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#1 Aug 30 2010 at 5:02 AM Rating: Default
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Otherwise known as Blade: Hi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXgcA3iLbFY

(Last one in the clip)
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#2 Aug 30 2010 at 7:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Looks like a one hit, which could be fantastic.

Also looks like fire elemental WS (and the name implies it) which could be terrible.
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#3 Aug 30 2010 at 7:43 AM Rating: Decent
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On second look, looks like a 2 hit. So yeah. Not expecting much.
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#4 Aug 30 2010 at 8:09 AM Rating: Decent
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It looks to be same animation as Blade: Ten, which is single-hit.

I also checked on the Japanese video, and the name of Blade: Hi in Japanese is simply 秘 (hi), which is not the word meaning fire 火 (hi). This hi means secret. So fingers crossed it's not another elemental WS.
#5 Aug 30 2010 at 11:16 AM Rating: Decent
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might as crappy as yu, which without changing from normal gear does 214 for me. woot
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#6 Aug 30 2010 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
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NIN ws's will always be minimum of 2HITS unless you stop using Dual Wield.
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#7 Aug 31 2010 at 6:24 AM Rating: Good
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you mean two swings, i miss things :p
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#8 Sep 01 2010 at 3:32 AM Rating: Good
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yeah, either way, no 1H weapon job has got a great 1HIT super STR Mod ws, unless they make Nin the first.

Ideally, Blade: Baboom with fTP 5.0 STR70% - give us one of the deadliest ws's in the game for a job that more than deserves it. At least our weapon DMG would limit it to the extent you'd be lookin at consistent 1k-2k ws's.
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#9 Sep 01 2010 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Sandmasterr wrote:
Ideally, Blade: Baboom with fTP 5.0 STR70% - give us one of the deadliest ws's in the game for a job that more than deserves it.


Supposing 140 STR ( fairly high, mind you. Not even sure NIN can get that much )

70% of 140 is 98
Base D 44 ( Main on a Usura ), 40 ( off on a elemental katana)
fSTR is 12 (capped )

Base D for main hand would be 154. For offhand would be 150

With 5.0fTP you are looking at 770 base D on main Hand, 150 base D on off hand. Thats 920D base

Both are modded by attack.

Ie: Not gonna happen.
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#10 Sep 02 2010 at 4:45 AM Rating: Decent
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With 5.0fTP you are looking at 770 base D on main Hand, 150 base D on off hand. Thats 920D base


I know lol - which is why i said consitent 1k-2k dmg, I also know sadly its not gonna happen - but it wouldn't break the game if it did. It would just turn a job that has taken sh*t for years on end into argubly the next best Top DD. Even when merits first came about, and it was NIN's, MNK's, WAR's, DRK's, thf's etc, - Nin's still took 3rd place behind WAR's and MNK's which are still top tier.

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#11 Sep 02 2010 at 5:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Sandmasterr wrote:

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With 5.0fTP you are looking at 770 base D on main Hand, 150 base D on off hand. Thats 920D base


I know lol - which is why i said consitent 1k-2k dmg, I also know sadly its not gonna happen - but it wouldn't break the game if it did. It would just turn a job that has taken sh*t for years on end into argubly the next best Top DD. Even when merits first came about, and it was NIN's, MNK's, WAR's, DRK's, thf's etc, - Nin's still took 3rd place behind WAR's and MNK's which are still top tier.

SE owe US.

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I believe it will take them about as long to fix NIN and THF as it did for them to fix BST.


THe real problem for nin is that the 2handed adjustment took 2 handers a bit too much ahead of 1 handers, and as our atributes grow due to new gear and more levels it will just get worst. And NIN was never the strongest 1 handed DD in the first place.
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#12 Sep 03 2010 at 11:23 PM Rating: Default
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THe real problem for nin is that the 2handed adjustment took 2 handers a bit too much ahead of 1 handers, and as our atributes grow due to new gear and more levels it will just get worst. And NIN was never the strongest 1 handed DD in the first place.


Beyond joyeuse/ridill WAR's, and hardcore ripped Axe/joy war's, it kinda was. On merit level stuff, and at least before the 2H update.

