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#1 Jun 29 2011 at 8:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Hello,

I am going to start doing Sobek soon for Kannagi and want to know if it can be duo'd. I can go NIN or THF, both with full +2 sets and my friend will be going WHM.

Has anyone done this before with much success? If so what did you do?

Thanks.
#2 Jun 29 2011 at 10:06 AM Rating: Good
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I'm definitely not the best person to answer this, but I'll shoot anyway. Sobek has an instant death move called Tyrant Tusk. While it can be reduced in effectiveness by using death resist atma, it's still a risk. Add to the fact that iirc Petrify resets hate, you'll have several chances where your party(who I'm assuming will be a WHM) will have all the hate, and if you're weakened that will probably be worse.

Still, I'm sure it can be done. Just will be risky.
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#3 Jun 30 2011 at 5:39 AM Rating: Good
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Easily done WHM/NIN + NIN/anything(DNC for stun). If Tyrant Tusk K.O.'s you, then just mijin gakure to get unweak. Of course, this relies heavily on your 2hour being up. Usually not a problem if you farm lights before hand.
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#4 Jun 30 2011 at 11:06 AM Rating: Decent
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What are you looking to stun? Just the ga's or can you stun Tyrant Tusk?

#5 Jun 30 2011 at 12:53 PM Rating: Good
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Stun tusk, its the only thing you need to worry about. NIN/DNC and WHM/BLM. or NIN/WAR and WHM/BLM if you can count on them enough.
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#6 Jul 13 2011 at 2:34 AM Rating: Good
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Violent Flourish can be sucky though. I'd love so much for it to be 100% stun.

From wiki as i'm ready to fight Sobek myself, and seems pretty self explanatory if this is correct:

■Tyrant Tusk: A front-conal ability that deals varying damage and inflicts Bio . Sobek's Tyrant Tusk will K.O. the target if the target's remaining HP would result in being 50% or lower (orange) from the damage. (e.g. a tank with 2400 HP will be K.O.'d if Tyrant Tusk would have done 1200 or more damage)

■Awful Eye: Single Target ability which inflicts Petrify and Enmity Reset on player. Avoidable through turning.


Further Notes
■Due to the random nature of damage dealt by Tyrant Tusk, HP food, gear and atmas (Atma of the Sanguine Scythe) are recommended for tanks. 2800 HP or higher is advisable to avoid K.O. (assuming adequate healing support). Tanks unable to achieve this HP or excessively low man (solo) groups may benefit from death resistance (Atma of the Einherjar, Shadow Ring), although this is not as surefire as having enough HP.


All that info without even reading throough the testimonials (which are all apparantly sh*t). Tanking on NIN would probaly need Ebon Hoof as your HP atma (or even better, the one you get from completing Abby-altep in its entirety), coupled with RR/GH or RR/Apoc if duo. Looks fairly easy for a 3-man team, very easy for a 4-man team assuming same gears as OP.

Ofcourse, all that is just unqualified info from my half as i'm yet to start killing for skins, I will be using nin thf blm whm with thf to only land TH and tank/hold incase of a mistake/bad luck.
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#7 Jul 13 2011 at 10:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Duo is very rough and risky just finished mine and nothing worse than losing a pop after winning the war to get guk claim. Man it was painful seems everyone was doing sobek and many times 3x up at once being killed by 3 separate groups. It wasn't fun at all lol....

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#8 Aug 19 2011 at 2:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Best and safest to have 3 chars.

1st char to tank/kill Sobek.

2nd WHM/BLM to cure your sorry butt and stun.

3rd THF for Treasure hunter / Kill peiste adds and backup tank should you get hit by K.O WS move.

