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#1 Oct 01 2010 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
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Kannagi DMG 52 Delay 210

Tobi+1 DMG 50 Delay 227

What we know: almost nothing. Maybe 1 hit. Its quad damage, and chance of crit on TP%. SC property Grav/Dark. No word yet on WSC mods, or fTP.

What we think: Possible upgrades to both. A +2 is not out of the question as there are many blue boxed armors, or even a renamed upgrade is possible. We don't know so its mainly speculation, but my personal personal belief is that there will be upgrades. It looks like a one hit, and depending on mods/crit could be the NIN's gekko.

What it could mean: NIN becomes a much better DD. Capped haste in any number of gear choices with new empyrian armor +1 and +2. Great Jin set ups already, with the possibility to full time meat [I'm at like 91% with 8/8 katana, pizza and no Anwig Salade on WS.]

I know most posters on Alla don't frequent BG, but there is much talk about Tachi:Fudo and Ukka's Fury atarting arond here: http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/90728-Final-Form-Magian-Weapons/page128

Fudo is 2x damage, and is looking to be a Gekko killer, Ukko's Fury looks promising [as if Wars need another kickass WS lol...] Rudra's Storm for THF could be amazing too.

My questions: Does any NIN out there have Tobi+1 weapon, or are you working on it currently and close enough to tell us anything about fTP or WSC? I'm only 2x Briareus helms, and looking like its gonna be a long, arduous, expensive road for Kannagi, and I want to make sure before I devote the path to it, and not just get the Tobi+1. It looks like the Walk of Echoes Weapons will be the go to weapon for any serious DD about your job.

<3 ya NINs


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#2 Oct 03 2010 at 2:46 AM Rating: Good
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Wouldn't 'Quad DMG' indicate ftp to be 4.0?

If so, it all depends on the MOD's, obviously something like STR70%, STR50% & DEX 50%, or DEX70% would be ideal. A high DEX mod would be great as its obvious a crit quad hit will be good stuff. The dmg I guess will be similar to a jin with 4crits. Doulbe attack's will probaly only add small amounts of dmg compared to the first initial hit as it won't be quad dmg (espeically if its ftp 4.0).

It has potential but its not going to be penta or Raging rush numbers. A consistent 1K WS on VT mobs would be very nice though.
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#3 Oct 04 2010 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
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I'm curious if anyone has this too, or any other one handed weapon with the weapon skills because I want to know if you can use weapon skill offhand. If it's like relic weapon skill it only works in main hand, which is my guess but would like to know for sure if anyone has tested it.
#4 Oct 04 2010 at 4:51 PM Rating: Good
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I'm not sure why you would want to offhand this weapon unless you had a fully unlocked Kikoku? Even then I'm sure there would possibly be other options for offhand DoT and DPS situationally, but that's really the only situation I can think of as the two weapons giving access to this weaponskill will have the 2nd and 3rd highest base damage in the game.

This guy http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Leviathan/Ejiboo on Leviathan has finished the Rudra's Storm THF weapons so you could simply ask him if he has WS access in the offhand.
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#5 Oct 04 2010 at 6:51 PM Rating: Good
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Palides wrote:
I'm not sure why you would want to offhand this weapon unless you had a fully unlocked Kikoku?
This, well short of a few thousand ws kills to finish trials XD But I was interested in the ws mostly, looks neat and if it's decent would be nice to use.

Thanks I will ask them ^..^
#6 Oct 04 2010 at 9:35 PM Rating: Good
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KelgarVlondett wrote:
Palides wrote:
I'm not sure why you would want to offhand this weapon unless you had a fully unlocked Kikoku?
This, well short of a few thousand ws kills to finish trials XD But I was interested in the ws mostly, looks neat and if it's decent would be nice to use.

