5 hit setupFollow

74 STP on average
compared with 46 STP on average for 6 hit

Store TP gear

find 39 store TP in gear (assuming capped merits) and there you go

The level of sacrifice you have to do in gear slots is atrocious enough that your overall damage will be less than if you went with 6 hit.

Things like Alky/Dusk,Hauby/Askar/Osode.

Y isn't Aki's Guide Sticky yet?

Pachipachio is purple btw. Match well with Usukane

well ill have to experiment but its for sam/ranger winder spam With a 5 hit setup and soboro ill literally be a winder machine gun lol and yes i find my accuracy to be fine bc i use sweet spot and archery merits

intresting and very true thankyou

unfortunately not as well as the people wearing haste+6hit or a polearm 5hit, but thanks for playing:D.

To OP, With a 450 you need 74 STP for 5 hit, and depeding on how you go about playing, could be anywhere from, (13m~40m) mostly because of usukane ^^.

TP
Soboro-Hagun
Rose Strap 4
White Tathlum 2
Moogle Expansion Head with +3Haste and STP+4
Justice Torque
Brutal Earring 1
Wyvern Earring~ Bushinomimi
Usukane Haramaki 6
Hachiman Kote +1 9
Ecphoria Ring 1
Raja's Ring 5
Cuchulian's Mantle
Speed/Velocity Belt
Byakko's Haidate
Usukane Sune-Ate 7
STP Merits 35
STP Total=74

WS
Soboro-Hagun
Rose Strap 4
White Tathlum 2
Maat's Cap
WS Gorget
Brutal Earring 1
Bushinomimi
Usukane Haramaki 6 ~ Hachiman+1 Body
Hachiman Kote +1 9
Flame Ring
Raja's Ring 5
Cuchulian's Mantle~ Simo Mantle
Warwolf Belt
Enkidu's Subligar 5
Usukane Sune-Ate 7 ~Hachiman+1 Feet
STP Total=74





Edited, Feb 5th 2010 10:07pm by Coyoteblackzero

If you have the gear to support 5HIT, it will be nice in solo situations like campaign (and will out-do your 6HIT), but when properly hasted (RDM + BRD), 6HIT will always dominate simply because the 5-6% haste + extra WS DMG your losing is worth more overall.

This is more opinion than fact if you take into the account Skillchains. Each SAM plays differently, some like just WSing some like skillchaining. With this setup you can skillchain just from melee delay. With more haste (55%+)just going off of melee/WS damage 6-Hit slightly starts to pull ahead cause of 4% Haste difference.(idk where ppl got 5~6) But I don't play just to go WAR on SAM. The extra skillchain damage just from counting +8 (Log damage, my parser don't count SC damage) Lv.3 Darknesses compared to 6hit brought the damage up to match the lesser damage from melee/WS/haste, in 30 min parse Vs Quadav Campain Mobs. (I don't have usu body, use askar+ attilas) RDM+BRD for haste.

Ppl argue that skillchains don't matter for damage comparisons, but I say nor does a 1000 damage gekko on a G.Colirbi that has 4% HP left. (~200HP) After all the fuss though play for fun and enjoy.

I think this is why there is discrepency between why ppl say "5 hit sucks monkey ****s" (cause to them, it's all about the parse), and the ppl who prefer SC'ing (myself, included).



it's downright scary when you do :P


EDIT: forgot to give the other side

Edited, Jan 22nd 2010 10:34am by Vestrivan

No one here really cares how you think or how well you play. You have all the necessary information, but if you prefer to gear your SAM for something other than maximum damage output, then no one here has a problem with that. It's not like any of these people are ever going to be in a party that is less effective because of your choices. I'll never get slower EXP because of you, so your decision to be less effective doesn't matter to me.

That's fine; why would you think anyone wouldn't be cool with this? Just don't expect good feelings to make your gear work better.

out of curiosity, what's on the champion's galea?

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|us | In box built from years of testing
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| | you >:3 outside with a
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JESUS CHRIST IT'S A LION GET IN THE CAR BOX!

relevant

i did darkness doing asuran fists with my friend doing gekko actually.

i assume you're trolling and/or love being different, blabla. it doesn't matter; like people said, you do more damage with haste and a 6hit. maybe this seems inconceivable to you, but maybe no one cares.

Fun read.....no not really.

This isnt god vs god....That is trying to convince one another that one immeasurable, unknowable entity is better than another immeasurable, unknowable entity.

Doing damage in a videogame, in which every action is determined my mathematical formula PROGRAMED into the game, which are guranteed to do the EXACT same thing every time (computers are good at doing math perfectly every time in case you didnt know) is not vodoo or religious. It is knowable and measurable.

Anyone can ask "How much damage will I do against (insert mob) with (insert gear/weapon) with (insert buffs) doing (insert action/WS/Melee)?" and the people who understand the game mechanics can say "You will do (insert number) damage." And they will be right. because they are doing the same process the computer does just by hand. There is no arguing that. Its 2+2=4.

This has been debated/theorycrafted/parsed/beaten into the ground countless times and come up with 2+2=4. But you come here and say that 2+1=5.

If you want to talk about MAXIMUM OPTIMAL DAMAGE OUTPUT for sam, 2+2=4. I dont care how you "feel" 2+1=5. The fact that you dont parse or even understand the mathematic equations that determine what damage pops up in the log doesnt help your case. 2+1=3 and 3 is less than 4. Therefore 2+2=4 is more than 2+1=3 no matter how much you say it equals 5. No matter how much you feel better adding 2+1. It quite honestly doesnt matter what you "think" because it is still incorrect.

There is no wiggle room for "feelings" in math. You dont come to class with a hangover to take your algebra test and the test looks at you and says "oh im sorry you 'feel' bad this morning. How bout you just write down some #s and ill make them right /hug." Math doesnt hug you. It doesnt go outta its way to make you chicken soup when your sick. Bad math makes buildings fall down, levees break, and exacerbates natural disatsters. Math doesnt give a sh*t what you feel.

If you want to play 5 hit because you see pretty golf balls of light, then great. You can throw a disco party with all your light SC everywhere you go. But dont come here and tell us that 2+1=5. There is no way to spin it. When it comes to maximium and optimized damage output, your method does less damage. If you dont care that you do a little less damage than you "could" do otherwise, fine. That is your perogative. But if someone asks "Which is more? 2+2 ro 2+1?" and you chime in "2+1!!" Your getting called on it because it is incorrect. The End. You can say "I like 2+1. 2+2 is so semetrical and i dont like symetry. Asymetry ftw!" Thats fine. That is an opinion. But it is NOT what does more damage.

"Choosing" not to believe a fact does not make it less true. It only makes you willfully ignorant.

"Math is vodoo!" LOL

Edited, Feb 1st 2010 4:21pm by Banalaty

Edited, Feb 1st 2010 4:25pm by Banalaty