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#1 Jul 07 2012 at 5:06 AM Rating: Good
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Okay here's the deal. Before I quit in 2010 my Monk was fully merited.

H2H, evasion, STR, all that jazz.

My tier II merits were 5/5 Penance, 4/5 Invigorate and 1/5 Formless Strikes.

After coming back I've been told by some linkshell people that this is all wrong now. That the best setup is 5/5 Invigorate and 5/5 Formless strikes. That sort of rubs me a bit wrong.

Can anyone shed some light here? Thanks.
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#2 Jul 07 2012 at 6:53 AM Rating: Good
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Augmented Melee Gloves +2 will double your HP return on Invigorate to 20/tick if you have 5/5 merits, meaning you'd get 800 HP back from the Regen effect alone.

Thing is, I usually have a good healer with me, whether someone else or a dual box, and if I didn't and I still had to be MNK I'd probably be /DNC anyway if there were any possibility of me dying. So for me, Invigorate is a waste of merits. I went 5/5 on Penance and Formless Strikes without any hesitation. Some people lol @ getting more than 1 point in Formless, but with augmented Melee Cyclas +2 I am doing 90% of my normal damage when Formless is up rather than the base 60% you have with 1 point and no MC+2. Might not use Formless THAT often, but when I do, that 30% difference in damage is highly welcomed.

I have to roll my eyes at anyone who might suggest Penance isn't worth having; it's great. Maybe it doesn't shine in alliance play, like if all you ever did was VW or something, but for any serious fight that uses fewer people, it's an extremely noticeable reduction in enemy TP gain.
#3 Jul 08 2012 at 3:35 PM Rating: Good
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That was my main concern. There's no real situation I can see myself being in on MNK where gimping the TP gain wouldn't be worthwhile.

Regardless of whether *ahem* "everyone has sh*tloads of Subtle Blow now".

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#4 Jul 09 2012 at 1:02 PM Rating: Good
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Formless strike is still super situational, Id go 5/5 inv, 4/5 pen, 1/5 FS for the above reasons as well.
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#5 Jul 09 2012 at 3:12 PM Rating: Good
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I already have 5/5 Penance 5/4 Invigorate and 1/5FS. I'll stick with it as is I think. Maybe I'll put more into FS if I see myself needing it more.
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#6 Jul 16 2012 at 11:39 AM Rating: Good
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... 5/4 Invigorate...


Monks keep breaking sh*t.

And you seem to be doing it right ;)
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#7 Jul 16 2012 at 6:26 PM Rating: Good
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Nilatai wrote:
I already have 5/5 Penance 5/4 Invigorate and 1/5FS. I'll stick with it as is I think. Maybe I'll put more into FS if I see myself needing it more.


Im 5/5 invig 4/5 pen 1 FS and ive never once felt like i needed more in FS. All depends on what youre doing, but FS is just as situational as it ever was.
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#8 Jul 17 2012 at 2:02 AM Rating: Good
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Nilatai wrote:
Okay here's the deal. Before I quit in 2010 my Monk was fully merited.

H2H, evasion, STR, all that jazz.

My tier II merits were 5/5 Penance, 4/5 Invigorate and 1/5 Formless Strikes.

After coming back I've been told by some linkshell people that this is all wrong now. That the best setup is 5/5 Invigorate and 5/5 Formless strikes. That sort of rubs me a bit wrong.


You are oh so right, and the people who told you otherwise are fools. FWIW, your choices are still the standard.

5/5 Penance is the one absolute in Tier II MNK merits. Cutting down TP moves is fantastic, period, and has practical benefit in tons of common situations. Every NM you fight, any Abyssea mob where you want to reduce TP moves to get procs, any mob with a nasty TP move that you'd like to reduce... it's just so, so useful. And a short timer too.

I personally was set up exactly like you in 2010, but after using Formless Strikes nearly never, I dropped it altogether to go 5/5 Invigorate for occasional solo play. I haven't missed it Formless a bit. YMMV with Invigorate, since if you're always with healers it's maybe less of a benefit. But if you ever solo things or have thin mage support, it's a pretty healthy chunk of Regen. But really the only reason to go 5/5 Formless is if you were completely convinced you'd always have mages cure-spamming or casting regen on you, thus making Invigorate useless.

I do not find gimpy non-physical damage on a 10min timer JA very practical. I guess you could pop it for the occasional use against physical resistant mobs, or Invincible. But it's not going to make or break anything, ever.
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#9 Jul 17 2012 at 5:48 AM Rating: Good
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I usually do have healing sources with me, and IMO, things that are either blunt resistant or physical resistant/immune are still common enough for me to have Formless around, so it's not something I would call super situational. But to each their own >_>
#10 Jul 17 2012 at 6:32 AM Rating: Good
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To be honest, if I know I'm going to be in a situation where I will be fighting something which is resistant to Physical damage, I'll probably go WAR. Seems to me that Tomahawk would be a lot more useful in that situation than Formless Strikes.
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I usually do have healing sources with me, and IMO, things that are either blunt resistant or physical resistant/immune are still common enough for me to have Formless around, so it's not something I would call super situational. But to each their own >_>


Even if you like Formless, I think we can all agree that 5/5 Penance is The Right Way, yes?

I'm personally not too enthused about being able to switch from gimpy physical damage (from a resistant mob) to gimpy non-physical damage every 10 minutes, but I get that people might choose that over Invigorate. Someone who might more frequently run into situations with less healing support might prefer Invigorate. That's a fair enough judgment call. The common 5/5 Penance 4/5 Invigorate 1/5 Formless is pretty hard to criticize in my eyes, and some redistribution of Invigorate/Formless merits is reasonable.
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#12 Jul 17 2012 at 3:39 PM Rating: Good
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Im actually going to revise my setup back to 5 pen 4 invig. I used to solo a lot more. In fact i may drop FS altogether. Its really only good when maxxed. And its not worth maxing. So. As much as its fun to be the hero when your group gets lightning elemental aggro....yeah. its just novelty. Ive never felt like it was a make or break ability. But it is fun to use with ursine claws i guess. And lord knows i need every excuse i can find to rationalize making that weapon.