Thanks I will ask them ^..^


Ah fantastic then! /salute
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#7 Oct 06 2010 at 7:18 PM Rating: Good
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http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/90728-Final-Form-Magian-Weapons?p=4161695&viewfull=1#post4161695
Man I wonder what the mods on this thing is...
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#8 Oct 06 2010 at 7:18 PM Rating: Good
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**** Double post

Edited, Oct 6th 2010 9:19pm by TheOmnicent
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#9 Oct 06 2010 at 10:06 PM Rating: Good
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TheOmnicent wrote:


Lol I spam that thread daily looking for info on NIN weapon, and the few hours I don't it shows up...

If the theory that the Mod for each WS is the accompanying +10 stat on the empyrian, then it looks like AGI will be the mod [STR was mod for SAM and WAR, VIT appears to be the mod for DRG weapon, AGI is most likely the mod for NIN.]

Nin gets a couple of good pieces for AGI: Maat's Cap, Osode, S kote, Hachiryu feet, although there may be better STR pieces for some of those of those slots. NIN also gets some nice Crit DMG+, as well as adding the ATMA's that give DEX+, and Crit+.

4K damage... is hot. Not to mention the Empyrean aftermath of 2x DMG...

NIN DD is hot once again!
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#10 Oct 07 2010 at 1:02 AM Rating: Good
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http://www.ffxiah.com/members/item-sets?id=181629

Could obviously make any number of changes or replacements depending on your gear.

Kannagi's +10 agi, 2 higher base damage, and aftermath of 2x damage will be FEARSOME.

Edited, Oct 7th 2010 2:03am by Palides
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#11 Oct 07 2010 at 6:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Palides wrote:
This guy http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Leviathan/Ejiboo on Leviathan has finished the Rudra's Storm THF weapons so you could simply ask him if he has WS access in the offhand.

I have played with Ejiboo in WoE right after the got Daka+1 (Rudra's Storm dagger). I can confirm when you off-hand this weapon you will not get the ws.

Daka+1 is very competitive. It is the weapon to get for the DD thf who can't afford (or be bothered with): twashstar, mandau/vajra.
#12 Dec 20 2010 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Anyone know how Blade: Hi compares to Jin outside of Abyssea?
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#13 Dec 20 2010 at 1:22 PM Rating: Good
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Lothiriel wrote:
Anyone know how Blade: Hi compares to Jin outside of Abyssea?

Blade: Hi is 4.0 fTP 60% AGI to Jin's 1.0 fTP 30% STR 30% DEX. Hi is two hits including offhand (5.0 fTP), Jin is four (4.0 fTP). Add 0.1 fTP for both for gorgets. Double/triple attack only procs on the first two hits and you're looking at up to 22% DA and 3% TA in both builds (/WAR, Brutal, Atheling, Epona's, Anguinus). This raises Hi's average fTP to 5.6622 while Jin is now marginally less than 4.6622 (would lose one hit on 2x TA procs, very small effect). ~21.5% advantage to Hi.

Now consider WSC and attack. Using a Hume NIN/WAR with STR merits, Bison Steak, and Tobi +2 as our baseline, I'm getting pretty comparable numbers here. The builds I used aren't really optimized (read: I just threw them together for this), but what I used had Jin getting slightly higher attack while Hi had higher WSC, at roughly the same % increase on each. If I swapped out Varangian Helm on Jin for Aias Bonnet, Jin would have equal/slightly lower attack but comparable WSC. This is disregarding weapon optimization for each WS (would probably favor Jin slightly) but you get the point. Hi is ~15-20% ahead of Jin outside Abyssea.
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#14 Dec 20 2010 at 10:14 PM Rating: Good
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Basically why a NIN doesn't need Hi to pwn in abyss. There is obviously a difference, but its not make or break. The two job that benefits most (out of current DD's) from emp ws is SAM, only because the new ws dish out numbers double the best of the rest. The others are all amazing (especially Ukko's fury, wildfire, Victory Smite) but the gap between its weapon related competition isn't as big.



