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#1 Jun 25 2008 at 6:12 PM Rating: Default
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was wondering wo gil being an issue and assuming max store tp merits whats the setup using the least amount of items possible to achieve 5 hit setup. Also assume standare 450 delay GK
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74 STP on average
compared with 46 STP on average for 6 hit
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#3 Jun 25 2008 at 8:32 PM Rating: Default
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ok but what should i wear to achieve 74 stp using the least amount of items assume max store tp and 450 delay gk
#4 Jun 25 2008 at 8:39 PM Rating: Good
Store TP gear

find 39 store TP in gear (assuming capped merits) and there you go
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#6 Jun 26 2008 at 2:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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The level of sacrifice you have to do in gear slots is atrocious enough that your overall damage will be less than if you went with 6 hit.

Things like Alky/Dusk,Hauby/Askar/Osode.
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#7 Jun 26 2008 at 2:46 AM Rating: Good
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aki's sTP guide

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#9 Jun 26 2008 at 7:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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echoing,

"what should i wear to achieve a 5-hit setup?"

"you shouldn't."
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Pachipachio is purple btw. Match well with Usukane
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#11 Jun 27 2008 at 8:43 AM Rating: Good
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5-hit and 450 delay do not go well together. Change that to 480, as stated above, and you have a winner.
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#12 Jun 27 2008 at 8:51 AM Rating: Decent
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well ill have to experiment but its for sam/ranger winder spam With a 5 hit setup and soboro ill literally be a winder machine gun lol and yes i find my accuracy to be fine bc i use sweet spot and archery merits
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well ill have to experiment but its for sam/ranger winder spam With a 5 hit setup and soboro ill literally be a winder machine gun lol and yes i find my accuracy to be fine bc i use sweet spot and archery merits

you'll get faster WS with 6-hit + lots of haste than you will with no haste + 5-hit
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intresting and very true thankyou
#15Bigmogreen, Posted: Jan 03 2010 at 12:13 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i have a 5 hit setup and it does well
#16 Jan 03 2010 at 12:23 AM Rating: Good
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i have a 5 hit setup and it does well


unfortunately not as well as the people wearing haste+6hit or a polearm 5hit, but thanks for playing:D.
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The problem with any X hit build is never how many sTP you need to find, but what you have to give up to get it.

For Spamwinder consider the Martial Bow. As /RNG I always held off shooting till I had 160 - 180% TP for greater Acc. Being able to fire Sidewinder off at 100% TP with the Acc bonus of 200% TP = WAY more Sidewinders than a 5 hit with a Sigetto.

If I could find a use for SAM/RNG anymore I would own a Martial Bow right now.
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was wondering wo gil being an issue and assuming max store tp merits whats the setup using the least amount of items possible to achieve 5 hit setup. Also assume standare 450 delay GK


To OP, With a 450 you need 74 STP for 5 hit, and depeding on how you go about playing, could be anywhere from, (13m~40m) mostly because of usukane ^^.

TP
Soboro-Hagun
Rose Strap 4
White Tathlum 2
Moogle Expansion Head with +3Haste and STP+4
Justice Torque
Brutal Earring 1
Wyvern Earring~ Bushinomimi
Usukane Haramaki 6
Hachiman Kote +1 9
Ecphoria Ring 1
Raja's Ring 5
Cuchulian's Mantle
Speed/Velocity Belt
Byakko's Haidate
Usukane Sune-Ate 7
STP Merits 35
STP Total=74

WS
Soboro-Hagun
Rose Strap 4
White Tathlum 2
Maat's Cap
WS Gorget
Brutal Earring 1
Bushinomimi
Usukane Haramaki 6 ~ Hachiman+1 Body
Hachiman Kote +1 9
Flame Ring
Raja's Ring 5
Cuchulian's Mantle~ Simo Mantle
Warwolf Belt
Enkidu's Subligar 5
Usukane Sune-Ate 7 ~Hachiman+1 Feet
STP Total=74





Edited, Feb 5th 2010 10:07pm by Coyoteblackzero
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Coyoteblackzero wrote:
GeneralJala wrote:
was wondering wo gil being an issue and assuming max store tp merits whats the setup using the least amount of items possible to achieve 5 hit setup. Also assume standare 450 delay GK


To OP, With a 450 you need 74 STP for 5 hit, and depeding on how you go about playing, could be anywhere from, (13m~40m) mostly because of usukane ^^.

