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#1 Mar 27 2011 at 11:29 PM Rating: Decent
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So I am considering taking up NIN for low man Abyssea stuff but I have to wonder what the costs of ninjitsu are these days and how you guys offset this.

I have always wanted to play NIN in the past but the cost of doing so has always been a turn off and I don't want to have to farm for hours just to afford to play NIN for a couple of hours. The reason I am bringing this up is that it seems like there are so many NIN running around that maybe the cost isn't so bad anymore?

So my questions are:
Do most of you craft your own tools?
Does curor/dominion notes vendoring provide you with enough to maintain NIN?
Just generally curious as to how so many people are able to afford NIN these days.
#2 Mar 28 2011 at 2:24 AM Rating: Good
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Its because of so many nin's that in my opinion the cost has gone up. Adding to that the 4 new spells which see high usage (and tool use), I spend more now on nin tools then I evev have done.

Saying that, I would'nt call the cost a problem. Money can come in from many sources, and although the primary farm of abyssea is exp and R/Ex items - if you actually set a session for farming gil, you can make a lot. There Dom ops parties too and using the credits/cruor for gil items etc.

Theres also Nin tool expertise, but I guess thats up to you.

The cost for me has definately gone up, but so has the ease of making gil.
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#3 Mar 28 2011 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
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I easily subsist on just gardening income to take care of the cost of consumables.

I happened to already have one mule with Woodworking and Alchemy at 60, so I made some Shihei and Sairui-ran myself. When the market price of Shihei was around 100k for a stack of toolbags, synthing the Shihei myself was a worthwhile way to save gil, even though I can only HQ it 25% of the time. Technically, I'm probably coming out ahead when I HQ Black Ink and buy Elm Logs cheap. I could probably sell the Black Ink and Bast Parchment at market price and simply buy the Shihei and still be just as well off.

I noticed that a stack of Shihei toolbags were down to 70k on my server now. It's probably still somewhat worthwhile making my own. But I'll have to re-analyze the market when I start running low on shihei again.
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#4 Mar 28 2011 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
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svlyons wrote:

I happened to already have one mule with Woodworking and Alchemy at 60, so I made some Shihei and Sairui-ran myself. When the market price of Shihei was around 100k for a stack of toolbags, synthing the Shihei myself was a worthwhile way to save gil, even though I can only HQ it 25% of the time. Technically, I'm probably coming out ahead when I HQ Black Ink and buy Elm Logs cheap. I could probably sell the Black Ink and Bast Parchment at market price and simply buy the Shihei and still be just as well off.

I noticed that a stack of Shihei toolbags were down to 70k on my server now. It's probably still somewhat worthwhile making my own. But I'll have to re-analyze the market when I start running low on shihei again.


It's been awhile that I crafted shihei honestly. I recently paid 80k for a stack of toolbags and I'm not sure that's worth it. However, I remember that getting the fish to make ink isn't always feasible either. I hate to say it, but the RMT were the main supplier of the fish used to make ink. Upon coming back to the game, I'm not sure where the ink is coming from now. The bast parch has a set value from the npc so I'm not really worried about that. However on my server, I seen wind crystals jacked up to 4k a stack which is mostly due to no more bird parties in ToAU. My mule just sold 20 stacks of wind for 4.5k each.

For reference to anyone reading this, here is the cost analysis of shihei.

wind crystal= 1-4k average per stack depending on quantity in AH.

Ink depends on the fish. Ahtapot's are cheap, but they only produce 2 compared to a Gigant's 6 NQ yield. Gigant on my server sells for 6k per fish. So that's about 1k per ink if you don't HQ.

You can buy bast parch as low as 810G if you get there before the crafters jack it up. You need 2 per synth so that's at least 1620G if you buy them from a npc. If you choose to synth the logs, each one from the npc vendor costs at least 1378G if you're lucky. That's also not counting the water/tea leaves plus the lightning crystals too. It's probably easier and cheaper to stock up on bast parch from a npc unless you get extremely lucky.

If my math is correct:

1k for crystals for a NQ stack of shihie.
3k per stack of fish for NQ ink
4860G for a stack of NPC NQed parch shihei

So if you don't HQ, that's 8860G for crafting a NQ stack of shihei. On my server, a single non-tool bag version of shihei is 11k. A pack of 12 bags on my server ranges from 75-80k. By the way, it's 106,320(12 pack) if you don't HQ any at the standard rate of 8860G.