I really do miss that short window of time when footwork monk was king of the hill.

Edited, Jul 17th 2012 5:40pm by Llester
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#13 Jul 17 2012 at 3:50 PM Rating: Good
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Even if you like Formless, I think we can all agree that 5/5 Penance is The Right Way, yes?


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I'm personally not too enthused about being able to switch from gimpy physical damage (from a resistant mob) to gimpy non-physical damage


Thing is, with 5/5 merits and augmented relic body, the Formless hits are not quite as gimpy anymore. Only drops to 90% of your normal damage, as opposed to 60% of normal with 1/5 merits and no body.

It's still not really as noticeable when I'm fighting something with say, -25% blunt/physical resistance (in which case, you wouldn't even be better off using a 1/5 Formless), but when I start entering the territory of -50% or more, things like elementals and whatnot, a 90% Formless is enough to have me cackling like a madman as I pummel things that only other damage types or Twilight Scythe or whatever would have an easy time getting around >_>
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It is fun no dou t. I just feel that it needs to be maxxed to be usedul, and even then, situationally useful. Idk maybe if the cooldown was reasonable. Even then, still situational. Either way, until i max out shijin, everything else is on hold.
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#15 Jul 17 2012 at 4:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I must say, it's nice to have some life and discussion on the Monk boards again.
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Inorite? Could be worse, some of the job forums havent seen action in days. (Edit: weeks actually)

Anyway countdown 4 hrs til i can leave work and start shijin spiraling things. For some reason i predict that it will initially awesome and then suddenly reality will set in and i will realize that only victory smite will satisfy me. God i feel so guilty making my ls slog thru the bs of popping chloris.

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#17 Jul 18 2012 at 8:34 AM Rating: Decent
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WHM forum hasn't seen a post in months.

Funny that the tradition of every post getting rated down is still alive and well though!
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#18 Jul 18 2012 at 11:28 AM Rating: Good
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I kept 1 FS, 4 Penance, 5 Invig. At the time, I either didn't have a pocket WHM and the Regen was salient or enough DDs hit it that an extra 20 secs didn't matter. I haven't gotten around to changing it.

Edited, Jul 18th 2012 11:29am by jlejeune
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#19 Jul 19 2012 at 3:31 PM Rating: Decent
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3 merits in shijin spiral so far and it doesnt suck. It did suck at first. Its fairly consistent damage, so ive been using it in aby over lolbackhand blow, which has higher max damage but can bottom out prettylow.

All that time doing salvage and turns out i should have been doing nyzul!
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#20 Jul 20 2012 at 4:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Backhand Blow? Wat? Crit WS FTW? Doesn't Howling Fist crit too?
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Crit WS do insane damage inside Abyssea thanks to Atma and cruor buffs. Only BHB can crit of our 'normal' WS, i.e. weaponskills up to and including Asuran Fists.

Edit: I actually completely dropped FS in my merits after having 1/5 in it for years and never using it once lol.

Edited, Jul 20th 2012 7:38am by Diamondis
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#22 Jul 20 2012 at 8:31 AM Rating: Decent
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What about the Nyzul WS? I'm on floor 95 atm, will be getting 100 in a few days. Worth unlocking that?
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#23 Jul 20 2012 at 8:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, Ascetic's Fury is pretty much the best Abyssea h2h ws, short of Victory Smite
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Well I finally managed to get the Weapon to drop. I'll get cleaning after I get my BB.
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Yeah ive been slowly climbing nyzul for AF. I had never completed any floors due to being a salvage junkie.

But yeah, once you get some good crit atmas (Razed Ruins is the big one), ascetics will be your go to ws.
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How is it that in a short time after coming back you complete more than I tried to in years? XD I hate you!
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I've been back three weeks. I've accomplished more in those three weeks than I did in 6 months prior to quitting.

I've got a good linkshell full of old friends who do events which pay out gil, which helps! Also they seems to genuinely enjoy helping people out, they're not all WHARGARBL YOU'RE A NOOB.

You should join us Dia! HTFU and come back.
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Don't temp me, you devil! God damn expansion announcement pretty much all but sealed my return... Rune Fencer? F*** YEAH! I came back briefly since a friend decided to return. I paid my month fee, then an extra fee to move back to Cerberus... then my friend decided the game was dead and left -.- I assume, when I do return, I need to buy another pass to move back to Sylph? Whatever. I'll be back fairly soon regardless =P
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I just want to stop in and say I'm also glad to see some activity on the monk forums.

I've been a long time off and on lurker round these parts...Started playing this game when I was very young, so I never really accomplished much. Getting back in to it now and damn if it's not satisfying to DO WORK with old LS buddies finally, lol. My Monk's almost 99, hopefully I'll be doing the final LB tomorrow, so you can probably imagine I have a lot of work still to do as far as gearing / learning about endgame.

I'm hyped though!

And it's good to see I'm not the only one enjoying this game again. :)
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#30 Jul 26 2012 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
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I need to get my damned Beard to drop. Then I'll let myself level MNK to 99. Not before. Smiley: mad
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I am mighty tempted to reactivate just to do something productive with you, Nil. It's been... about 5 years since I actually did something to better myself/my character rather than toss it off in parties just because I had nothing better to do lol.

Edit: Also happy to see some activity on the forums. The level of activity on my 2 home forums makes me a sad BST/MNK.

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