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#1 Feb 14 2011 at 7:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Did any of you try the MDB katanas? since lots of nms in abyssea just like to spamm ga spells and magic aoe i was thinking about trying one, but i'd like to have some suggestion before a spend the next week looking for water weather...
does a +20 mdb help in reducing magic dmg? i suppose mdb + some mdb atma and some mdt- equip here and there could help minimizing cures on monsters where evasion is little to no usefull, since 100% of the time your shadows will be down for an aoe
so anyone gave a try?
#2 Feb 14 2011 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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If it was an NM that only casts magic and never does physical attacks (e.g. the Tier 1 elemental VNMs in Heroes zones), it might be worthwhile. Even then, unless you plan to fight them repeatedly, I don't think I'd want to put the effort into making one or two MDB Katanas.

If it's an NM that does physical attacks along with casting magic, I would rather stick with dual evasion katanas, and just macro in -PDT armor after shadows are wiped or -MDT armor when I see it casting a -ga nuke.

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i suppose mdb + some mdb atma and some mdt- equip here and there could help minimizing cures on monsters where evasion is little to no usefull, since 100% of the time your shadows will be down for an aoe

If your shadows are going to be down "100% of the time", I would think evasion is still useful, provided the NM performs physical attacks.

Edited, Feb 14th 2011 12:06pm by svlyons
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#3 Feb 15 2011 at 3:37 AM Rating: Good
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I vote no.

Limited inventory. If you are a NIN only main, and you play no other job, then 1 MDB katana will go well with Oupire's Narigatsune katana with -5% magic damage.

If you are like the rest of us and have multiple jobs [even if NIN is your main] you'll find this to be never used, and hardly worth the time and inventory space.
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#4 Feb 16 2011 at 4:17 AM Rating: Good
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A pair of -PDT's, +MAB's, +EVA's are superior.
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#5 Feb 16 2011 at 9:31 AM Rating: Decent
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sure but fighting something like Amhuluk or Turul some mdb could be helpfull, i hardly get hit by his physical attacks, casting new shadows right after aoes, so the main source of dmg is magic, 2 MDB katanas should be around -20% dmg right?
Sandmaster what u use PDT- for? Hundred Fists?
#6 Feb 16 2011 at 9:56 AM Rating: Good
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The main reason I have considered one is laziness. My PDT set looks like this:

Arhats Head +1: 6%
Arhats Body +1: 9%
Twilight Torque: 5%
Darksteel hands +1: 2%
Dark ring: 6%
Dark Ring: 6%
Dark Earring: 2%
Dark Earring: 1%

That's 37% right there. I have 2 PDT katanas as well. If I use one I get up to 47%. Here is where my laziness comes in:

IF (and that's a big if) I get off my **** and redo ASA legs, and IF the PDT katanas get 2% more of a boost over the next 2 upgrades, I can do this:

PDT katana: 12%
Arhats head: 6%
Arhats body: 9%
Twilight Torque: 5%
Darksteel hands: 2%
Dark ring: 6%
Dark ring: 6%
Asa Legs: 4%

That's 50%. I can then change my dark earrings to mermans ears and fill in my MDT with this:

MDB Katana: 12 MDB
Twilight Torque: 5%
Dark Ring: 4%
Dark Ring: 4%
Mermans Ear: 2%
Mermans Ear: 2%
Lieu Sash: 2%
Lam Kaman +1: 2 MDB
Lamia Mantle +1: 4 MDB
Shell V: 27%

So that's 46% Magic damage taken with an additional 18 MDB.

So my laziness comes in to play that I could use the 50% PDT set at the same time as the 46% MDT/18MDB set and only have one macro to push for both PDT or MDT depending on what the situation calls for.


The bottom line is that for non Hi ninjas, the difference in a PDT or MDB or EVA or ACC or STR katana is negligible since STR and accuracy are capped in abyssea. The damage/delay is the same and while the requisite stats help some, the PDT or MDB katanas are really very close inside of abyssea. So if you wanna be lazy like me and practically afk in maxed PDT and MDT at the same time while tanking practically anything it is an option.

Disclaimer: This is what I do 2 boxing for +1 seals while I watch Anchorman. I don't turtle it up during events.
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#7 Feb 17 2011 at 2:29 AM Rating: Good
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Dark ring: 6%


I've seen a cople of ppl with a pair of these - Just out of curiosity, how exactly do I get them?
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#8 Feb 17 2011 at 10:06 AM Rating: Good
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Sandmasterr wrote:
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I've seen a cople of ppl with a pair of these - Just out of curiosity, how exactly do I get them?

Gold chests in Abyssea - Konschtat.
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#9 Feb 17 2011 at 6:27 PM Rating: Decent
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So my laziness comes in to play that I could use the 50% PDT set at the same time as the 46% MDT/18MDB set and only have one macro to push for both PDT or MDT depending on what the situation calls for.


That is sexy.

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Dark ring: 6%


I've seen a cople of ppl with a pair of these - Just out of curiosity, how exactly do I get them?


A lot of luck or very efficient low-man -ga farming.
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#10 Feb 17 2011 at 10:16 PM Rating: Good
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Dark ring: 6%

I've seen a cople of ppl with a pair of these - Just out of curiosity, how exactly do I get them?

A lot of luck or very efficient low-man -ga farming.

