NIN/MNKFollow

Sorry if I missed an existing thread on this. Who is using /MNK now that we can get Counterstance? Can you give your thoughts on it? I'm wondering if I should take the time to level it from 12 to 49.

I'm sure it would be an ok sub for spamming Chloris.

/MNK is my preference now. NIN has a naturally high evasion inside abyssea, even in TP gear. You sport +90 AGI with cruor buffs and gnarled horn, which is +45 evasion before you even decide to gear for it. While not enough to hit the evasion cap, even against tier 2 mobs you generally have a decent evasion rate. Not only that, you have a pretty high chance to counter even if something get's through. Plus you have more HP. Dodge can be up 2/5 minutes. It gives a very noticeable evasion boost.

This sub let's me go nuts without having to worry about anything. I don't even cast ichi on most things, because there is just no need to. I will admit it does lack offensive capabilities, but I just feel like nothing can kill me with it.

Screw fighting stuff in evasion gear. I've never liked it, never will. I know it's better for some things, yadda yadda. I do have an evasion gear set. There's just no need to ever use it as /mnk.

Even with a 50% evasion rate and a 65% counter rate, that's still an 82.5% chance you'll avoid a physical attack to the face. That's better than evasion naturally can be.

Point being, you don't really need to care about evasion too much as long as you aren't floored if you're /mnk.

You have to be trolling.

/WAR: 10% double attack, 15% atk from zerk every 5 min, 10 atk from attack bonus 1, aggressor [not that its needed much at all, but its a nice counter to full time yonin for extra enmity,] warcry [again next to useless, but its still there]

vs

/SAM: 60 tp every 3 minutes, 1 Self SC every 5 minutes, STP 1 and 2.

/WAR completely and utterly demolishes /SAM. The double attack alone would outdo meditate and 1 Self SC during solo play. Add in zerk and full haste, and its not even a close contest. The STP would not even make up for it by a long shot.

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Edited, Feb 8th 2011 11:14pm by Palides

I know where your comming from about /MNK, and your right it is a more then viable sj now, but assuming a 50% Eva rate from the AGL buffs alone is flawed. I don't see anything like that in DD gear, especially in Hero zones, those NM's are notably tougher.

Also, Everytime you have to turn away from the mob, your taking maximum dmg from melee attacks, and that happens way to much. I still think /WAR wins for general tanking utility and /DNC for solo-ing T2's.






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Edited, Feb 9th 2011 4:59am by Sandmasterr

How about /WHM with MM for solo over /DNC? I saw a NIN/WHM solo Durinn last night. Flash/Prot/Shell/RR/SS/Blink/Haste!/Erase/bars/nas, etc. Seems like when I'm /DNC I have to use too much of my precious WS TP for curing myself. MM you can probably spam Cure IV all day long.



Prot would make minimal difference on nins flimsy defence and the way mob dmg is worked out. RR can be put up many ways, blinks no use to a nin, /DNC has erase, and the only useful /na is paralyna which isn't a turning point to /whm.

The biggest pro's is obviously Haste for its great offence and defence, Aquaveil, and cure IV. Cure IV still takes up a mighty chunk of mp though and takes 27secs of 10/tick refresh to get that mp back. Theres obvious potential, but still nothing compared to /DNC - don't worry about spending potential WS tp on cure's. The reason why it works is becasue NIN's DoT is still fairly high from just TP. All a jin does is help you get from A-B quicker.

Atma of Perfect Attendance is also nice for /WHM. I have yet to find anything so difficult that I'm spamming C4 enough to be unable to have enough MP with 5 MP/tic. Full time 11/tic regen (10 from atma and 1 from traits) definitely takes care of the incidental hits that you would take. The 1/tic regain is just icing on the cake. Plus DS C4 is nice as a cure bomb.

Additionally, MDB trait and Shell II take the edge off of some magic damage. Though if there is a really -ga happy mob, stun from /DNC is just flat out better anyway.

I'd also like to point out that while /DNC does have erase, it is a much different animal than /WHM because you can Erase and Cure back-to-back instead of waiting on the long waltz timer.

That and I do worry about wasting TP curing up. 2.5-3k Jin's and 3-3.5k Hi's on NMs speed up the fights by a lot. 35 TP for Samba and 50 TP for a C4 is (essentially) another weaponskill after TP returned by the previous WS. Turning an 8 minute fight into a 10 minute fight adds up to real time lost, more tools used, less seals per hour, etc.

Also, Dia II. It is less potent than a lvl 5 box step but much faster to apply and reapply and doesn't require the JA wait from using steps. It has magic range for pulling instead of ninjutsu range.

That being said, I like /DNC as well.

I 2 box seal mobs when I want more than one drop. For example, yesterday I fought the imp as nin/thf + rdm in uleg 21 times. I wanted smn, pup, cor hands and with a rdm had 3 or more spells covered depending on the day. Did I miss out on yellow most pops? Yes. Did I get to lot every seal instead of just picking one? Yes. Did I have to go farm 4 other mobs for the brd, blu, blm, whm that most people bring with them? No.

Not in every case, but in some cases forgoing the yellow to have exclusive lotting rights is more efficient.

As for Nin/mnk....With no evasion gear Ninja will have 13-43 more evasion points due to skillcaps/yonin. That's a 6-21% hit rate difference on attacks you don't counter (assuming your evasion is neither maxed or min). So if you counter 65% on both and monk has a 25% evasion rate they will counter or evade 74ish% of attacks. The ninja would counter/evade 76-81%. This, of course, does not take into account melee gaiters or if the counter from pants does not stack with the trait you get from /mnk.

I haven't used it on anything of note yet, but we farmed the uleg buffalo as war/mnk + blm +whm. I don't see why it wouldn't work if war/mnk can.

I aggree with Palides, the most annoying thing is watching a nin solo seals. I might be hypocritical however because I use nin to solo popsets, although a ls member is usually happy to come land a ws for me etc. Sometimes thats not available and can take me 3+ mobs on rare occasions for the KI to drop.