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#1 Jun 05 2011 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
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Hi there, noobie Mnk here.

I recently hit 30 and decided to take a few days off to work on some of my gear in advance. After a day of camping I finally obtained my Boreas Cesti (/joy). I have read up on the stickys and Nilatai's Equipment guide say's these will last me all the way until lv.50.

Just to clarify does this mean that they are good enough that I should be using them all the way to 50? Or does it simply mean that they remain respectable upto 50 and no one would blame me if I didnt upgrade before that point, though I could if I wanted?

Sorry for being a Noob, I'm no good at all the damage forumlas and stuff. And 20 levels seems an aweful long time for a weapon to remain the best possible option (Though I wont complain if thats the case ^^). I just want to try and play this job as well as I possibly can and have all my upgrades ready in advance of leveling up.

Edited, Jun 5th 2011 5:58pm by CourierBarry
#2 Jun 06 2011 at 5:17 AM Rating: Good
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Personnaly I used These. Since you'll probably be kill the **** out of mee deggi you should have lots of them.
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#3 Jun 06 2011 at 8:22 AM Rating: Good
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This guy is doing this right! Way to go. I can't tell you how much better you will be in this game in the long run doing your homework and reading stickies. Never stop reading. I don't really have a comment on your question. Just wanted to respectfully say welcome to the community. I'm sure you will succeed if you continue to be curious and ask questions and seek information from all available sources. (and you read before you asked, so awesome and rare anymore)
#4 Jun 06 2011 at 12:32 PM Rating: Decent
I <3 the boreas cesti. Was a fun time when I first leveled mnk. I was still using them when promy's weren't uncapped. I would save them for doing certain bcnm 30's that drop certain scrolls that are crazy high priced.
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#5 Jun 06 2011 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good
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Those equipment guides are okay, but not a bible if thats what your asking.

Its tricky to compare weapons for h2h because you have to look at the total dmg/dly

6/48 for borease is the top added to your base,
at 30:
base dmg of (93*.11+3)= 13.23 (round down to 13)
base dly of 380 (360 at 31,340 at 46)

So to compare any weapon, you need to look at (base + wpn dmg)/total delay, where larger numbers imply better weapon ratios.

    EG 2 level 30 weapons

Borease (6/48) == 19/428 =0.044
hydro claws +1 (8/61) == 21/441= 0.048

So what ever weapon you look at, make sure if you are comparing borease to something, make sure you look at the level X borease, not the lvl 30 one when you got it.

Mythril claws +1 10/61 @ 40 == 26/421 ~ 0.061 (vs the 22/408 ~ 0.054 of borease)

So from those 2 weapons (hydro and mythril claws) I find it hard to say borease is the best till 50, or even best at 30 when you get it. It is definitely good and worth the weapon, and will probably be easier to get then the +1 of crafted items no one makes anymore.

Heres a rough eyeball estimate of the remaining weapons on the trip to 75.

Adargas+1 11/49 @47
Cross counters 19/96 @ 50
hades sainti 18/51 @70
destroyers 18/48 @ 73

After destroyers it gets hard to model weapons due to other effects like acc, crit, double atk etc and by 75 you can just use kinematics weapon comparison guide.
#6 Jun 06 2011 at 1:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yes, but you're completely ignoring the 100% proc additional effect damage from the Boreas.

Essentially, the lvl ~40 weapons that show up are likely to be just barely better than the Boreas under conservative scenarios. The first weapons that definitively better are the Patas at 48, but most people skip those since you can get the TMHs at 50, and the +1/+2s at 52.

The main reason for upgrading weapons around lvl 40 is the psychological factor: weaponskill damage. With Boreas Cesti, the damage is light and fast, with the small additional effect procs making up for the difference in weaponskill damage. However, mentally it's harder to reconcile all these little additions to your damage with the difference in big chunks of damage you can do with a weaponskill.
#7 Jun 06 2011 at 5:01 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks for all the responses! Looks like I'll be keeping them strapped to my fists for a good while at least ^^

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The main reason for upgrading weapons around lvl 40 is the psychological factor: weaponskill damage. With Boreas Cesti, the damage is light and fast, with the small additional effect procs making up for the difference in weaponskill damage. However, mentally it's harder to reconcile all these little additions to your damage with the difference in big chunks of damage you can do with a weaponskill


I cant say I've ever been affected by big number syndrome, so as long as they can keep up with the other options overall then I'm happy with that.

Also I dont think Additional Effects generate any emnity do they? So in theory, whilst the weapons are almost on par, I should be able to go all out a little more often with the Boreas Cesti, than I would be able to with a big number weapon?

Anyway thanks for the help I'll stick with them until 50 :)
#8 Jun 09 2011 at 7:32 PM Rating: Decent
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I've levelled MNK on a few characters now and I have never gone past 30 without Boreas Cesti. They are one of my favourite H2H weapons because of that additional effect. I also followed Nilatai's guide and picked up a pair of Mythril Knuckles +1 but found myself switching back to Boreas Cesti in almost every party I was in up until 50. This weapon is awesome. :)
#9 Jun 12 2011 at 11:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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Boreas are pretty great, but one notable downside is that the 100% additional effect will override Sambas. So you might want an alternative for /DNC solo or in a party with a DNC. But yeah, more or less they'll last you 20ish levels, taking you up to stuff like TM Hooks/+2.
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#10 Jun 23 2011 at 2:21 PM Rating: Good
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Icemaush wrote:
I've levelled MNK on a few characters now and I have never gone past 30 without Boreas Cesti. They are one of my favourite H2H weapons because of that additional effect. I also followed Nilatai's guide and picked up a pair of Mythril Knuckles +1 but found myself switching back to Boreas Cesti in almost every party I was in up until 50. This weapon is awesome. :)
Nice to see people still read that old sticky. If I start playing again I'll probably update it to go up to 90...Maybe.
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