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#9 Oct 14 2011 at 5:52 PM Rating: Good
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Another necropost, durf~

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■Tyrant Tusk: A front-conal ability that deals varying damage and inflicts Bio . Sobek's Tyrant Tusk will K.O. the target if the target's remaining HP would result in being 50% or lower (orange) from the damage. (e.g. a tank with 2400 HP will be K.O.'d if Tyrant Tusk would have done 1200 or more damage)


I don't know about anyone else, but I think all this HP-dependent stuff going on wiki regarding Tyrant Tusk is crap. It's not a particularly damaging move when it doesn't KO; many is the time that I've been KO'd by it when I was at full HP, when the damage from the move would not have even dropped me to yellow HP. The condition is definitely NOT being dropped to orange HP; I've seen it used on people already in orange HP and they lived. I think it just has a chance to KO, simple as that. Other than stunning it or outrunning it (possible if it casts something like Blizzaga right before using it, and you've already started running while it was casting), I don't think there's any real preventative measure.

I'm also not convinced that Resist Death atmas or Shadow Ring would help for it either. Do they ever take effect against any other instant KO moves, like Mortal Blast or Extremely Bad Breath? If not, I don't really see any reason why they would help here. The fact that Tyrant Tusk is only a chance to KO unlike those other moves isn't enough to say for sure that the atmas help. I was under the (possibly mistaken) belief that the atmas/ring would only help against the actual spell Death; can anyone say otherwise?


At any rate, this might be unnecessary info by now, but I would think that nowadays DD+WHM with Apoc atma could duo this relatively easily even if Tyrant Tusk did kill the DD; if it becomes necessary for the WHM to tank for a bit, he should be able to easily stand up to anything Sobek can throw at him if prepared/geared properly, aside from another Tyrant Tusk KO. Get Shell and Barblizzard back up on the DD as soon as possible, and I would think he could still fight it while weakened without being 1-shotted by Blizzaga.

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#10 Oct 17 2011 at 2:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Tyrant Tusk is very much HP vs dmg based. When I first did Sobek I did not have all my hp abyssites and I did run into getting KOed. So I made a point of getting my last couple before making the big push for my kannagi. Once I had all my hp abyssites I farmed my remaining 48 skins. I was never KOed with full hp or close to full hp. Twice he got me but this was after he had just -ga IIIed me so my hp was down quite a bit. For those couple times I simply got up 2hred and continued. I was nin/war on those kills.

I did dual box quite a few, my recommendations would be go nin/dnc for stuns, use AoA and have full suite of hp abyssites. Ultimately I got more use out of stunning annoying ga spells rather than Tyrant Tusk. I had my whm go whm/thf on those dual box kills just for some TH action.
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#11 Oct 17 2011 at 6:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Get your Merit Abyssites (this should be higher priority anyway), keep your HP capped at all times, stun Blizzagas, and you'll never die to Tyrant Tusk. Easy stuff.
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#12 Nov 25 2011 at 1:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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I guess this is a bit of a necrobump, but hey why not.

I solo'd the majority of my skins for Kannagi as Nin/Dnc, and I can confirm 100% that I was never K.O.'d by Tyrant Tusk as long as my HP was maxed. The key is to get your max HP at 3000+ and keep it there during the fight. Assuming you have all the abyssites, the best way to accomplish that, imo, is by eating Carbonara and wearing Meridian ring.

Other than that, there aren't any tricks special tricks to soloing Sobek. It's just an annoying fight, made even moreso by the fact that he can't be solo'd NIN/THF like Briareus can.

Here's a tip: If you are gonna solo any Empy weapon upgrade NMs like Cara, Briareus, or Sobek, a good way to get the most bang out of your time is to shout for TH and offer 50k and/or the +2 items.

And of course you need all the healing temps from the NPC (lucid potions 1 & 2, dusty elixir, lucid elixir 1, healing powder). Getting the guerdon abyssites, which give some of those items upon receiving visitant status, is a time-saver.

Edited, Nov 25th 2011 2:37am by Balthazaarr
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#13 Dec 09 2011 at 4:49 PM Rating: Good
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Can easily be taken by whm and ninja. Ninja has to be somewhat decently geared with 3000+ hp. I would go with something like Razed Ruin + i think its called impregnable tower for hp and either another hp atma if u still dont have 3k+. if you do gnarled horn or whatever suits you. Keep migawari up when possible as an extra backup.

