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#1 Apr 05 2010 at 4:50 AM Rating: Decent
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So, i've just finished SAM to 49, and i thought i'd have to level nin to 49 too. I mucked around a bit and hit 38, and now i'm looking to re-gear properly.

Scanning around i saw

Gosha Sarashi Rare/Ex
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Def:2 "Ninja tool expertise"
Lv33 WAR / MNK / RDM / THF / PLD / DRK / BST / BRD / SAM / NIN / DRG / BLU / COR / DNC

I've found the mob that drops it, and i've killed it twice with no drop. The questions i have are:

What is the proc rate like? Is this better than +2%/+3% haste?

It looks rather nice, not something great, but a bit of fun, and should take me to 49 without feeling gimp (if the proc rate is decent).
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#2 Apr 05 2010 at 8:37 AM Rating: Good
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ElvaanMonkee wrote:
What is the proc rate like?

The proc rate is fairly decent, it seems to kick in for me about 1 out of every 5 casts.

ElvaanMonkee wrote:
Is this better than +2%/+3% haste?

I'm sure even +1% haste would outweigh saving the occasional ninja tool.

Edited, Apr 5th 2010 10:38am by Squintik
#3 Apr 05 2010 at 11:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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if you wear that instead of tilt belt from 40-49 (preferably life at 48 but i guess it's just one level), and you're engaging as opposing to spamming the elemental wheel, you should feel gimp. if all you're doing is spamming ninjutsu, i'd think you'd want INT instead of expertise.

wearing something in a slot that normally has decent DD stats to save ninja tools... that's like underlining or adding an exclamation point to the "i don't have any gil" message that wearing bad gear might send.
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#4 Apr 05 2010 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
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i don't have any gil! =D
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#5ElvaanMonkee, Posted: Apr 05 2010 at 12:36 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Its not that i dont have gil, i'm a tad low at the moment from buying a signed cerb mantle +1.
#6 Apr 06 2010 at 1:22 AM Rating: Good
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I've never stopped to question it until now, but when is the Ninja tool consumed during casting, at the beginning, or at the end? Does an interrupted cast consume a tool?

If the Gosha Sarashi could be macro-ed in for the start of the spell and a Royal Knight's Belt (or Druid's Rope) used for the remainder of the cast, then you could save the piddly few gil and not lose 2-3% of your damage because of your tight wallet.

If the tool is consumed at the moment of casting, then a Gosha Sarashi would have to have a pretty decent proc rate to even come out ahead, otherwise the extra spells you'd have to cast to reach the same damage output would just use up the tools you saved.

That said, NIN tools aren't really that expensive (several are very very cheap), so I'd definitely be unimpressed with any NIN who would be willing to decrease his performance in order to avoid ten extra minutes of farming. If you're using the wheel to solo from 40 to 50, though (and taking T mobs to chain 5 solo is going to compete with all but the best parties), then there's no one to impress, and saving a few gil with the belt won't matter. Of course, when you're the only one hurting the mob, the lower damage is even more likely to result in extra casts to compensate.
#7 Apr 07 2010 at 2:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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Caesura wrote:
I've never stopped to question it until now, but when is the Ninja tool consumed during casting, at the beginning, or at the end? Does an interrupted cast consume a tool?


At the end of casting, same as MP being consumed during a spell.

This belt is crap and a total waste of inventory unless you happen to have a Monomi/Tonko macro (and are an extremely cheap person who has way too many useless NIN macros clogging up your pallet).

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#8 Apr 07 2010 at 4:18 AM Rating: Good
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ElvaanMonkee wrote:
Its not that i dont have gil, i'm a tad low at the moment from buying a signed cerb mantle +1.


That doesn't compute for me. You obviously have decent ways of making gil to buy a multi-million gil piece, but you want to wear a waist piece that saves you penny's whilst giving up a slot that could offer you useful stats.

Its not like your a new player and you just farmed up 100-200k for a Hauby and are now gil-less. To buy a Cerb+1 means you have good gear already (if you don't then you should obviously sell it an get all the standard good AH gear for your relevant jobs).
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#9 Apr 18 2010 at 8:16 AM Rating: Default
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If you are like me, you have a gear swap macro'd for nearly every single spell. I would macro this in for any tool based cast and set it to switch out at the end of the cast, like I do with my evasion macro for Ni/Ichi casts. Remember you aren't talking about pennies, you are talking about longetivity. Imagine if you stacked this with the 3 other pieces of NTE gear, you are practically free casting your ninjutsu.

