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#1 Jul 15 2010 at 9:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Is it natural to despise the NIN job having only gotten it to Lv.37? Now with the level cap raised I will have to experience NIN all the way to 50 (for the sake of rounding up), but I'd like to know if Utsu: Ni really makes much of a difference to the enjoyment of the job. I literally dinged 37 3-4 years ago then blew myself up, swearing never to touch the job again. I hated it with a passion; however, my friends all assure me that post 37 the job really does come into its own and I'd like to get your opinions.

I think I disliked it so much, purely because of the ignorance people around me displayed expecting a NIN to take no damage at all with only Utsu: Ichi.
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#2 Jul 15 2010 at 11:21 PM Rating: Decent
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I too leveled it many many years ago and also despised it. However, I ended up taking it past 37 and straight to 40, because once i dinged 37, atleast to me, Utsusemi: Ni made it a **** of a lot more fun. And once you hit 40, the Ni elemental wheel is incredibly fun (despite the gil flying out of your pocket). But once again, just my opinion.
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#3 Jul 16 2010 at 12:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's only miserable because people insist on making a <37 nin the sole tank.
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#4 Jul 16 2010 at 4:01 AM Rating: Good
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I also started nin as a subjob and despised it. When I finally hit 37 I stayed with my party because they couldn't find a new tank, and I fell in love right away. I've leveled many jobs into the 50s and none of them could compete with the feeling of pure power I felt on nin in that range.

Edit: Of course, it was all bats and beetles back then. Don't get discouraged if you don't immediately love blink tanking colibri. Just remember to cast ichi during pecking flurry and you'll do all right.

Edited, Jul 16th 2010 3:13am by AniRedMage
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#5 Jul 16 2010 at 6:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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I hate Ninja 1-37.

When it was 37, i decided to make an extra push and bring it to 40 to do the PCC BCNM.

Once it made to 40... well.... 2 weeks and it was 75.



Ninja is hateable 1-37. After 40 its a completely different job. You start to feel you are actually pulling your own weight.

And shadow tanking as nin/rdm while being by far the best DD in the party is just awesome in the 40s.
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#6 Jul 16 2010 at 8:17 AM Rating: Good
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NIN is absolutely terrible to play before Utsu Ni; no lie. I'd say it's pretty natural.
#7 Jul 16 2010 at 9:49 AM Rating: Good
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Agree, pre-37, NIN is easy to dislike. Then you get Ni, and it gets better, and just keeps getting better as you get higher level. 75, to me, is when it really feels like it all comes together, since you basically can ding into like 10% more Haste n' all.

I recall not caring much for NIN when leveling it to 37 - solo it was fun, but in a group I felt like it was hard to do much. After seeing what a properly supported NIN could do on the trek to 75 (LS static, I was on BRD), I made it the next job I took up...though sadly, I didn't have as good support most of the time (it was the last job I leveled in pickup).
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#8 Jul 16 2010 at 11:32 AM Rating: Default
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That's because I guarantee most were playing it wrong. Not to mention bad party building and setups. Nin/War x2 or War/nin having a second tank makes < 37 a joke and neither takes damaging swapping hate every 15 seconds. At low lvl's the best damage you can produce is by Shuriken.

Ninja dosn't change at 37, it's still casting to avoid damage, it just happens less often because now you can alternate.

I've found most people who say they hated it becuase they died so much cuz they sucked. =)
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#9 Jul 16 2010 at 11:43 AM Rating: Good
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That's because I guarantee most were playing it wrong. Not to mention bad party building and setups. Nin/War x2 or War/nin having a second tank makes < 37 a joke and neither takes damaging swapping hate every 15 seconds.


That requires a non-moronic partner.One that is very likely to be leveling a job that he intends to use only as a subjob.