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#13 Sep 04 2010 at 7:15 AM Rating: Good
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The power of those 1-shot WS's has less to do with the number of hits and more to do with their pDiff bonus's. SAM's Y/G/K has a relatively low fTP but the 2.0 attack cRatio multiplier makes it almost always cap attack. Even if they give NIN's a 75% STR 1 hit (2 with off hand) WS, the low D on main hand weapon combined with no pDiff bonus would make it kinda suck. The need to introduce a good 4~5 hit WS that doesn't have crap modifiers (Ku).
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#14 Sep 05 2010 at 3:09 AM Rating: Good
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The power of those 1-shot WS's has less to do with the number of hits and more to do with their pDiff bonus's. SAM's Y/G/K has a relatively low fTP but the 2.0 attack cRatio multiplier makes it almost always cap attack. Even if they give NIN's a 75% STR 1 hit (2 with off hand) WS, the low D on main hand weapon combined with no pDiff bonus would make it kinda suck. The need to introduce a good 4~5 hit WS that doesn't have crap modifiers (Ku).


Then the problem there, is multi-hitters crit or not need high amounts off attack to hit for decent numbers - you know if your not getting those attack buffs at most it'll be a Jin+1.

I can't really see NIN havin a good ws the way SE makes them atm because of their low dmg rating like you said and only way to get around that is to have large ftp for a 1Hitter or sexy WSC mods for a multi-hitter.

Maybe give NIN Sneak Attack?


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Beyond joyeuse/ridill WAR's, and hardcore ripped Axe/joy war's, it kinda was. On merit level stuff, and at least before the 2H update.


They wern't though really, we only pared Ridil war's and 25% haste BB Mnk's with the U/U combo with 40% DW before the change to the TP floor.

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#15 Sep 05 2010 at 11:01 PM Rating: Good
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Needing high amounts of attack / accuracy is something lots of other staple WS need.

Raging Rush / Kings Justice
Penta Thrust / Drakesbane
Guillotine
Rampage / Vorpal
Danging Edge / Evisceration

GAXE gets Steel Cyclone which has high WSC and a pDiff bonus with an fTP that is comparable to Y/G/K. RR / KJ will always be better then a 100 TP SC and using a Martials Bhuj is usually seen as LoL. Same with Guilly over Spiral Hell.
SAM only gets away with using a martials weapon on Y/G/K because the majority of a SAM's damage comes from WS. Gimping their basic DoT for a better WS is usually in their best interest where any other job doing that would run into problems.

Really the ~power~ of 2H isn't in their weapons or even weapon skills, its in /SAM and the free +10% haste and +15 sTP their getting. NIN is hurting because SE decided to use inferior DPS weapons for Katana prior to Magian Trials. Really Senj is something like 10.04 after latent break, other jobs got 11~12 DPS along with /SAM. Get better DPS katanas, the OaT one looks promising for off hand with the high D / STR+ one for main hand. Fix Innin and give NIN's another tier of DW and everything should work itself out.
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#16 Sep 06 2010 at 7:03 AM Rating: Good
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Zafire wrote:
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THe real problem for nin is that the 2handed adjustment took 2 handers a bit too much ahead of 1 handers, and as our atributes grow due to new gear and more levels it will just get worst. And NIN was never the strongest 1 handed DD in the first place.


Beyond joyeuse/ridill WAR's, and hardcore ripped Axe/joy war's, it kinda was. On merit level stuff, and at least before the 2H update.



Behind WAR and behind MNK (as MNK can today compete with the 2 handers )

So that leaves nin ahead of... THF on the one handed department. And even that is arguable, because of the piercing bonus against colibri.
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#17 Sep 07 2010 at 12:11 PM Rating: Decent
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It seems SE doesn't really want 1H's to be top DD's, those positions are held for (WAR, DRK, DRG, SAM). If the update tomorrow proves to be a useful one, which will potentially bring back the use of elemental Ninjitsu on the front lines as a way that beats or at least couples the DMG of katana's then Ninja might have a utility again.

For Pty Utility's:

THF: TH whore, hate management, DD
PLD: Tank
NIN: Front line Magic enfeebler/nuker?, DD, Tank
BLU: The most underated front-line pysical/magical DD in the game.
WAR: Nice DD, but their 2H counterpart is usually better.
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