TP
Soboro-Hagun
Rose Strap 4
White Tathlum 2
Moogle Expansion Head with +3Haste and STP+4
Justice Torque
Brutal Earring 1
Wyvern Earring~ Bushinomimi
Usukane Haramaki 6
Hachiman Kote +1 9
Ecphoria Ring 1
Raja's Ring 5
Cuchulian's Mantle
Speed/Velocity Belt
Byakko's Haidate
Usukane Sune-Ate 7
STP Merits 35
STP Total=74

WS
Soboro-Hagun
Rose Strap 4
White Tathlum 2
Maat's Cap
WS Gorget
Brutal Earring 1
Bushinomimi
Usukane Haramaki 6
Hachiman Kote +1 9
Flame Ring
Raja's Ring 5
Cuchulian's Mantle
Warwolf Belt
Enkidu's Subligar 5
Usukane Sune-Ate 7
STP Total=74





i'm a bit dubious of this, since you drop 5-6% haste and a fair amount of STR on WS (especially for a setup that could include hachiryu haidate and such).

however, if we're playing the dream gear game, you'd definitely want to drop the usu body and feet for WS, and replace them with HQ hachiman body and feet. 4 more STR, same sTP.
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#20 Jan 08 2010 at 3:16 PM Rating: Good
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If you have the gear to support 5HIT, it will be nice in solo situations like campaign (and will out-do your 6HIT), but when properly hasted (RDM + BRD), 6HIT will always dominate simply because the 5-6% haste + extra WS DMG your losing is worth more overall.



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#21 Jan 14 2010 at 12:54 PM Rating: Decent
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there's always the extra STP gained from eating Carbonara +1 to think about.
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#22 Jan 21 2010 at 1:21 PM Rating: Default
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If you have the gear to support 5HIT, it will be nice in solo situations like campaign (and will out-do your 6HIT), but when properly hasted (RDM + BRD), 6HIT will always dominate simply because the 5-6% haste + extra WS DMG your losing is worth more overall.
This is more opinion than fact if you take into the account Skillchains. Each SAM plays differently, some like just WSing some like skillchaining. With this setup you can skillchain just from melee delay. With more haste (55%+)just going off of melee/WS damage 6-Hit slightly starts to pull ahead cause of 4% Haste difference.(idk where ppl got 5~6) But I don't play just to go WAR on SAM. The extra skillchain damage just from counting +8 (Log damage, my parser don't count SC damage) Lv.3 Darknesses compared to 6hit brought the damage up to match the lesser damage from melee/WS/haste, in 30 min parse Vs Quadav Campain Mobs. (I don't have usu body, use askar+ attilas) RDM+BRD for haste.

Ppl argue that skillchains don't matter for damage comparisons, but I say nor does a 1000 damage gekko on a G.Colirbi that has 4% HP left. (~200HP) After all the fuss though play for fun and enjoy.



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5 hit is not reasonable unless you happen to have a COR present.
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Coyoteblackzero wrote:
The extra skillchain damage just from counting +8 (Log damage, my parser don't count SC damage) Lv.3 Darknesses compared to 6hit brought the damage up to match the lesser damage from melee/WS/haste


I think this is why there is discrepency between why ppl say "5 hit sucks monkey ****s" (cause to them, it's all about the parse), and the ppl who prefer SC'ing (myself, included).


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5 hit is not reasonable unless you happen to have a COR present.

it's downright scary when you do :P


EDIT: forgot to give the other side

Edited, Jan 22nd 2010 10:34am by Vestrivan
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#25 Jan 22 2010 at 1:05 PM Rating: Decent
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(idk where ppl got 5~6)
head: 2 haste, hands: 3-4 haste
really, with haste rounding it should be ~5 assuming you have the gear (which you've already told us before you don't because you're a deceptive tool) to hit "actual" (~26% "written" haste) haste cap (see: 6% haste belt which is ~30-40m by itself, etc).

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You could just get BRD+RDM+DNC(instead of COR) and SC more w/ 6hit on top of higher melee DPS (from higher acc/atk/STR/speed) and WS dmg...

5-hit w/ COR: 7.5*4*.34 = 10.2 sec/WS (sacrificing haste as above)
5-hit w/ COR: 7.5*4*.30 = 9.0 sec/WS (same gear haste as 6-hit)
6-hit w/ DNC: 7.5*5*.20 = 7.5 sec/WS

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SC dmg is also generally resisted vs higher level stuff, meaning you would built an entire build around 5-hit GK SC, in a level/buff range where you could make a ridiculous polearm build if you put in the same effort instead.
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#26Bigmogreen, Posted: Jan 31 2010 at 12:58 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Heres my 5 hit setup i <3 it .. i dont parse and whatnots .. also my hagun has acc+6 on it .. i can 4 part light gekko>yuki>gekko>kasha solo /w sekkanoki. i can solo light with just meditate and 100 tp .. /w soboro its just plain retarded tp gain .. of course i loose some str and haste but a reasonable sacrifice in my opinion because i can self skillchain light and comeback and do my 2 hour for another 3 part skillchain .. But as people stated all sams are not created equal and my sam is Not .. i do what i feel is good to me and i dont care what parser or whatever they are called say..
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