Anyway, these weapons are becomming easier to get each update. At lvl 90, most of a WoE weapon can be done with 2-4ppl. At 95, that gap will increase further so getting these ws's will be like climbing NI to 100 and unlocking the new ws was back in the day. Only difference being, the possible time to complete will be a lot shorter.
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#15 Jan 06 2011 at 5:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey.
Today i got Blade:hi and im looking on some input how to gear for it. Today in pt i used RR/GH and it was doing between 1.8-4.2k on frogs la thiene. My WSset is weak at best(dont have much agi gear since i never needed it before now) and im missing the last lunar so im sure i can push this way higher.
Any suggestion on gear for Blade:Hi and why would be welcomed. I got access to most of the gear ingame so a ideal set is what im looking for. Also i wonder what atma's would work best for nin with it.
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#16 Jan 06 2011 at 6:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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RR, GH, Apocalypse atmas. Will make a gear setup once I get the time. But, Agi, agi, and more agi is what you should aim for.
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#17 Jan 07 2011 at 1:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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stianzz wrote:
Hey.
Today i got Blade:hi and im looking on some input how to gear for it. Today in pt i used RR/GH and it was doing between 1.8-4.2k on frogs la thiene. My WSset is weak at best(dont have much agi gear since i never needed it before now) and im missing the last lunar so im sure i can push this way higher.
Any suggestion on gear for Blade:Hi and why would be welcomed. I got access to most of the gear ingame so a ideal set is what im looking for. Also i wonder what atma's would work best for nin with it.
ty

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/135519

Situational notes: Varangian Helm may beat Maat's/Bersail/AF+1 in the head slot, but only if it doesn't uncap your hitrate. Even when it doesn't uncap hitrate I'd only expect it to win with Berserk down. MKD hat with STR+4 WSACC+15/AGI+4 WSDMG+2% beats both. Tumbler Trunks performed almost identically to Ambusher's Hose in my calculations with Berserk down (easily loses with it up), but Ambusher's were still generally favored. Gorget may be superior to Hope Torque depending on WSC and pDIF. Crudelis Belt should outperform Anguinus slightly with Berserk up (assuming capped hitrate), elemental belt performs comparably to Crudelis. Replace Centaurus Earring with an AGI+ earring if pDIF capped.

As mentioned, RR/Apoc/GH is your ideal DD atma setup.
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#18 Jan 07 2011 at 9:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks guys. Seems ill need to get a whole new set for this ws. So glad i didnt let seiryus kote drop way back when i did it.
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#19 Feb 08 2011 at 10:49 PM Rating: Default
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Yeah, I'm using my Denali Jacket, too! What's the highest Hi you've done? My best is only 5486. I regularly hit around 3800-4200.

For those of you pronouncing it "Blade: High," it is a Japanese word, so it sounds like "Blade: He."

Edited, Feb 8th 2011 11:55pm by YuusakuLak
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#20 Feb 08 2011 at 11:15 PM Rating: Good
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YuusakuLak wrote:
Yeah, I'm using my Denali Jacket, too! What's the highest Hi you've done? My best is only 5486. I regularly hit around 3800-4200.

For those of you pronouncing it "Blade: High," it is a Japanese word, so it sounds like "Blade: He."

Edited, Feb 8th 2011 11:55pm by YuusakuLak


Osode beats it. Loki's trumps both.
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#21 Feb 09 2011 at 2:49 AM Rating: Default
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5.4k isn't that impressive for an empy WS :/ Have had numerous Jin's trump that.
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#22 Feb 10 2011 at 12:00 PM Rating: Default
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NickRomano wrote:
5.4k isn't that impressive for an empy WS :/ Have had numerous Jin's trump that.


Then you haven't fought anything worthwhile.

