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#1 Feb 23 2011 at 9:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey guys was wondering what I need to do to be a good tank in abyssea.

What subjob? What atmas? Play style?


Thanks in advance.
#2 Feb 23 2011 at 9:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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Razed ruins, gnarled horn, atma of apocalypse.

Sub war

Use counterstance

Deal damage.

#3 Feb 23 2011 at 10:45 AM Rating: Decent
Would Roaring Laughter be better than Apoc?
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#5 Feb 23 2011 at 1:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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Veggeto wrote:
Razed ruins, gnarled horn, atma of apocalypse.

Sub war

Use counterstance

Deal damage.



That's pretty much it. But to expand a little bit...

RR/GH are musts, and although I do use Apoc a lot of the time the third atma is clearly more situational. Mounted Champion is nice for 20/tic regen and less enmity decay (VIT+50 never hurts either, and is quite nice for WS/Chakra). You might be interested in using an evasion or MDB atma for some situation. Apoc is actually comparatively more valuable for /NIN than /WAR, due to Quick Magic. On /WAR you're just getting a nice chunk of Triple Attack and the convenience/insurance of auto-RR3.

As for sub, /WAR is good but you shouldn't ignore /NIN and /DNC depending on what you're doing. Sometimes shadows really do help on NMs, and /DNC is helpful for some solo/lowman activities - particularly when using Violent Flourish to stun nasty spells/abilities is viable, but Sambas and the random emergency Waltz are nice to have in your pocket.

Edited, Feb 23rd 2011 2:59pm by Anza
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#6 Feb 25 2011 at 1:59 PM Rating: Decent
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If you have a whm you don't need healing or defense beyond counter. Difficult to die with cure 5 and 6.
If you don't have a whm you may need shadows or roaring laughter... but then you've got nerfed evasion, so I dunno if it's that much of a help.
#7 Feb 26 2011 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
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Mounted Champion is nice for 20/tic regen and less enmity decay (VIT+50 never hurts either, and is quite nice for WS/Chakra).


The only time I use MC is when I am soloing or duoing NMs with a BLM, and even then I don't always. You really shouldn't ever have a problem with enmity, since you recap it with every attack round anyways. If you have a WHM healer, the Regen loses a lot of its value. The value of the VIT+50 is diminished by counters. Yeah it helps on Chakra, but that isn't that significant (up to 180HP every 5 mins). The contribution of the VIT to your WS won't make up for the triple attack on Apoc.
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#8 Feb 26 2011 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
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Mounted Champion is nice for 20/tic regen and less enmity decay (VIT+50 never hurts either, and is quite nice for WS/Chakra).


The only time I use MC is when I am soloing or duoing NMs with a BLM, and even then I don't always. You really shouldn't ever have a problem with enmity, since you recap it with every attack round anyways. If you have a WHM healer, the Regen loses a lot of its value. The value of the VIT+50 is diminished by counters. Yeah it helps on Chakra, but that isn't that significant (up to 180HP every 5 mins). The contribution of the VIT to your WS won't make up for the triple attack on Apoc.


True that MC is less useful as you have more healing. With a dedicated WHM on you, it's less of an issue. But still, it's at least a viable situational possibility for any time you're light on healing for whatever reason. Even with a healer, it may be good insurance on particular NMs (say, ones with a significant Bio/Poison aura). Less enmity loss is surely a good thing for tanking too. If I was doing something like seal farming with a BLM doubling as a healer and triggering yellow, I'd probably use MC to give the mage more time to focus on triggers as opposed to curing me, and to stick hate to myself better against any other DDs.

The VIT for me is pretty insignificant for actual defensive purposes, but does go nicely with Ascetic's Fury even if that doesn't outweigh overall DD from something like Apoc. I do end up doing a good bit of solo/duo so Chakra is important to me too (5/5 Chakra recast and 5/5 Invigorate merits) - but yeah, the bigger the party the less I end up caring because I'll have someone healing me as I tank.

Edited, Feb 26th 2011 3:40pm by Anza
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#9 Feb 27 2011 at 8:20 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah I agree, Atma choices can be tweaked slightly when solo/duo with funny job combo's, but really Apoc has 3 very useful stats, two of which are on the defensive side.

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Edited, Feb 27th 2011 9:21am by Sandmasterr
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#10 May 13 2011 at 6:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Not to totally necro, but this was still on the first page and I was looking for info on MNK tanking atmas, so meh :)

I am just getting MNK up on a second account. Quick question - now that SE changed the way VIT works, is mounted champion a viable choice over apocalypse, or is apocalypse still king? My character will be tanking shinryu soon and I will probably only have one WHM (but a PLd and RDM will probably be present as well).
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#11 May 13 2011 at 2:34 PM Rating: Decent
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It all depends really, MC is an amazing atma, but I generally use it on nin solo as most mobs I can just hit away with out using shadows capping any light I chose; NM's I can hold while I regen HP (aslong as they dont have regain etc). For MNK, obviously solo MC will win, but MNK isn't that good of a solo job inside abys. No amber, Azure can only really be capped by getting Ruby up 5-10 notches, counter needs you facing the mob etc.

For Shin, you'll want apoc. You could prob do without GH as shin has 20/tick regain, and your not gonna be countering any of his attacks. Apoc/RR - and the 3rd can be thought over a bit (maybe MC)
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#12 May 14 2011 at 5:20 PM Rating: Decent
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I can't comment on VITs usefulness since the update, but preupdate I only used MC solo or in very small groups. For example I've killed Scars zones NMs as MNK/NIN with a BLM/WHM before and used MC so he could focus mostly on yellow proc and not healing.

As for Shinryu I'd agree that RR/Apoc are good first choices and the third depends on a few things. If you mule doesn't have all the Abyssites of Merit (+HP), then I'd go with an HP atma like SS. If you are going to be procing blue then a regain atma is really helpful, particularly for when Shin uses his move that makes you hit for zero for a while. If you're just tanking it and don't need the HP you could even go Mounted Champion.
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