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#52 Jan 02 2009 at 10:58 AM Rating: Decent
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I can't think of anything that isn't winnable via ingenuity and skill due to not having one specific item,

Try soloing Jaded Jody on a melee job without evasion gear. Tell me how far your skill gets you there. Gear is important, but knowing how to use it is even more so.

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#53Ayanoki, Posted: Jan 03 2009 at 8:37 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I have played 3 different races w/ ninja all the way to 75 (call me crazy), and yes it makes a difference, alot.
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#54 Jan 03 2009 at 9:28 AM Rating: Good
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...what?

Evasion on high lvl mobs? You're seeing what you want to see.

Vit differences? Vit has long been known to be highly under-powered in terms of reducing damage. Again, you're seeing what you want to - or think you should - see. Ever wondered why good plds don't stack vit anymore? Because they know it makes no difference.

Furthermore, thf isn't needed for "big" fights. /drk or /rdm is. If you can DD it, you can do enough DDing to hold hate (and if you can DD it, then anyone /nin can tank it, so holding hate isn't much of an issue).

I'm sorry, but I find it hard to take your advice seriously, or find merit in it.
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#55Ayanoki, Posted: Jan 03 2009 at 11:14 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Have you played 3 diff races with Ninja, better yet has anyone that you can ask played 3 diff races? More than likely not!
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#56 Jan 03 2009 at 12:49 PM Rating: Good
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Have you played 3 diff races with Ninja, better yet has anyone that you can ask played 3 diff races? More than likely not!



No....but its a lot easier just to punch the numbers into a damage calculator than it is to level a job to 75. And the damage formula (which controls every player vs. mob interaction on the game) says that race VIT differences will make the damage you take differ by SINGLE DIGITS.

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#57 Jan 03 2009 at 12:59 PM Rating: Good
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Are you a troll, or just stupid?

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Have you tanked Kirin or any other Gods with three different races to test VIT vs Evasion? I have and race makes a huge difference! I can tank Kirin straight up with my Elvaan with no worries about dieing until stonega 5 then you simply run out of range.


Years of equations on the topic of "vit does @#%^ all on high level mobs" wants to have a word with you.

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I have tanked Byakko many times with elvaan, and ya you need thfs due to the fact that you do not hit Byakko, and mithra does not last 5 mins due to def drop off.

Of course if you knew anything about ninja you would know before they debuffed the game to your Pee Wee leauge most Ninjas tank gods with PLD set up.


...what? I've tanked him multiple times with mithra and not died. Your point is? You're upset that ninja don't DD tank gods or something?

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Lastly, there is noway as mithra even dressed as a DD can hold hate against a galka DD, but my elvaan can due to the STR buffs.

Besides unless you have played for the last 6 years your idea of ninja is prob diff from mine.. considering todays players have no idea what a skill chain is and waiting for the second voke before planting a WS. Nah they would rather take hate and waste all the healing magic!


Yes, because str matters more than gear, buffs, food, and merits >.> And welcome to the TP burn! People WS early because they're just as capable of tanking an exp mob as anyone else.

Seems that you have no idea how things work. Get with the program or quit trolling.
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#58 Jan 03 2009 at 1:23 PM Rating: Decent
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I can tank Kirin straight up with my Elvaan with no worries about dieing until stonega 5 then you simply run out of range.


It's Stonega IV, he attacks like twice per minute because of all the TP moves he spams, and Mithra AGI is not allowing you to dodge Great Whirlwind, which is most likely going to be what kills you.

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I have tanked Byakko many times with elvaan, and ya you need thfs due to the fact that you do not hit Byakko, and mithra does not last 5 mins due to def drop off.


Wait, you DD tank Byakko?

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Only noobs use sam/thf, drk/thf for hate in sky. Any JP will tell you get 3 thfs and not to worry about sata and all your drops will be full filled too.


Only noobs use SAM/THF, DRK/THF, or 3 THFs for hate in sky. I'm guessing you still start out fights with a series of Spirits Withins too. 2004 called, asked how its strategies are working out for you.
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#59Ayanoki, Posted: Jan 03 2009 at 3:35 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Lay off the dope bro..
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#60 Jan 03 2009 at 3:53 PM Rating: Good
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I tank with Hades Sainti and one thf. What kind of e-peen are we comparing again?
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#61Ayanoki, Posted: Jan 03 2009 at 7:08 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You have a blm taru and a blm galka same everything and both play their job equel, which you gonna invite?
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#62 Jan 04 2009 at 3:04 AM Rating: Good
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You invite blms? o.o

Strawman argument is fail. Blm is probably the only job where race is clearly an issue. Moreover, how often do you get two people with the exact same gear, merits, and playstyle? Never.
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#63Ayanoki, Posted: Jan 04 2009 at 8:37 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) They are exact because I am giving a example of how race does matter. I am sure other readers here will have figured that out or at least hope so.
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#64 Jan 04 2009 at 8:54 AM Rating: Good
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Uh, no. You don't get it, do you? We are talking about ninja, not blm. Race matters on blm because int and mp matter a lot more than str or agi or dex does (I'll ignore vit, because it does @#%^ all with regards to defence).