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#10 Apr 18 2010 at 4:54 PM Rating: Good
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If you are like me, you have a gear swap macro'd for nearly every single spell. I would macro this in for any tool based cast and set it to switch out at the end of the cast, like I do with my evasion macro for Ni/Ichi casts. Remember you aren't talking about pennies, you are talking about longetivity. Imagine if you stacked this with the 3 other pieces of NTE gear, you are practically free casting your ninjutsu.

No item is useless if used correctly. Creative macros show us this.


you are wrong. many items are useless. haste is better for utsusemi, and int is better for offensive spells.
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#11 Apr 19 2010 at 10:43 AM Rating: Good
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NTE is a nice perk when it kicks in, but gearing specifically for it is a little silly. Shihei are what 40 gil each? Enfeebling tools are maybe double that, but you don't cast them nearly as much. So what, at a 20% activation rate (if it even is), that saves you on average like 8-16 gil a cast. Whoopee! I guess if you are going for maximum possible efficiency in your game playing its fine if you put it in on Monomi or Tonko.

Honestly though, you could probably leave that inventory slot open for whatever junk is being dropped by what you are fighting and NPC it and come out about equal. For example a stack of colibri feathers is about 1800 gil to NPC, which is equal to 225 casts of Utsusemi if you assume a 20% activation rate on the belt. Its just not really worth caring about when you do the math.

Edited, Apr 19th 2010 12:50pm by JaxReborn
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#12 Apr 19 2010 at 2:58 PM Rating: Default
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JaxReborn wrote:
NTE is a nice perk when it kicks in, but gearing specifically for it is a little silly. Shihei are what 40 gil each? Enfeebling tools are maybe double that, but you don't cast them nearly as much. So what, at a 20% activation rate (if it even is), that saves you on average like 8-16 gil a cast. Whoopee! I guess if you are going for maximum possible efficiency in your game playing its fine if you put it in on Monomi or Tonko.

Honestly though, you could probably leave that inventory slot open for whatever junk is being dropped by what you are fighting and NPC it and come out about equal. For example a stack of colibri feathers is about 1800 gil to NPC, which is equal to 225 casts of Utsusemi if you assume a 20% activation rate on the belt. Its just not really worth caring about when you do the math.


The point is if you stack it with all your other NTE gear and have Yonin up, you can pretty much free cast ninjutsu, lowering those "OH SHIII*** NO TOOLS" moments. It isn't a massive saving, but check this scenario:

- Elemental Wheel
- Ni+Ichi
- Enfeebles
- 6 hour meripo

Instead of carrying 2 stacks of each (assuming you aren't on Coli's) you only carry one stack and you rarely use a tool. Ninja is a very inventory intensive job, NTE just helps cut that down a little.

It won't dramatically alter your playstyle, but if you can .txt macro in a full NTE set just for your ninjutsu casts, and have it switch back to your TP gear automatically after the casts, which I do, you never have to think about it again and it is there working in the background saving you a small chunk of change per fight. Ninja's toss gil at enemies to fight them, NTE just tosses slightly less of it.

On my NIN at the moment, I have 5 separate NTE's (inc Yonin + Merited NTE) and I have been meriting with it for hours (13 merits this weekend + 16 last week total). I am still on my first Shihei stack (41 left) and have barely even dented my spell tool stacks. I do have the Authenticator for the double inv space (which is a massive improvement and has helped me alot) so I am not too fussed, but as I gave away 9 million gil when I quit last time, I am hurting for money. Any option to save a few pennies here and there is welcome.

Yes you won't save a tonne of gil in the short term, but over a few months, you work out your shihei + other tool costs and it is quite considerable. NTE is great in my honest opinion!