Levi and Phoenix seem to be the only severs that shihei isn't that expensive. Levi was selling for 51-55k. Phoenix was around 60k. Almost every other server is 70+k.

I should note that the ink is the easiest to HQ and earn some savings that way. Without being a master woodcrafter, the HQ rate is too low to HQ shihei well enough to save any real money. That is true unless shihei jumps over 100k on the AH.

#5 Mar 28 2011 at 12:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Obviously Shihei is the biggest expense, however I notice that no one is really mentioning the other tools at all.

Is the cost for everything other than shihei rather negligable?

Secondly, based off what you guys are saying, since some of the shihei materials are npc purchases...it is really only worth it to make your own once the cost is over about 80kish?
#6 Mar 28 2011 at 1:02 PM Rating: Good
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
Ink depends on the fish. Ahtapot's are cheap, but they only produce 2 compared to a Gigant's 6 NQ yield. Gigant on my server sells for 6k per fish. So that's about 1k per ink if you don't HQ.

I could go out and fish Nebs to make ink. But a few weeks ago when I synthed my surplus of Shihei, even buying the Nebs off the AH and making Black Ink was a decent profit maker. You can hit 50% HQ on that synth with just lvl 55 Alchemy. It might not be worth someone's time to level Alchemy to 55 just for that (cost is fairly cheap, and can even be profitable to get Alchemy that high). But if you already have Alchemy at 55+, then buying Nebs to turn into Black Ink can be a pretty decent choice (largely depending on the market on your particular server, of course).

SatyrofTitan wrote:
Obviously Shihei is the biggest expense, however I notice that no one is really mentioning the other tools at all.

Is the cost for everything other than shihei rather negligable?

I wouldn't say negligible. But that's the tool you'll use the most consistently, regardless of what you're doing. If you're soloing, you may wind up also casting blind/para/slow. To conserve pack space taken up by tools, I keep Sairui-Ran for blind and use the universal tool for para/slow. Similarly, I keep Tsurara on hand for Hyoton and use the universal tool for the other 5 elemental jutsus.

Since the universal tool can't be crafted, you have a fixed cost with them. I pull with Blind and build Azure with Hyoton Ni and San, to conserve my universal tool usage.

SatyrofTitan wrote:
Secondly, based off what you guys are saying, since some of the shihei materials are npc purchases...it is really only worth it to make your own once the cost is over about 80kish?

The price point where it becomes better to synth rather than buy shihei is going to depend on a lot of server specific and even player specific details. How much is Black Ink, and the fish to make it? How much is Bast Parchment? Can you get Elm Logs from one of the Carpenter Guilds at a really low price on a somewhat regular basis? Can you make better gil/hour doing some other activity to the extent that you would be better of doing that activity and buying your shihei, rather than spending the time to make it yourself?

I set up a spread sheet using Open Office to figure out my cost for making shihei. You can download it at:
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0By-GamudUjDwN2RkNWJlMmYtYmJiNC00YTc2LWEyNDMtM2Y5ZTg0MDE3ODIx&hl=en&authkey=CO7S24IJ

I just set up the Google Docs account, hopefully it works. The formulas are set up based on the HQ rate I expect given the skills I have available on my characters. So you may need to adjust them.
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#7 Apr 05 2011 at 5:41 AM Rating: Decent
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i personally craft shihei, and just use universal tool for everything else: the inventory space you save this way can be used to farm augmented item in gold chest in aby, which are GOOD EASY and FAST money
i'm on NIN 100% of my playtime, i love spamming ninjutsu but my money is just going up! aby > all
#8 Apr 05 2011 at 7:17 PM Rating: Good
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SatyrofTitan wrote:
Obviously Shihei is the biggest expense, however I notice that no one is really mentioning the other tools at all.

Is the cost for everything other than shihei rather negligable?

Secondly, based off what you guys are saying, since some of the shihei materials are npc purchases...it is really only worth it to make your own once the cost is over about 80kish?


For the most part, except when soloing, the cost of other tools is fairly negligable. In an alliance setting someone else tends to take care of most debuffing, but it's easy to go through a lot solo.
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