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Lastly you have to choose a tank Taru, Mithra, Galka tank and headed to sky to tank some gods.. Which are you taking? They all three have the same exact gear, same skill!

Again they are all three exact so that gear and talent are not weighed.


I choose the bacon mage. That's far more likely to happen than three tanks with the exact same gear, merits, skill, playstyle, and other jobs levelled. Your hypothetical argument is bullsh*t, means nothing, and only serves to show how disconnected from the game you are.

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By the way yes... I DO INVITE BLMS to pt... I know how to skill chain!


That's nice, I know how to SC too. Trouble is, most mobs die to a WS + WS + SC combo these days, so a blm is obsolete in exp. Even in a lot of events, SC are obsolete. Unless you're still meriting on Aura Statues, which your way of thinking suggests. Have you been to Aht Urghan yet?
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#65Ayanoki, Posted: Jan 04 2009 at 1:28 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Plain and simple we are talking about race DOES matter and it does not matter what job you play! Race matters, rather its ninja, blm, sam there are races that are better suitable for certain jobs and the point is you and I both know you would not invite a taru pld, nin to tank Kirin you are less likely to have success.
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#66 Jan 04 2009 at 2:52 PM Rating: Good
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Race does matter, but it matters the way that paying an extra 20 dollars for a 1000 dollar item matters. That 20 bugs you because a twenty is a big enough denomination for you to notice, yet other than being an annoyance, it's almost never going to stop you from making the purchase. If you have the money to spend 1000, you have the extra 20. Similarly, if you can do the job on Galka, you can do it on Taru.
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#67 Jan 04 2009 at 3:35 PM Rating: Good
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Ayanoki wrote:
you and I both know you would not invite a taru pld, nin to tank Kirin you are less likely to have success.


If you honestly, honestly believe that race makes that much of a difference, then quite simply, I feel sorry for you.
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#68 Jan 05 2009 at 9:01 AM Rating: Good
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Ayanoki wrote:
Plain and simple we are talking about race DOES matter and it does not matter what job you play! Race matters, rather its ninja, blm, sam there are races that are better suitable for certain jobs and the point is you and I both know you would not invite a taru pld, nin to tank Kirin you are less likely to have success.


You're funny.

Taru PLDs are awesome mostly due to their hugetarded MP. They keep hate fantastically because they always seem to have enough to be able to curebomb/flashbomb themselves back into the driver's seat.

Experience has shown me (painfully sometimes) that one of the most race-indifferent jobs IS ninja; I know Mithras who will blow the crap out of Elvaans easily; Galkas who are dead even with Humes, and Tarutarus that make them all look like pushovers.

It doesn't matter what race you pick, you are able to do the job if you know what you're doing. Proper timing can render anyone, regardless of gear or merits, a contender in nearly any arena. If you knew jack sh*t about how this game works you would understand that.
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#69 Jan 05 2009 at 1:47 PM Rating: Default
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Race does make a *huge* difference! Has anyone been in an exp PT and tried to SAWS a galka? I remember having difficulty seeing the mob, so I couldn't tell if we were lined up. But then again, I think that was back when I was leveling thf in like 2003 when we had a first voke in the pt, then the tank and I would have to line up for SATA.

But seriously, I don't think it makes a difference at all, now-a-days (especially since every exp PT pre60 has at least 2 PL's). Only thing that *might* make a diff (like someone already mentioned), is that I'm thinking of raising my melle dex to see if I crit more. Last PT, I had exactly 100 dex and crit hit 18%. I'm going to play with it, to see if it goes up noticibly with some more dex.

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#70Ayanoki, Posted: Jan 05 2009 at 4:41 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You are clearly talking from a exp party prospective. Take a taru ninja, pld to tank gods, or higher tier COP and they get wasted. Been playing the game 6 years and seen it way to many times. Bar none Tarus tanks get wasted in big fights. But I am sure on your server you have all kinds of taru tanks in Sky tanking gods.
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#71 Jan 05 2009 at 6:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Trolling Alla isn't funny. By the time you stretch believability, you've gone too far over the edge for any inherent humor to remain. Go away.
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#72 Jan 07 2009 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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Ayanoki wrote:
But of course I am sure you are still one of those guys who still believes DEX increases ACC.


MY P.K.E. METER JUST WENT NUTS.

YOU MUST BE GHOST OF TROLLSMAS PAST.

