" LOL

Edited, Feb 1st 2010 4:21pm by Banalaty

Edited, Feb 1st 2010 4:25pm by Banalaty
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#49 Feb 01 2010 at 3:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but I legitimately would like to hear him try and defend this with something outside of "I think different than you".

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Heres my 5 hit setup i <3 it .. i dont parse and whatnots .. also my hagun has acc+6 on it .. i can 4 part light gekko>yuki>gekko>kasha solo /w sekkanoki. i can solo light with just meditate and 100 tp .. /w soboro its just plain retarded tp gain .. of course i loose some str and haste but a reasonable sacrifice in my opinion because i can self skillchain light and comeback and do my 2 hour for another 3 part skillchain .. But as people stated all sams are not created equal and my sam is Not .. i do what i feel is good to me and i dont care what parser or whatever they are called say..

TP
http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=99728

WS
http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=134310


Self skill chaining with soboro is no amazing feat. With soboro, I can do a 3 part self light easily with no spell haste. With a little extra haste and jumps from /DRG, it becomes trivial. I'm an in the box 25% haste 6-hitter by the way. Soboro isn't really magically better for you because you have a 5-hit. Everyone gets a lot of TP really quick with Soboro.

I can't think of many situations though where people are going to be sitting back waiting for me to do 3 WSs. In a merit party, people are WSing constantly, and the added damage from self-SCs with Soboro probably isn't worth making the other melees sit around not WS'ing. If you are going to SC, its probably better to just react and do a SC with Y/G/K off another melee when you coincidentally have TP.

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and comeback and do my 2 hour for another 3 part skillchain


Welcome to SAM 2hr :D We can all do that regardless of our hit build. Guess what? Having the extra STR in your WS build would make your 2hr better.
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#50Bigmogreen, Posted: Feb 01 2010 at 7:32 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) SelfSkillchain with "Hagun" NO/DRG .. thats what i do .. if i were to soboro/drg i would double your 3part light
#51Bigmogreen, Posted: Feb 01 2010 at 7:41 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Did i say i was better than u because i have a 5 hit and u a 6? Did i imply ME>you? No.. I simply didnt .. if u took it that way fine.. Reevaluate your thinking patters if u feel that way lol.. i know 1+3=4 and whatnots it still wont make me change my ideas about "MYSAM" not your Sam "MYSAM" if i wanna drop disco balls and black holes of death back to back thats what im gonna do .. Have A Nice Day =D
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