Edited, Dec 9th 2011 5:50pm by Sukiyakia
#14 Dec 11 2011 at 7:56 PM Rating: Good
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I duoed all of mine as THF + WHM. It's easy, just keep your HP as close to max as possible, and if you die, just apoc RR right back up and get back to it. Even if you're weakened it's not very hard to finish it off. You'll probably get killed by the stray -ga spell or any other tusks that come afterward, but just get back up and kill it.
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#15 Dec 11 2011 at 10:30 PM Rating: Decent
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if you die, just apoc RR right back up and get back to it. Even if you're weakened it's not very hard to finish it off. You'll probably get killed by the stray -ga spell or any other tusks that come afterward, but just get back up and kill it.


Apoc zombie toss is not a viable strategy, unless your goal is to piss and moan when somebody comes along and takes it from you, as they should.

Seriously, lol.
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MACC is a joke, any job with access to mage gear can hit close the MACC cap on legion mobs, which is why my BRD/RDM can land slow/para/blind despite having only 150 skill (from /RDM.)
#16 Apr 11 2012 at 11:49 PM Rating: Decent
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My friend and I duo'd this for his Kannagi and his Almace. We have done easily over 100 runs for this thing (I am partially done with my own Kannagi as well).

Our setup was Nin/war and me as WHM/SCH.

Barblizz, Barpara, Auspice, Pro V Shell V, Aquaveil, Stoneskin at the beginning of the fight.

Keep the tank hasted, regen IV, and keep his HP out of yellow, MAKE SURE to erase BIO after Tyrant Tusk each time, and it's not a bad idea to (Stona first, obviously) then Erase Dia from Awful eye. You should have no problems assuming your WHM is competent. Hate really isn't an issue so long as you are quick to Stona Awful Eye (it's a hate reset). Keep barblizz up and just time cure bombs correctly for Blizzaga IV and even if he Tyrant tusks after Blizzaga, the NIN should be able to eat it without dying. It's a fun fight for WHM's because if you screw it up you're just giving free skins to the people watching. I think at one point my friend was tanking 2 Sobeks because another party wiped to him and we still didn't die. It's simple just keep the tank fully healed (afflatus solace), Stona quickly, and erase BIO (I feel that's pretty important when dealing with tyrant tusk).

We've done this 100+ times DUO with zero casualties. It's a very easy fight if your WHM knows what's what. No need for /nin if you use Atma of Allure, Atma of Undying, MM. I went /sch the entire time and had zero issues with hate, taking dmg from Sobek, etc. Stay out of AOE range as well. Shouldn't have a hate issue if they are fast like I said, Nin /war for provoke and damage. Didn't do any procs were only there for the skins. I think by now it can be done in my sleep.

Ninja didn't use any death atmas. Straight up DD atmas I believe RR, GH, AA (incase something did happen). I think it's pretty silly if you need to use a death or HP atma on Sobek. WHM {Please check it} if that's the case.

Edit: The part about Blizzga 4

Edited, Apr 12th 2012 1:52am by FearlessWHM

Edited, Apr 12th 2012 1:55am by FearlessWHM
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#17 Apr 06 2013 at 3:28 PM Rating: Decent
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hmmmm, how about solo?
#18 Apr 13 2013 at 1:28 PM Rating: Decent
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guess its not possible on nin, anyone try on bst?
#19 Apr 13 2013 at 8:05 PM Rating: Excellent
It is possible to solo Sobek on Nin/Dnc. It's very susceptible to Violent Flourish, and Kurayami, Hojo, and Jubaku can keep it pretty well crippled otherwise. Save your Violent Flourish for -agas, make sure to turn away when it does Awful Eye to avoid petrification (though your evasion on him should be good enough that it wears before he can do any real damage to you physically), and make sure to keep your HP at or near cap to reduce your chance of getting hit with the instant death effect from Tyrant Tusk.