I think we need to cross the streams on this hoser.
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#73 Jan 07 2009 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Haha, galka whm and taru tank in sky



umm taru pld > galka whm for main healer.....lol


and to bun some more 1's and 0's

i have 4 accounts, 1 main is hume, 1 main is mithra, 1 main is taru, 1 main is elvaan. ALL 4 of them have nin leveled to atleast 60 with 2 at 75, pld leveled on 3 of them and ranger on 1. I will say this quite easily. IT DOESNT MATTER.
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#74Ayanoki, Posted: Jan 07 2009 at 4:38 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Glad you could add to the subject considering NONE of your 4 characters NINJA have NEVER tanked in sky or harder fights... Galka PLD vs your Taru PLD in sky vs Byakko, or any god for that matter, Taru does not stand a chance!
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#77 Jan 08 2009 at 1:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Of course if you knew anything about ninja you would know before they debuffed the game to your Pee Wee leauge most Ninjas tank gods with PLD set up


You don't have a F'Kin clue how damage works do you? (dunno why I quoted that, you've said alot of silly sh*t)

The STR bonus from Elvaan will raise your base dmg by 1 over hume (I don't have stats for nin@75, only MNK, but Elv has +5 STR over Hume +8over mithra @75). Even 2fSTR isn't going to make a 'huge difference' its just one of those small bonus's.

The STR,DEX,AGL,VIT differences don't mean sh*t at 75 really, its the HP & MP pools that really make the differences between races at 75.
My advice to you is research what each stat actually does, then you will realise that statments like 'the extra VIT really helped from ...' or 'Mithra's extra AGL really showed when tanking gods blah blah...'.

You need +4 VIT to decrease mob BD by 1. All +8AGL does is give you 4 evasion (and has just about been proven to help with defensive skills like parry/shield/guard.)

I call Bull sh*t to your multi nin's.
I call Bull sh*t to everything you are writing.
Go away and come back once you understand the game mechanics and Ninja.

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#78 Jan 08 2009 at 9:38 AM Rating: Good
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When you get your taru NIN to 75 and tank sky come back and post!

K, done... but sky gods the measure of success? Talk about setting the bar low. I get sleepy when things hit me for ~100 in my DEF gear.

I basically retired from end-game when my first LS disbanded... and people still find me and ask me to tank their HNMs. Go troll something else.
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#79 Jan 08 2009 at 11:40 AM Rating: Good
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Ayanoki wrote:
Glad you could add to the subject considering NONE of your 4 characters NINJA have NEVER tanked in sky or harder fights... Galka PLD vs your Taru PLD in sky vs Byakko, or any god for that matter, Taru does not stand a chance!

When you get your taru NIN to 75 and tank sky come back and post!


I kinda like this guy, he's got gusto.
However, I'm not entirely sure what that means, mostly because I'm not an mafia stereotype.

Taru NINs can get about 1700 HP in HP build.
That is more than enough to (blood) tank anything I can think of.

During a good Byakko pop with competent players (stun order), one doesn't get hit much, and I've had tarutaru PLDs, NINs, and even a MNK dual tank with me before with no difficulty.

In kited fights Tarus are just as good as everyone else or better, depending on subjob (/DRK... MP). I've kited kirin weakened before (near every time I kite kirin actually), and I'm almost positive any taru NIN will have more than 350HP and is able to get utsu up more often than every 90 seconds.
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#80Ayanoki, Posted: Jan 09 2009 at 1:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Massive glad you posted here and finely a post w/o all the name calling. People are taking what I am saying way to serious. NEVER did I ever say a taru could not tank gods. HOWEVER what I am saying is if you want to WIN the fight you would more likely rely on a more reliable race to get the jobs done.
#81Ayanoki, Posted: Jan 09 2009 at 1:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Massive glad you posted here and finely a post w/o all the name calling. People are taking what I am saying way to serious. NEVER did I ever say a taru could not tank gods. HOWEVER what I am saying is if you want to WIN the fight you would more likely rely on a more reliable race to get the jobs done.
#82Ayanoki, Posted: Jan 09 2009 at 1:26 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) haha you are way to funny! SandMASTERRRR are are are, you must have wanted that name really bad. Anyhow!
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#83 Jan 12 2009 at 3:52 PM Rating: Default
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Does it matter no :)

But hey if ur female in rl there i s really only one choice go Mithra :) Its cool looking and its just fun.

Basicly the whole race issue is just not worth it. Be devoted to ur job adjust ur equipemtn and it wont matter. Althoug i have to say being a taru
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#84 Jan 12 2009 at 3:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Does it matter no :)

But hey if ur female in rl there i s really only one choice go Mithra :) Its cool looking and its just fun.

Basicly the whole race issue is just not worth it. Be devoted to ur job adjust ur equipemtn and it wont matter. Althoug i have to say being a tarutaru paladin can have downsides in sky.

Truth is even pimped we sometimes cannnot tank stuff that an elvan can do.

Basicly look at ur char and think of what u want to do. I started out as a mage but became a devoted melee. So you never know what ur going to do in ur life time in FF
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