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#13 Apr 19 2010 at 4:23 PM Rating: Good
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The point is if you stack it with all your other NTE gear and have Yonin up, you can pretty much free cast ninjutsu, lowering those "OH SHIII*** NO TOOLS" moments. It isn't a massive saving, but check this scenario:

- Elemental Wheel
- Ni+Ichi
- Enfeebles
- 6 hour meripo


OK, I play NIN way more than I would like cause my LS needs it for NIN/DRK tanking or just first voke style DD-"tanking" in Limbus. You could call it my "main" since I spend so much time on it. I NEVER have such "Oh Sh**" moments. Also, why would you cast elemental wheel or enfeebles in a merit party? You would do better to just melee and do damage and maintain shadows. Why would you even cast elemental wheel above level 50? I have Hyoton: San and Hyoton effect fully maxed, it sucks compared to my melee damage, even with a proper build.

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On my NIN at the moment, I have 5 separate NTE's (inc Yonin + Merited NTE) and I have been meriting with it for hours (13 merits this weekend + 16 last week total). I am still on my first Shihei stack (41 left) and have barely even dented my spell tool stacks. I do have the Authenticator for the double inv space (which is a massive improvement and has helped me alot) so I am not too fussed, but as I gave away 9 million gil when I quit last time, I am hurting for money. Any option to save a few pennies here and there is welcome.


That's all well and good, but there are a few things you are probably neglecting here. First, how much tanking do you honestly do in any merit party situation? If you are seriously holding the mob the entire fight, you aren't a good tank, your party just sucks. Second, you probably should not be enfeebling a merit mob, so you only benefit on shihei here, which is a really cheap tool. Third, any situation where you are actually maintaining hate and tanking will benefit more from haste or enmity or INT than from NTE on your waist. Also, if you are hurting for gil so bad you can't bother with NIN tools, just give up. They are ridiculously cheap for the time you spend on NIN, its on the order of food really.
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clarkeyboy wrote:
If you are like me, you have a gear swap macro'd for nearly every single spell. I would macro this in for any tool based cast and set it to switch out at the end of the cast, like I do with my evasion macro for Ni/Ichi casts. Remember you aren't talking about pennies, you are talking about longetivity. Imagine if you stacked this with the 3 other pieces of NTE gear, you are practically free casting your ninjutsu.

No item is useless if used correctly. Creative macros show us this.


you are wrong. many items are useless. haste is better for utsusemi, and int is better for offensive spells.

Macro it in for Tonko/Monomi! That would surely justify the extra inventory space and time spent camping an NM for the belt!
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#15 Apr 19 2010 at 8:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Also, why would you cast elemental wheel or enfeebles in a merit party?


there's a very obvious answer to this. i won't say it because i already come across as mean enough.
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#16 Apr 20 2010 at 9:04 AM Rating: Default
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Is it wrong that I enjoy the tools my job has to use? We more often than not merit on Aura Statues in sky as a group of 4 to farm diorites for the LS. In this case I spend alot of time fighting these mobs, and the elemental wheel is very effective on them.

Sorry for not adhering to your cookie cutter ethics you force upon a job.

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#17 Apr 20 2010 at 4:21 PM Rating: Decent
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It's a macro piece. If you keep it on when you're not casting, you're obviously doing it wrong. If you're just putting it on when you cast (anything but Utsusemi; use a Haste belt for that) I don't see what the problem is, and depending on how much stuff you actually cast you could save some decent money over time.

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#18 Jun 02 2010 at 4:12 PM Rating: Good
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This belt is crap and a total waste of inventory unless you happen to have a Monomi/Tonko macro (and are an extremely cheap person who has way too many useless NIN macros clogging up your pallet).


Sorry for the slight necro post (hey, it was still first page).

I wouldn't say the belt is useless, I'd use it for enfeebles.

TP in it? **** no, it's a macro piece only.

Utsusemi? Yeah, use haste.

Elemental? Well, INT here if you're not using haste.

Enfeebles? It could have a place. I personally typically use NIN for solo, not tanking. Why not macro it in for enfeebles? I'm not really hurting on recast timers there. Since I don't use my NIN very often in party, I wouldn't usually care about something like enmity+. I don't have Koga for M.Acc, and we have no other M.Acc waist pieces.

Another consideration, with 80 cap coming soon, other jobs will get access to Ni elemental magic at /40NIN. It wouldn't be completely crazy to do something like pull with a fast Ni ninjutsu (****, I'd do this on COR/NIN merit pulling). You really don't care about doing damage with the spell, so might as well save a little gil. It's small, yes (enfeebling tools certainly cost more, so I'd care more about those). But whatever, it adds up eventually.
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