Edited, Jul 16th 2010 5:04pm by TheKhory
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#10 Jul 16 2010 at 1:04 PM Rating: Good
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Yes, NIN is substantially more fun 37+.
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#11 Jul 16 2010 at 4:14 PM Rating: Good
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Ok, thanks for this. I guess my next question would be as I am struggling with Gil atm, should I stop at 40 and make the effort to build up a reserve for spinning the wheel 40-50? I am hoping to get to some BC/KSNM's this weekend to finally get some funds as I can't even afford a stack of Shihei bags atm.
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#12 Jul 17 2010 at 4:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Wheel spinning isn't really "you better do this or you're gimp" territory, that's just something that people with more money than they know how to spend do to show off, really.

Besides, if you're like (most of) the rest of us, you'll be getting through most of the 40s and low 50s (and quite possibly many more levels after that) via colibri syncs. Don't really want to spin the wheel on those (and for the levels under 40 in East Ronfaure [S], you can't anyway)
#13 Jul 17 2010 at 2:14 PM Rating: Good
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Wheel spinning isn't really "you better do this or you're gimp" territory, that's just something that people with more money than they know how to spend do to show off, really.


Ehhh, not entirely true. It's not -that- expensive to do in the grand scheme of things, particularly if you're not leveling NIN as your first 75. Perhaps more expensive now, since fewer people are buying the tools...but it used to cost maybe a few hundred thousand for a stack of toolbags of each type of tool, and that'd more than cover the level range you'd use them in. 'course, in today's FFXI, where anything more than 50k for gear is expensive, it'd maybe seem a bit steep. Back then, it was the cost of maybe one of your decent pieces of gear.

Given the effectiveness in the particular range...it was pretty much the thing to do. Though now, sure, Colibri mobs are generally resistant, and alternatives abound such as FoV solo/duoing, or even leeching a bit in Abyssea alliances and being on chest duty.
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#14 Jul 18 2010 at 12:43 AM Rating: Decent
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I guess I'm one of the few that loved ninja 1-80.
It is very fun imo because you have to WORK.
Paladin is too easy, just sit there n voke, flash, cure yourself, cure someone else repeat.
If you somehow lose hate sentinel. And somebody else takes care of your health.

Ninja on the other hand, everyone else does more damage than you, you barely have any hate tools at your dispoasl, you have to balance dmg gear + evasion gear. You have to pay attention because if you get caught with your shadows down your gonna go down fast. It is far more fun and involving in my opinion. I actually liked it even before Utsusemi:Ni it required me to coordinate with others and be really on precision with shadow casting.
#15Oulanbator, Posted: Jul 18 2010 at 3:47 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If you didn't like the job before 37, I tend to think you won't like it past 37 either.
#16 Jul 18 2010 at 9:06 AM Rating: Good
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Nukes aren't a 40-50 tool. You should have used these before 40, and you should keep using these past 50 as well.


Uhh, no?
#17 Jul 18 2010 at 1:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oulanbator wrote:
If you didn't like the job before 37, I tend to think you won't like it past 37 either.
Your question about "spinning the wheel 40-50" proves it. Nukes aren't a 40-50 tool. You should have used these before 40, and you should keep using these past 50 as well.

Else, you're better playing one of the jobs you levelled /nin for, like war/nin, mnk/nin or thf/nin because these will provide the tools and fun you're after. Ninja won't.


All of this, but negated.

I hated NIN 1-37, and loved it 40+. The elemental wheel is useless before 40 (and after 60). If you like it at 40 you'll probably continue to like it.

However, don't go in with the illusion that NIN is still desirable at 75+, because it isn't. The 2H buff dumped NIN (and THF) into the reject bin for exp, and PLD buffs (and RDMs capping out -interrupt gear) rendered NIN obsolete for endgame tanking, a job which the nerf to hate levels from /drk spells recently finished off. If you love it and you're fine with that, then you can have a great deal of fun with NIN, especially in small groups.
#18 Jul 18 2010 at 8:43 PM Rating: Decent
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However, don't go in with the illusion that NIN is still desirable at 75+, because it isn't. The 2H buff dumped NIN (and THF) into the reject bin for exp

THF is (or, perhaps, was) great at 75, because their stabby weapons tear through the birds everyone merits on, and a THF can get good enough ACC gear to eat meat at birds as well.

