What Yonin/Innin should have beenFollow

I was in a EXP party the other day and was asked to DD on my NIN (kinda weird but not complaining, I got quite a powerful NIN dd build if I can focus on DDing) and was using one of the two abilities to increase my accuracy and decrease my enmity.

A thought struck, I think Yonin/Innin should have been one class ability, that decreases your accuracy by 30, raises your enmity by a large amount, reduces the amount of others enmity, and give them a accuracy bonus proportionate to the amount of accuracy lost by the NIN divided along the members. Some may be thinking, if you give ACC to the DD then they're going to do more damage, that's why NIN get a huge enmity boost. I think taking ACC away from NIN is stupid in the first place for using that ability, may aswell put it into the party mates for faster kills.

I figure the timer issue is to prevent nins from abusing their enimty levels.

I agree there shouldnt be any posistioning requirements tho

Are there any good reasons why you want to lose the accuracy and crit bonus on your ranged attacks, hand to hand and great katana? Or are you just suggesting Yonin/Innin should be dual-wield's equivalent of Hasso/Seigan?

I'm pretty happy that I can use a GK with Innin and skill up that way.

I must be the only ninja actually happy about Yonin and Innin. I miss them so much when I sync pre 40.

I agree should be more like Hasso/Seigan; for one thing please make them seperate recast timers so you can switch between either instead of having to cancel and wait 5 min. for it to come back up again... nothing like pullng hate with Innin shortly after using it.

What it really should be is a 1 min. recast on seperate timers, get rid of the directional crap please because trying to position yourself on a mob that turns more than a freak'n record is not fun... not to mention it decays over time to boot which Hasso/Seigan does not; and anyone saying that be overpowered it's really not any more so than Hasso/Seigan. Also since it's going to be used /NIN in the upcoming future (why not, everything else good we have peolpe can just sub...), they should really nerf if /NIN like they did Hasso/Seigan and also only make it work with one handed weapons since Hasso/Seigan only work with two handed weapons I think that is fair enough.

Totally agree about the separate timers and removing the directional BS, at least for Innin.

Personally would be content if they just made it a ninja version of hasso/seigan without decay. SE probably added the decay factor to make the abilities slightly more unique, except in a game this heavily influenced on gear swapping it's stupid.

Honestly haven't experimented enough with them, but if innin's accuracy/critical bonus decreases over time it just makes it that much more worthless. For a game where people have multiple accuracy sets for focus/aggressor/diabolic eye/etc, a non-consistent accuracy bonus isn't helpful. Hopefully innin's accuracy bonus is static, though I doubt it.

Supposedly there was an interview where they said WHM and NIN stances would be trademark, which is pretty silly. WHM's afflatus solace could just be 1/8 stoneskin and not be overpowering, plus misery isn't useful for non-WHMs since esuna/sacrifice etc are all 50+ spells. And considering how little use innin/yonin get from NINs it is doubtful it would make much of a difference if it could be subbed.

It would be nice to get more than just shadows (& DW for THF/BLU/DNC/BST) out of /NIN. A small enmity decrease with some accuracy and critical hits would be awesome for THF, BLU, PUP, MNK, DNC and BST. Really the only issue that I could see being heavily exploited is PLDs using yonin, but you could just nerf the enmity bonuses/( and/or minuses) and have everyone happy.

Two hander's get 10 hasso accuracy on top of their ~20 dex acc bonus, having a subbable ability that could give you a constant 10-30 accuracy with a moderate critical hit bonus wouldn't be overpowering in the least.

I use my NIN for Limbus mostly. I go /WAR for first voke on farm runs and /DRK for Omega/Ultima runs. Its really easy to cap accuracy in Limbus, so I ride Yonin almost full time. I pop it off for mobs which have particularly high evasion, like some of the birds in Apollyon or Carby in one of the Central Temenos's. I really like both abilities. They don't detract from anything NIN could do before, and add situational utility. My only wish for it would be to be on shorter timers so I can switch between modes, or reapply in the event I need to click Yonin off for a mob.