When I was soloing him, my Atmas were Razed Ruin, Sanguine Scythe, and Apocalypse.
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#20 Apr 14 2013 at 2:43 PM Rating: Decent
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thanks for the tip, its way more fun to solo on nin then on bst lol.
#21 Apr 14 2013 at 2:44 PM Rating: Decent
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pretty much like bri, just stun its moves and we good to go.
#22 Apr 15 2013 at 4:42 AM Rating: Default
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He dies in 15 seconds with kaustra. Can even do two or three sobeks i one jaa timer
#23 Apr 15 2013 at 7:33 AM Rating: Excellent
RPGguru specifically asked whether or not Ninja could, then asked if it was possible on Beastmaster. Besides, I'm certain that if he were going to go solo it, that he'd want to do it on a job that has a high chance of success rather than one that, for starters, absolutely needs their SP ability to win, and can easily get tripped up. Scholar MIGHT be able to solo it quicker than any other job, but the conditions have to be so perfect for it to do so that it is easily one of the worst jobs to use if you wanted to solo it. A Ninja, a Beastmaster, a Puppetmaster, etc can solo it easily and effectively most every time they fight it.
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#24 Apr 17 2013 at 2:13 PM Rating: Decent
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tried on thf/dnc went pretty good until double TT, cant stun em both. same thing as dnc/thf. got it down to 10% and another double TT. just bad luck?
#25 Apr 17 2013 at 2:14 PM Rating: Decent
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kinda want TH for 2 skins, but ended with 0 skins dohhhh. so i guesss 1 is better then none lol.
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Professor Shock Vlorsutes wrote:
RPGguru specifically asked whether or not Ninja could, then asked if it was possible on Beastmaster. Besides, I'm certain that if he were going to go solo it, that he'd want to do it on a job that has a high chance of success rather than one that, for starters, absolutely needs their SP ability to win, and can easily get tripped up. Scholar MIGHT be able to solo it quicker than any other job, but the conditions have to be so perfect for it to do so that it is easily one of the worst jobs to use if you wanted to solo it. A Ninja, a Beastmaster, a Puppetmaster, etc can solo it easily and effectively most every time they fight it.


Are you clueless or just like sounding smart but show how little you know how jobs work. There is absolutly nothing that can go wrong with a sch casting kaustra and run away for 10 to 30 seconds. This is the easiest nm to kaustra in abby due to him being a lizard and weak to dark. Put blink and stoneskin up. Use mab temp. Pop regen 5. If your truely worried you will die in 10 to 15 s3conds dont even run. Just pop off your job abilities before you pop off the nm. Use fantastic if your scared. Cast kaustra. By the time fanastic wears sobek is dead even if he 8s there beating you down for zero dmg.

He got zero skins. I did him over 120 times and no loss of a fight ever. First almace for me then an empy for a friend. Its a 100 percent win and a isl gives you ja back. And he could pop off three sobeks one by one in three minutes.

Please never play sch. I am sure if you do you will be a whm wanta be. Trying out keep up healing. But never understanding the things you can do to make ab6 farming easy. He has sch job so use it.

Atma cosmos mm and ultimate. Dark weather and a staff. Good luck.

Maybe i should make a video of this to show everyone how killng him is easier than killing an easy prey mob in that zone. Tell me how windower video works and i will dedicate the video to you. Making you my student and to teach you how to play the job well.

Edited, Apr 17th 2013 10:58pm by kimjongil76
#27 Apr 18 2013 at 7:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Honestly, ppl are making it sound way more complicated than it is. I have duo'ed PLENTY of Sobeks as NIN/WAR + WHM/BLM. It's a cake-walk. WHM stuns Tusk. Not a big deal. As mentioned, if the NIN has over 3k HP and the WHM keeps them topped off (Regen IV + occasional cures), Tusk won't kill the NIN even if it doesn't get stunned. It's honestly WAY easier than this discussion makes it seem.
#28 Apr 19 2013 at 12:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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kinda want TH for 2 skins, but ended with 0 skins dohhhh. so i guesss 1 is better then none lol.


