Katana Combo ?Follow

Just sitting at work and brain storming a bit, going to get my Nin back up to par. I lvoe War but a lot of my stuff is solo so the Nin is just awesome DD and solo guy.

Anyway I have always been extremely interested in the OAT2-3 weapons, I guess from coveting the Ridill on my War that I would never of been able to get. So I am a fan boy of swinging insanely fast.

I want to build for my main DD build on Nin a Crit Hit build so just wanted to shoot a few ? to the experts here.

I was thinking the Kamome in the mainhand instead of the offhand, because I would also really like the Enchu+1-2 in the offhand. Basically non-stop swinging. My theory behind that is that if I have a high Crit % build and swinging fast it should be a pretty competetive build. I am still working on getting the RR atma for when I am in Abys.

Now for non-Abys areas I was thinking with high Acc and high emnity, having the multiple swings of the offhand would be helpful for DD tanking when playing around and such.

I would also lke to here what combo's you guys are using and why to try to get some ideas going on.

I would love ot get Blade: Hi but from the looks of it that might be out of my reach for a bit. I don't have a hhuge amount of play time and to get enough people to take down all those fights might a real chore. Definately going to start to work in that direction though. thanks for the input.

Which Sekka are you talking about?

And I tried using Wiki and the database her ebut I couldn't find anything on Oirandor?

And you also mentioned the DA path, it would have the same delay as the OA2-3 katana but higher damage of course. You would chose DA 9% over OA2-4 times? THey did extend the enchu+2 to OA2-4 times right?

Is Uzura +1 a decent enough placeholder for Tobi with its +10%dmg on WS ?
It seems easier than the elemental road, being less dependent on day and weather.

Edited, Dec 12th 2010 11:12am by SeeYouTaru

Hello fello NINs. I'm currently working on the kannagi+1/enchu+1(OAT DMG 39 delay 232) as my katana combo. Imo this would be the best or atleast one of the best DD katana combos out there.From what I've heard Blade: Hi is the official Blade: Jin killer.The enchu+1(OAT DMG 39 delay 232) is the joytoyish weapon nins have been waiting for imo. The nms needed to recieve the katanas I mentioned don't seem that tought to take down. I'm curious as to what your opinions are for this combo? I have yet to see anyone else mention this combo in this or previous threads.

This has been discussed before, and lets be honest - The only Ws's that benefit from TP-Bonus's are 1 hitters. Only weapons worth goingthe TPbonus route in game are GKT and GS. Both have high dmg weapons with strong 1 hit ws's via high FTP or high WSC or a combination etc.

For NIN to ever get a 1HIT WS that does massive dmg with a 'damage varies by tp' score, you need either a high DMG weapon (like a 2H) or a FTP multiplier like Blade:Hi's that scales up still with maybe STR or DEX for WSC. Basically, its not going to happen.

For the guy undecided on which path to take, the weapon DMG+ keepingthe WSDMG+10% is best option for nin.

TBF, theres way to many katana to chose from atm, I do aggree thatthe high dmg OA2X is a nice offhand, but so is the Kamome, and easy to get IF your in a NM abyss group. The answer i guess is multiple katana's for the occasion, but in abyss with RR/VVorSA I'd like Kamome offhand.

I am working on the OA2-4 path for /dnc purposes of tp gain and being able to recover quickly if needed. I may be making a mistake but I think it will be a nice benefit to e able to fully use the /dnc tools we now have available to us.

Well, if you want an immediate boost for your solo/DD work, you can buy an Ich-an from the AH. Its Lv. 87, 46 Dmg, 227 delay, +4 STR +4 EVA. They arent terribly expensive, and you can get two. I'm not a math-wiz, so maybe someone will say the difference is marginal at best and save your money. I would like to pick one up, and use it until I finish my Kannagi, or at least a WS ToM and off hand Kamome.
Not sure I want to do too many ToM katanas that serve the same purpose(DD). Kannagi/Kamome is my current goal, so if I ToM anything else, its probably gonna be MABs or AGL/EVA katanas.

One thing to bear in mind regarding Kamome: if you're using Atma of the Sanguine Scythe for whatever reason, critdmg+ will be capped from your atmas alone. In that situation, you'd be better off not using Kamome.

HP-: Major vs HP+: Major... Migawari is great and all but there are still situations where that HP spread will get you killed. I'm not saying it's the best choice in all situations, only that there are situations where you may want to use Sanguine Scythe and in those situations Kamome, Loki's Kaftan, and Qirmiz Tathlum should be swapped out for something else.

Also... If you're talking straight DDing, that should be RR + VV + GH for non-Hi NINs. Not sure what the best DPS combo is for Kannagi/Tobi wielders, but the above would make a nice general-purpose setup for them as well since the regain is nice for speeding up !! procing.

Edited, Dec 14th 2010 2:17pm by Beleren

Forgot about Gnarled Horn. Yea that would be hot.

I think you mean GH FOR Hi nins, and not for non-Hi nins? The crit rate and 50 agi and all.

That would explain it lol. Yeah, as mentioned it caps at +50%.


GH would definitely be the second atma for Hi NINs, with VV being the one you'd potentially swap out in most situations. Non-Hi NINs would still benefit from Gnarled Horn as a third atma, but if I had to swap out an atma in this situation I'd probably swap out GH first rather than VV.

