The 2nd best thing that makes MNK a perfect abyssea tankFollow

OK, so we have huge HP, and insanely great DoT DMG. I'd really like to know the exactt affect Subtle blow/AGL/Chi has on
our tp given/punch.

Having Subtle blow around 40% (capped with Auspice), and Pennance up for half the time, and the extra SB AGL gives I seem to be able to take Hero T2's down to around 65-70% until they use a TP move. Hero's NM's have around double scar's NM's hp (which have around double Vision NM's have - talking T2's.

Vision NM's 10-20K HP
Scars 25-40K HP
Hero's 55-70K HP

Which means around 10-20K HP is falling off of Hero's T2's before they TP move (those w/o any STP or Regain or just like to TP spam). Obviously Pennance is up from the start, then re-applied again at 25% HP.

Its the main reason for me GH is so amazing becasue the 50AGL is a great MNK Tank defensive boost giving 25EVA aswell as the 10counter.

I noticed that even though Thf's and Nin's can tank well in abys, the mob will use more TP moves with a nin tank, and substantially more with a THF tank - but both NIN and THF have their other tanking perks.

I'd like to really know how much my ~40SB(50 with Auspice) with the AGL bonus with Penance effect is having on my TP given to the mob. I already know its a substantial boost considering the few times many NM's use TP moves until spam time.

Its not that I care so much about it, its just something I find very noticable when low manning in abys with a whm and blm. I'd still like to know how much TP i'm dealing to the mob per punch with 40% SB, the AGL bonus and pennance applied. Wiki doesn't have anything on the affect AGL has on mob TP gain, otherwise it'd be simple to work out.

Its obviously useful as abyssea mobs are notorious for their TP moves (or not so much now, theres still some nasties out there though).

http://ryanensminger.com/gallery/v/random/whargarbl.jpg.html

What he meant is if the nin and mnk are equipped equally and with equal SB, use of Penance and Yurin, The mob would simply TP more often due to the nin needing to do more hits overall to kill it.

Iirc, Yurin was tested to be 10% TP inhibit, while Penance was 25%. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I dunno if 10% 100% of the time or 25% 100/180s of the time will do better or come out about the same.

On Topic: Gnarled Horn is my favorite second atma for any DD job, the huge AGI boost is quite noticeable while soloing.

RR/GH/Apoc = Win win win

I believe NIN/MNK can get counter that high as well, with AF3 legs, GH and CS. First two points stand though. Only real advantages NIN has are more shadows, better evasion, and lolparry. I can't think of anything else.

Migawari

Personally, I prefer to tank /blm, and rock Ice Spikes to help with my enmity and Guard skill gear to increase my counter rate.

As much as I love Migawari, Its still slightly limited by 1-use & recast although when used properly for this kinda thing it is easy to make full use out of it. Again, its the kind of mob where nin tank excels in because of back tanking when you don't want to be giving TP and the ability to drop decent nukes if your setup for it.

Subtle blow and mob tp gain plays a major role it using migawari to its full potential and its what makes nin the perfect tank for certain nm's. I would most certainly come nin for Cuijatender, or an nm like Bomblix Flamefinger.

MNK's awesome but there is no 1-job best at doing it all, you are also forgetting NIN can drop 700~1000dmg nukes feeding the mob less than 10TP per cast. :)

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It is best for most abyssea tanking however.


I love nin and mnk, and have geared them both up. I'f i'm dealing dmg or soloing (omg soloing on nin/dnc is just awesome) only then right now i'd rather be on my nin, the speed, crits, de-buffs, Yonin counter+GH, being able to equip 2 bad ass weapons is just a joyful thing to do. For anything that matters, I just have to be on mnk has my HP pool is nearly twice as much, and I deal less TP to the mobs while keeping up high dmg.