If you're going to solo it, you're better off just going with the guaranteed one skin and doing it Nin/Dnc. With as many times as I've done him and other Abyssea mobs, TH doesn't really seem to help in getting that second drop when you're counting on it.

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RPGguru specifically asked whether or not Ninja could, then asked if it was possible on Beastmaster. Besides, I'm certain that if he were going to go solo it, that he'd want to do it on a job that has a high chance of success rather than one that, for starters, absolutely needs their SP ability to win, and can easily get tripped up. Scholar MIGHT be able to solo it quicker than any other job, but the conditions have to be so perfect for it to do so that it is easily one of the worst jobs to use if you wanted to solo it. A Ninja, a Beastmaster, a Puppetmaster, etc can solo it easily and effectively most every time they fight it.


Are you clueless or just like sounding smart but show how little you know how jobs work. There is absolutly nothing that can go wrong with a sch casting kaustra and run away for 10 to 30 seconds. This is the easiest nm to kaustra in abby due to him being a lizard and weak to dark. Put blink and stoneskin up. Use mab temp. Pop regen 5. If your truely worried you will die in 10 to 15 s3conds dont even run. Just pop off your job abilities before you pop off the nm. Use fantastic if your scared. Cast kaustra. By the time fanastic wears sobek is dead even if he 8s there beating you down for zero dmg.

He got zero skins. I did him over 120 times and no loss of a fight ever. First almace for me then an empy for a friend. Its a 100 percent win and a isl gives you ja back. And he could pop off three sobeks one by one in three minutes.

Please never play sch. I am sure if you do you will be a whm wanta be. Trying out keep up healing. But never understanding the things you can do to make ab6 farming easy. He has sch job so use it.

Atma cosmos mm and ultimate. Dark weather and a staff. Good luck.

Maybe i should make a video of this to show everyone how killng him is easier than killing an easy prey mob in that zone. Tell me how windower video works and i will dedicate the video to you. Making you my student and to teach you how to play the job well.

Edited, Apr 17th 2013 10:58pm by kimjongil76


I have played Scholar and I play it quite well, because for one I'm well aware of flaws that it has (just like every other job has its flaws). Your method to defeat Sobek or other Abyssea NMs is very quick, but it's easily the riskiest of all jobs that can solo it. If it dies to the DoT while unclaimed, then you lose your drops. If your skillchain gets interrupted at any point, then a good chunk of your Kaustra damage is lost, and that opens up the chance of something happening that might result in you losing. The first step in becoming good at a job in this game is learning and accepting what their weak points are, and you're not doing that when it comes to this "strategy" of yours.

I've went out and killed Sobek before on Scholar just using Kaustra, just to see what it was like, and needless to say I wasn't impressed by it. Yes, it was quick, but I instantly saw the inherent dangers to soloing him that way, and I wouldn't risk killing Sobek on Scholar again because I have other jobs that I know can solo him with far less risk.

In my personal opinion, if he's in a situation where he has to solo Sobek, then Ninja is the better job to use for many, many reasons.

I pose this question to you. As a whole, the FFXI player base play jobs based on what works. Sure, you get the "unique snowflake" every once in awhile that wants to play a job in some unique way, but as a whole, players play their jobs in the manner that is considered the best for that job. Ninjas, for example, weren't meant to be tank jobs, but people saw the potential of that job to be able to be an effective tank, and quickly adopted it as a tank job. Prior to nerfing the enmity of their songs, Bard was an effective tank on HNMs because of how much enmity their songs could pull, and people quickly adopted them as a tank job for as long as that lasted. I could continue on with listing examples, but you get the point. If this melee/Kaustra-oriented play style was as good as you make it out to be, why isn't it considered the norm for how Scholar is played nowadays? Scholars have been able to do what you've been doing for months now, so it's not a matter of it being something that others haven't looked at yet. People don't play Scholar that way because they know that, when it comes to damage dealing, they're better off just nuking than doing some elaborate skillchain/Kaustra combo.

Edited, Apr 19th 2013 2:40am by Vlorsutes

Edited, Apr 19th 2013 2:43am by Vlorsutes
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