I've been using Kamone and Twilight Knife (offhand), my dagger skill was pretty low, but once I got it around/over 300 I became a nonstop hitting machine. Throw in haste and march, and to quote someone in my shell: "It looks like you're having a seizure." I imagine there are other/better options that can outparse Kamone/TK, but it's is a pretty potent combo nevertheless and a fairly easy one for any NIN to put together. Another option in the low delay route is Oirandori, higher base damage and would go well with either Kamone or Twilight Knife.

Edited, Jan 21st 2011 1:57pm by twofli

currently use tobi+2/agi+9 sekka+2. I have a uzura+2 stp version which i use sometimes as well cause it gives me 10.5 tp per attack round versus 9 when i off hand something else. Hopfully this week ill get Sobek katana and atma.

I can't really explain it further, but to include the DA proc i'd just be lazy and go 12.6*1.1 = 13.86.


Obviously dps is a poor way to rate weapons and the bonus stats are never applied, and things like ws dmg are obviously higer with a high dmg katana even though a low dmg katana might have superior dps.

Question i'd like to know is whether the occ2x stacks with DA? If it doesn't then the answer is easy to make, DA weapon would win. /war+brutal+belt+back+ring will take your DA rate sufficiently high/


Edited, Apr 7th 2011 5:00am by Sandmasterr

For any ninja's thinking about making the AGL/Eva Katana's but keep putting it off becasue you think it'll be slow, I just want to say don't - I've put little bits of work into them (couple of hours here n there when log in, or log off) and they are very very easy and relatively quick to make.

You can also cross trials aswell if you want to make a pair to speed things up even more: these are the trials that cross paths.

Once you finish the 2nd trial (trial 593) pick up a 2nd katana to start the same path. You can do the 1st and 3rd trials at the same time targeting lizards, or as you might be fighting lizards under ice weather, just wait and do the 3rd trial while your killing the Fungars for the 2nd trial.

After you finish Diremites x200 for the first time, get your 2nd katana onto that trial and you can do Diremites and vermin killer during wind weather/day at the same time as Diremites are vermin. Diremites is the most annoying part of the trials due to slow re-pop time but once their done its smooth sailing to the end.

A very easy set of trials, if i'd known earlier I would of made them much earlier. 2x High dmg, low evasion katanas with nearly 50EVA on your weapons. They are a difference maker.

Edited, Apr 11th 2011 7:51am by Sandmasterr

I have had very nice results using Oriandori/Kamome with Twilight Belt/Epona's Ring. Within Abyssea I use GH/RR/Apoc. Almost half done with Briareus and have stashed about a dozen Sobek skin.

The high damage/low delay match is a lot of fun.

I don't know if such a weapon exists. But if you're in game, you can talk to the Magian Moogle and see if the lvl 85 version has a trial. You should be able to look up any subsequent trials and the specs on the rewarded version.

This is just me, but recently all I seem to be subbing is /DNC, but if im not solo i'm with my abyssea friends in a 4man setup. For me now, having the occx2 would be most beneficial, many times more than DA one. Also, inside abyssea the dmg difference in katana's for ws is minimal due to the huge boosts to wsc we get.

Its still very close, but then I start thinking post abyssea, and if /dnc stays my main then occ2x would be the better choice. Also, I'm using 2x Sekka's atm so to me its a wash, but me personally i'd go for the occ2x. It would definately serve its utility, but the main magian katana's imo are still emph/woe/sekka. Blade Hi still does substantially more dmg than jin outside abyssea aslong as the mainhand doesnt miss.

Maybe get some more opinions before chosing.

Kanagi is pretty bad ass outside of abyssea too and s still leaps and bounds ahead of the rest. I can hit Jin's for 800-1.3K norm, my friends hits 1.7K-2.2K Hi's, although as Hi is only a 1Hit ws, if the main hit misses, you'll end up doing just ~300dmg from the off hand hit. That will happen at least 5% of the time. DMG wise though, he just tears through things, especially when he's double damaging his TP hits.

Seriously consider the Eva Sekka, its a very very easy katana to make, and is very effective. You can work on 2 at the same time by crossing certain trials. They really are great weapons. You also have Twighlight Knife for offhand, which drops fairly frequently from Shinryu and easily imo easily beats out Kanome due to the incresaed tp gain and Quad attack.

Even the stage your at now (and I know how long it takes killing all those mobs), but you will easily make 2x Sekka+2's and a grab a Tknife quicker than finishing the final 5 trials you need for the DA weapon. Just throwing it out there neway.

Just finished my Kannagi yesterday (well 85 version, 5/75 on 90 lol) and Blade: Hi just simply put... rocks!

One thing I noticed if you offhand it you still get attributes (+ AGI), off course you don't get Weaponskill or the Aftermath but I knew that already but was surprised you got the agility when Kikoku loses Attack offhand :\

I need to play around with it more, most my testing has been /DNC soloing stuff so far; but owning both Kikoku (90) and Kannagi (85) I can say pretty much that Empyrean destroys Relic by a large margin... granted with work my schedule playtime can be somewhat limited so it took me longer than some people but roughly 18 monthes of 4 Dynamis runs a week (2 characters) to do Kikoku (75) and then another 4-6 monthes of mind numbingly boring trials (this was before they reduced them ><); versus 5-6 weeks of working on Kannagi (85) from beginning to now... that's really kind of sad when you think about it lol

I just wish SE would at least give the + attack and paralyze offhand like it used to ;_;