Blade: Hi is consistently 1k-2k higher than Blade: Jin and I doubt you can hit 5.4k++ on Blade: Jin regularly whereas you will see plenty of Blade: Hi hit for 5.4k

But if you want to believe otherwise, by all means.
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#23 Feb 10 2011 at 4:31 PM Rating: Default
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cyrii wrote:
NickRomano wrote:
5.4k isn't that impressive for an empy WS :/ Have had numerous Jin's trump that.


Then you haven't fought anything worthwhile.

Blade: Hi is consistently 1k-2k higher than Blade: Jin and I doubt you can hit 5.4k++ on Blade: Jin regularly whereas you will see plenty of Blade: Hi hit for 5.4k

But if you want to believe otherwise, by all means.


By no means did I say that I consistantly break 5.4k on things that matter. But I have out-damaged many Tobi NIN's. Hi is basically just Jin v2. Is it better? Yes. But without Kannagi, I don't really think it is worth it. And as for NM's that matter, where in the posters comment that I referred to did it say that they did 5.4k on something worth while?

All I did was say that 5.4k is not impressive, at least its not worth mentioning as a 'high' damage.
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#24 Feb 10 2011 at 9:57 PM Rating: Default
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I completely disagree. Most people don't even break 2k very often even in Abyssea. By the way, I use Kannagi, so yes, I am benefiting from the effects of aftermath for DoT. Also, Blade: Jin cannot WS with itself and form a solid Darkness skillchain, either. It is significantly more useful.

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#25 Feb 10 2011 at 10:37 PM Rating: Good
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Any NIN who isn't retarded will use /WAR though. And not /SAM.
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#26 Feb 12 2011 at 2:09 PM Rating: Good
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I also see most Nin's Jin's fall in the 1.5-2.5K smg range. I'd have to see a screen shot of the 5.4K Jin.
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Don't recall the exact number but I did a 5.5-5.6k Jin in a pickup Bluffalo party a while back, not particularly well geared at the time. Hi definitely averages significantly higher in Abyssea though, especially since you're capping dDEX whereas you probably won't with Hi outside Abyssea.
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#28 Feb 17 2011 at 11:44 AM Rating: Default
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Oh, for pure numbers, /WAR is better. But /SAM might be better overall damage since I'm capping crit damage. I have done 999 Attack with /WAR, though. But... more WS and Skillchain bonus on solo Darkness is **** with /SAM. Can easily do over 10K consistently this way. It really depends on what I'm doing, though.
#29 Feb 17 2011 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
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Are you really talkiing about /SAM?

A slight increase in WS frequency VS your melee and ws dmg suffering. I guess your probably just trolling.
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Sandmasterr wrote:
Are you really talkiing about /SAM?

A slight increase in WS frequency VS your melee and ws dmg suffering. I guess your probably just trolling.


I wouldn't take them seriously. I refuse to believe the game would give a Kannagi to someone that really thinks /SAM is viable for NIN.
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NickRomano wrote:
I refuse to believe the game would give a Kannagi to someone that really thinks /SAM is viable for NIN.


Full Aurore NIN with Kannagi. :)
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Full Aurore NIN with Kannagi. :)


I would just have no words to be able to explain how that could even be possible. Obviously its easy to semi-explain why there might be a Toki nin currently wearing full aurore as it mihgt have been the first thing they put there time into since returning to the game or suming.
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They must be trolling.
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#35 Jun 02 2011 at 2:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Curious to know people's gear set up for Blade: Hi. I saw one posted a while back but this is a relatively old thread. If you've got it, please post what you've tested as your best gear for it. Do you go for pure AGI or mix of that with ATT etc...

Edited, Jun 2nd 2011 4:42pm by firecracker
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#36 Jun 02 2011 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
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In abyssea it's pretty much all crit damage and agi, this is because fstr and ddex are capped. Outside you'll want to prioritize a little more dex and str if you're fighting voidwatch type mobs - against EP mobs your abyssea set should work.

FFXIAH Hi set

I forgot to mention that double attack and triple attack outdo agi in some situations.

Edited, Jun 2nd 2011 7:48pm by Msthief87
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