Atma and Tanking AdviceFollow

I'm sure it's been discussed elsewhere but I couldn't find anything on this. Which atma are best for mnk? Currently I've only concentrated on offense with RR, VV, and GH. Is this the standard while working on Apoc? And when I do get Apoc, which should I sub it for, VV?

After I get better gear for tanking, which ones should I get? Also what's the best approach for tanking nowadays? Should I just /war and counter tank?

I use SS instead of apoc sometimes. If im reasonably sure i wont need the reraise. Quick cast does nothing for my monk, which is usually /war or /dnc. If im tanking something i need shadows for ill just tank it on ninja usually. Which btw, AoA is perfectly suited for.

Atma of the:

Razed Ruins
Voracious Violet
Sanguine Scythe
Apocalypse
Gnarled Horn

AoA... Atma of Ambition? Not sure on that one.

Ohhh, I see lol.

Roaring laughter is ok too if you don't have gnarled horn yet.

Did someone test SS against GH for DPS? Not saying you're wrong at all, and I've been out of the game a while, but +30% Crit DMG seems a little lackluster compared to +20% Crit Hit Chance, +10% more chance to proc Counter (and therefore another shot at a critical hit). SS adds nothing to your DPS if you don't crit whereas GH gives you more chance to crit as well as more attempts at a crit with the added Counter %. Just curious if anyone has done the maths behind it.

Edit: SS wins!

Edited, Aug 1st 2012 7:10am by Diamondis

I didn't sit down and do a long, equation by equation write up, no. But it wasn't a parse or eyeball, I just compared the two on Kinematics' DPS Spreadsheet, which is about as accurate as you can get. You are, of course, more than welcome to compare them as well and let me know if I was wrong.

What happened was GH used to be better until an update a year or so back changed the crit formula, raising the crit damage cap, and put SS ahead. There's posts on the MNK forums about it if I can dig them up.

Spreadsheet was latest download. Gear is good, but not top of the line. Target was Buhkis, good upper-range NM. WS was Victory Smite, Ascetic's won't be that different. Taru MNK/WAR: 16 H2H, 6 STR, 5% Crit, 5 Counter, 5 Kick merits, Bison Steak, Impetus.

TP: 
Vere 90   |          |           | Protestas 
Tantra +2 | Rancor   | Brutal    | Aesir 
Tantra +2 | Melee +2 | Rajas     | Epona 
Atheling  | Black    | Tantra +2 | Tantra +2 

WS: 
Vere 90   |          |           | Thew 
Aias      | Rancor   | Brutal    | Kemas 
Tantra +2 | Heafoc   | Rajas     | Epona 
Atheling  | Black    | Hachiryu  | Tantra +2 

DPS for each Atma setup:

RR, SS, Apoc : 517.115
RR, SS, Alpha/Omega : 511.578
RR, SS, VV : 498.988
RR, GH, SS : 488.971
RR, GH, VV : 467.303
RR, GH, Apoc : 484.869

RR, SS, and Apoc is the best DD Atma setup, and SS+Apoc offer salient tanking bonuses while RR+Apoc offer salient procing bonuses.

Edited, Aug 1st 2012 4:24am by jlejeune

Wow that's a pretty significant jump. Time to change things up.

That's cos u suck bro!

I need to kill him at least two more times with yellow procs for my WAR.

I won't go fight Bukhis unless I get to use NIN (can usually Utsusemi away the Lethal Triclip) or PLD (it has Ochain, and shield blocking prevents cruor buff loss from Lethal Triclip)

I actually hate Quasimodo the most out of all those NMs, to be honest. Out of nowhere Shock Spikes for way more than enough damage to 1-hit kill anyone is not only extremely annoying (and most likely a remnant from the time when Tristitia used to have the same occasional overpowered Shock Spikes, except only Tristitia got fixed and Quasimodo seems to have been overlooked), it probably makes certain Gungnir owners very bitter.

Yes, I know that, but when he goes into resting mode IS pretty much out of nowhere. There is no warning of any kind that he'll do it, he just sometimes does it before doing Shadow Burst, and not always. The only real way to prevent death against it is to turn around after every melee hit+WS when you think he has TP, and that's just annoying to have to do for what's supposed to be a lesser tier NM. I've been killed by Quasimodo more than Bukhis, I think, solely because of those spikes.




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