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#1 Oct 23 2011 at 5:34 PM Rating: Good
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Hello. What off hand katana would you recommend for a ninja who has the blade:hi WoE Katana? DA +10? STR? Other? Thanks.
#2 Oct 23 2011 at 8:24 PM Rating: Excellent
I believe it's near unanimous that in that situation, the Kamome is the best offhand katana, due to the +10% critical hit damage (since Blade Hi is a critical hit WS, that's a significant boost to its damage), the accuracy and attack, as well as having a decently low delay
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#3 Oct 23 2011 at 8:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Since this came up I'll ask here. I don't plan on getting a kannagi (sp?) for a while so I got myself a hochomasamune. Would anyone find hocho a decent off hand weapon, or even situational when main handing kannagi?
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#4 Oct 23 2011 at 9:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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Several offhand katanas are good, situationally of course:

Kamome: Best offhand damage in Abyssea, competitive outside due to low delay.

AGI Sekka+3: For when evasion matters; good DPS and a boost to :Hi as well.

STR Sekka+3: Best offhand damage outside Abyssea.

Ban: Competitive offhand damage if Enfire damage doesn't get resisted to ****.

DA+10 Enchu: Competitive offhand damage in and out of Abyssea.

OA2~4 Enchu: Complete ****, don't be tempted/fooled.

Hochomasamune: It depends why you think you need the Fast Cast; if it's to keep shadows up, you'll likely be better served by an AGI Sekka+3... really there's only 3 situations I can think of where its useful:

-Mob has Regain (meaning you can't control when it uses TP), TP moves wipe or consume multiple shadows, and you absolutely must avoid taking melee hits.
-Reducing recast on elemental Ninjutsu; probably better off with INT Sekka+3s... but totally acceptable to use this in those rare situations instead of doing all that work for something rarely used.
-Reducing Migawari recast; best use of this by far. 25% (gear) + 15% (spell) Haste with Loquacious gives me a 1:17 recast on Migawari, while offhanding Hochomasamune drops it to 1:08, which is pretty huge. Add in some augmented Suzaku Sune-Ate and other assorted Fast Cast gear and you can drop that to 1min or less. This is what justifies keeping it in Mog Sack for me.
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#5 Oct 24 2011 at 11:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Lyltia summed it up excellently.

Kamome still rules in Abyssea and is still a decent option outside. Non-Abyssea, STR Sekka is currently probably your best bet for pure damage, I've heard good things about Ban and the Enfire but haven't bothered getting one. I'm also a fan of Oirandori and it only gets better the more people you have in your PT/Alliance.

My personal opinion on Hochomasamune off-hand (main-hand too, actually) is that the delay is waaaaaay too high to make it worthwhile. Lyltia also made some good points on it's utility but I still wouldn't consider it being in the upper-echelon of katanas at this point in the game. Sorta like Auric Dagger, it just hasn't aged well, as gold and blingbling as they may be.
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#6 Oct 25 2011 at 4:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Lyltia summed it up excellently.


Agreed.

I'll throw one other useful offhand out there purely for solo - Oynos Knife. Gives magical haste +15% for 3min once it procs. You can remove it after getting haste to proc and haste will remain (obviously losing any TP you had when you switch weapon off or back on once haste wears, so if you're gonna switch, use your TP to WS or /DNC JA first to reduce the wasted TP). It's not that bad when you're meleeing with it either, fairly strong DMG/delay as daggers go (DMG:40/Dly:186). But that 39 skill difference between Katana and Dagger does mean something.

Of course you'd want to use a better offhand katana any time you have magic haste from another source, but it's a REALLY nice toy for solo work.


Edited, Oct 25th 2011 9:37pm by Anza
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#7 Jan 10 2012 at 9:08 AM Rating: Decent
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i have kamome, ban, ichi +1 and oynos knife for offhand. i main hand kakesu. i prefer the knife, i happen to have dagger merited so that offets some of the acc difference, but haste is a bigger dps increase for me inside and out of abby imo. then again i mostly solo. i have no doubt in a party in either case id offhand something else
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#9 Aug 13 2012 at 4:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey all my ninja bros and sisters. I've been working on my kannagi, and its almost battle rdy. Currently using kamome for offhand, but I'm curious if any has tried the lv 99 OAT 2-3 katana out for sheer dmg? Not the poor man's version. OAT 2-4 mind you.
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#10 Aug 13 2012 at 4:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Mistake on my last post. OAT, not OAT 2-3.(doesn't exist lol)
#11 Aug 13 2012 at 9:54 PM Rating: Decent
In Abyssea, I offhand Kamome. Outside Abyssea, I use Oirandori.
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#12 Aug 16 2012 at 12:12 PM Rating: Decent
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If someone really wants to go all out in dmg with a katana combo. I'd say the 99 Kannagi/95 Kikoku can't be beat. Just saying~
#13 Aug 17 2012 at 4:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Ignore that post. Just did some research, and found out that offhand weapons were nerfed.
#14 Aug 17 2012 at 9:44 AM Rating: Good
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Ignore that post. Just did some research, and found out that offhand weapons were nerfed.

In what way?
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#15 Aug 18 2012 at 2:47 AM Rating: Decent
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LeifeiOfSiren wrote:
Ignore that post. Just did some research, and found out that offhand Relic weapons were nerfed.

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#16 Aug 19 2012 at 10:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Fix to my last post. Offhanding a empy for example will not give the "aftermath Occ. deals double damage" effect. Only in main hand. That is the nerf I was talking about.
#17 Aug 23 2012 at 7:46 PM Rating: Good
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LeifeiOfSiren wrote:
Fix to my last post. Offhanding a empy for example will not give the "aftermath Occ. deals double damage" effect. Only in main hand. That is the nerf I was talking about.

That's not a nerf, that's always been the case.
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#18 Aug 24 2012 at 1:51 AM Rating: Excellent
There was a glitch for a short time where the stats for a Relic weapon would work in the offhand, but that's the only case of that happening. Having an Empyrean weapon in the offhand would never give the Aftermath because you wouldn't be able to use the weaponskill to activate the Aftermath. There was never a time where you could get the Aftermath to work with the weapon in the offhand, nor could you ever get the Aftermath to work for the off-hand attack with the main-hand using the Empyrean weapon.
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#19 Aug 30 2012 at 3:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Indeed Vlorsutes is correct. All of my posts that had anything to do with using relic or empy for offhand for the effect are examples of once every blue moon where I don't know what I'm talking about in the case of ffxi. OAT katana for outside abyssea and the kamome inside abyssea for offhand are my weapons of choice. Obviously Kannagi for mainhand. Though I wonder if anyone out there has tested which is better for offhand damage wise. OAT katana or STR katana?(For outside abyssea only ofcourse). The OAT does look cooler as a plus, for all you TMNT fans out there beisdes myself, I'd think you would agree.
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