NIN at 75, however, was really only good for HNM tanking, and now even that's gone.

*edit* Oh, and more on topic, I actually quite liked getting NIN to 37. It was really challenging keeping up shadows and holding hate with only one slow-casting set of shadows. I solo tanked pretty much the entire way to 37, and quite enjoyed it.

Edited, Jul 18th 2010 10:46pm by Caesura
#19 Jul 19 2010 at 3:13 AM Rating: Good
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Thank you for all the feedback. Just a couple of points I'd like to reiterate though as someone obviously got the wrong end of the stick:

- I'm only taking NIN to 50 as a Sub; I won't be going any higher and 50 just looks better than 49.
- Ele Wheel is not worth it with the Ichi spells. Everywhere I've looked has said the same thing except for you, Oulanbator, but I'm glad you had fun doing it.
- I had no problems with the job itself getting to 37, I think it was just an illusion that the job was **** until then because ignorance reigned supreme and I was invited to PT's and was expected to take no damage. Just a stigma thing I imagine.

Anyway, I finally got it to 40 (did all 3 levels in FoV Qufim) and I have to say I have enjoyed it. Looking forward to 40+ but would like to know if the AF weapons are worth it? I'm still using **** lol.
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#20 Jul 19 2010 at 5:19 AM Rating: Decent
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AF weapons I think are the best you can use right at 40 I believe, but they immediately get outclassed (ever so slightly) by Bokuto +1s at 41. Would have definitely ditched the **** by now.
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Miyozaki wrote:

Anyway, I finally got it to 40 (did all 3 levels in FoV Qufim) and I have to say I have enjoyed it. Looking forward to 40+ but would like to know if the AF weapons are worth it? I'm still using **** lol.


If you are only taking it to 49, dont bother with the AF.

They are good, yes, but it will be much faster if you just buy a couple AH weapons and keep trucking.
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However, don't go in with the illusion that NIN is still desirable at 75+, because it isn't. The 2H buff dumped NIN (and THF) into the reject bin for exp

THF is (or, perhaps, was) great at 75, because their stabby weapons tear through the birds everyone merits on, and a THF can get good enough ACC gear to eat meat at birds as well.


Yeah, I know, by 'dumped in the reject bin' I just meant that the mentality after the 2H buff was very firmly SAM (or /SAM) or GTFO. MNK seems to have survived more or less ok, although MNK H2H has always been misunderstood. BST (and PUP) would have suffered from this, but no one invited them to exp beforehand oh, made myself sadface ._.

Edited, Jul 19th 2010 8:51am by KisharBlack
#23 Jul 19 2010 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
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I brought several BSTs and PUPs to Abyssea yesterday. We were still kicking **** and taking names (until about half of the original group had to gradually leave; that kinda screwed us up) and I still managed 77 @ empty->80 @ full buffer and a full set of 10 merits.

I feel like I did a good deed!
#24 Jul 19 2010 at 1:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Ninja became significantly more fun at 75 with full haste setups and 190 delay weapons. I pretended I was a thief and had a lot more fun than actually playing thief since I didn't need to worry about twirling mobs evading SATA.

Even though I'm very fond of both PUP, I dislike almost every PUP I see with their sad gearing attempts of hybrid DD/tanking/neverusesgearmacros. The new BST jugs seem pretty ridiculous powerful, better damage, duration, and survivability!

PL'd Past bird parties make finishing your subs a joke now anyways so you'll only have to spend a couple afternoons in East Ronfaure and then not have to worry about leveling NIN until you actually want to!
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#25 Jul 19 2010 at 4:14 PM Rating: Decent
I remember pre TOAU I got NIN to 60 for fun and back then 51-60 NIN/BLM was the best combination ever, ever. Not only could you tank better than anything else but with HQ ele staves and wheel spam you could dish out 150-180 damage every few seconds and keep hate easily on crabs without /WAR. Of course you need a BRD or RDM for dispel.

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