If you don't low-man when you farm for gold chest, you're asking for trouble. I've been spending a lot of time in Abyssea Attohwa lately, trying to farm WAR and BLM AF3 boots. To get the right mix of TEs and small gold chests with items, you need just the right amount of azure and amber lights. If you get too much azure, you get too many blue chests and not enough gold chests. If you get too much amber, all you get is large gold chests with the more powerful temp items or NM popping KIs. You want about the same amount of azure and amber light. But you don't want them capped, since that sticks you with a bunch of big gold chests.

If you bring along too many people, it gets difficult maintaining that right balance of lights. When multiple DDs pile onto the same mob, it increases the likelihood of getting ruby kills. Even if those ruby kills only happen "once in a while", they can add up over an extended farming session and really mess things up.

If you do go with multiple melees, it's best to have each one solo their own mob. Start by building up to a medium amount of both azure and amber off of ephemerals (enough to get TEs and a decent ratio of gold to blue chests), and then ONLY get pearl the rest of the time.
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#11 Feb 18 2011 at 3:22 AM Rating: Good
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If your not capping Azure tho, TE is very rare. So for the Dark rings to pop, how much amber is needed? presumably not a lot if its an NPC item.
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#12 Feb 18 2011 at 5:49 AM Rating: Good
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Sandmasterr wrote:
If your not capping Azure tho, TE is very rare. So for the Dark rings to pop, how much amber is needed? presumably not a lot if its an NPC item.


Why would you not cap azure? Doesn't that defeat the entire purpose of going to farm gold chests.......?

Take 1 BLU or 1 BLM with you to help cap azure as quickly as possible [other magic jobs can work fine as well, these are best because of quick magic kills, and ability to sleepga for farming.] Cap it on 5-10 eph mobs. Do the pearl solo on VNMs, while the BLU or BLM azure. Then do amber whichever way you choose. About 10 Amber is best. If you cap amber you will get more KI's than just pure item chests.

1 NIN will of course, be able to cap all lights with no problems, it will just take much longer. 1 solo NIN = 30 to 45m to cap lights. 1 NIN and 1 BLU or BLM = 10-15m to cap lights. My recommendation is to bring a magic friend, and a healing friend [or db a whm] and cap lights asap. Main problem will be lack of mobs, and time spent killing/pulling. 1 or 2 friends [or a db] will help alleviate that problem.

Edited, Feb 18th 2011 5:50am by Palides
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#13 Feb 18 2011 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good
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Maybe I was capping Azure and not aware of it. The information I've been able to find is that you cap each light at around 30, and I started seeing TEs as early as after 2 ephemeral murexes, which are listed on wiki as giving light strength equivalent to somewhere between 7 and 10 lights. So either light cap faster than 30, ephemeral murexes give higher than 7 to 10, or you don't need capped azure to get TE.

Making matters more complicated are abyssites of destiny and kismet. I have one of each.

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If your not capping Azure tho, TE is very rare. So for the Dark rings to pop, how much amber is needed? presumably not a lot if its an NPC item.

You may not need a lot of amber if the only issue was the quality of gold chests. However, lights also affect the frequency with which you will get that kind of chest. If you have capped azure and very low amber, most of your chests will be blue chests. If you want a good mix of both gold and blue chests, you want your amber light to be a close 2nd to azure.
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#14 Feb 18 2011 at 11:49 AM Rating: Default
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svlyons wrote:
Maybe I was capping Azure and not aware of it. The information I've been able to find is that you cap each light at around 30, and I started seeing TEs as early as after 2 ephemeral murexes, which are listed on wiki as giving light strength equivalent to somewhere between 7 and 10 lights. So either light cap faster than 30, ephemeral murexes give higher than 7 to 10, or you don't need capped azure to get TE.

Making matters more complicated are abyssites of destiny and kismet. I have one of each.


You appear to be misinformed...

Dark Rings are in Kons, which is a visions zone. There are not ephemeral murexes in Vision zones, and thus in Kons.

Each Ephermal you kill in Kons will be about 3-5 azure. Again, my recommendation is to take 1 magic job with you, have them go kill Ephemeral Lumules/whatever the other mob is that escapes my vocabulary right now, and you to kill 5-6 T1 VNM to cap perle. You will have capped lights within 10-15 min, and then the only thing that will stop you is your kill speed, and your travel time/pull time to the next mob. Its a simple matter to either aeolian edge, cyclone, or blade: yu for your amber. About 10-15 amber is best for items. Any more and you will get more large chests than small chests [which will have your dark rings.]

Do whatever you like, but that will maximize your item output, and minimize your time input.

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If your not capping Azure tho, TE is very rare. So for the Dark rings to pop, how much amber is needed? presumably not a lot if its an NPC item.

You may not need a lot of amber if the only issue was the quality of gold chests. However, lights also affect the frequency with which you will get that kind of chest. If you have capped azure and very low amber, most of your chests will be blue chests. If you want a good mix of both gold and blue chests, you want your amber light to be a close 2nd to azure.


Cap azure. Cap pearl. Get about 10~ amber.


Edited, Feb 18th 2011 11:49am by Palides
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#15 Feb 18 2011 at 2:33 PM Rating: Good
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Palides wrote:
You appear to be misinformed...

Dark Rings are in Kons, which is a visions zone. There are not ephemeral murexes in Vision zones, and thus in Kons.

I was using Attohwa boot farming as an example because that's where all of my gold chest farming experience is from. If I had anecdotal information to share about farming a visions zone, I would have shared that instead (or perhaps, in addition to). But I don't.
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