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#27 Mar 14 2011 at 6:00 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I know the ideal way would be to farm gold chests with a full alliance with a ninja, warrior, and whm killing Chloris over and over. However, with my small little static of 3 people, with one being able to 2-box, I guess I'll be farming the pop items from the NMs 4x each at a time. The only issue then is we won't be able to farm any time but that's nothing but a quick warp and run back with more stones.
Thanks for the input guys. I truly truly hate Walk of Echoes. I did almost 20 runs in WoE and several fail runs and out of all of it I only got 3 coins. 2 of which I got only because I was the only one that wanted advancement, and the 3rd because the guy who I rolled against passed since he had got a pouch during that run and was being nice.
So I've just been satisfied with my Fire Taipans +2 (don't even have Ascetic's Fury) and now that I have a small little static willing to help me do Chloris, I'm stoked.
#28 Mar 15 2011 at 4:50 AM Rating: Decent
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lynnminmay wrote:
Torn bat wing drops often in chests, and if you farm with multiple chars you will get overall more KI farming Gold chests ; although I didn't try it, getting the bat KI the normal ways seems to be a time sink, and the hecteye one KI is definately time consuming. I think it's better to spam chest until you get 6 of the same KI on the 6 players then go for a NM to complete it, pot chloris then back to coffers etc.

Dargua KI seems faster from chests, unless you are only in the zone for one pop I guess in which case farming the pop dragon NM is better. The other day by the time some dude was soloing it (took him like 15 minutes) we would get 4 pop off chests, plus it's kinda camped at times etc.

Edited, Mar 14th 2011 12:02pm by lynnminmay


You do know the chest drops are random, eh?
#29 Mar 15 2011 at 10:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm in the process of farming up pop sets for the NM's that drop KIs for Chloris. Luckily, I have THF so I've prefarmed about 19 sets of pops. I take those pop sets and do a little delivery box magic between mules to hold them all until people are ready to suit up and run in to help me. Before you have a full set (seven items) you need to convert four items from lower tier NMs. The mandragora NM, and Limule NM can both be soloed by a THF/NIN with your eyes closed and 9 times out of ten no healing required. The Clionid NM can be soloed with healing temp items and by using a fools drink at 30% of it's life (to withstand Chainspell). I have soloed Cannered Noz about eight times but gave up on doing so as I'd have to use most of my temp items to stay alive. It's just easier to go in with a group when you're ready to convert pop items to KIs and rock him out. I thought camping Chukwa would be a nightmare for the remaining KI but I've caught a few lucky breaks having the camp to ourselves when we've gone in as a group. Now if Chloris would stop crapping all over my hard work and give me TWO items per pop. :<.

Edit: I should add that farming a full set of pop items takes roughly 40 minutes to an hour depending on focus and luck with drops off normal mobs. Also, I just buy Bloody Fangs and Alkaline Humus to save time as they're a common drop and 500-1000 gil on Ragnarok.

Edited, Mar 15th 2011 12:22pm by Zanece

Edited, Mar 15th 2011 12:23pm by Zanece
#30lynnminmay, Posted: Mar 15 2011 at 4:29 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Do you know the meaning of random dumbass. It does not mean uniform distribution.
#31 Mar 15 2011 at 11:23 PM Rating: Decent
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lynnminmay wrote:
Veggeto wrote:
lynnminmay wrote:
Torn bat wing drops often in chests, and if you farm with multiple chars you will get overall more KI farming Gold chests ; although I didn't try it, getting the bat KI the normal ways seems to be a time sink, and the hecteye one KI is definately time consuming. I think it's better to spam chest until you get 6 of the same KI on the 6 players then go for a NM to complete it, pot chloris then back to coffers etc.

Dargua KI seems faster from chests, unless you are only in the zone for one pop I guess in which case farming the pop dragon NM is better. The other day by the time some dude was soloing it (took him like 15 minutes) we would get 4 pop off chests, plus it's kinda camped at times etc.

Edited, Mar 14th 2011 12:02pm by lynnminmay


You do know the chest drops are random, eh?


Do you know the meaning of random dumbass. It does not mean uniform distribution.

Torn Bat wings are the most common because that's what you got the most of. K, got it.
#32 Mar 16 2011 at 12:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Meaning of random, dumbass = Governed by chance, no pattern.
Meaning of random dumbass = lynnminmay.
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#33lynnminmay, Posted: Mar 16 2011 at 4:24 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) what does governed by chance and govern by pattern mean. Inbefore brainfart.
#34lynnminmay, Posted: Mar 16 2011 at 4:25 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) All KIs are equally likely to drop from chets because prince vegetta said it, got it.
#35 Mar 16 2011 at 8:20 PM Rating: Decent
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lynnminmay wrote:
Veggeto wrote:

Torn Bat wings are the most common because that's what you got the most of. K, got it.


All KIs are equally likely to drop from chets because prince vegetta said it, got it.


And torn bat wings are the most common because you got them. Personally, I've seen more of Chukwa's KI and Chloris' (for Lacovie) than anything else
#36 Mar 27 2011 at 9:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I finished Verethragna Friday and am enjoying the **** out of it, though I am interested to see the kind of damage other vere users are putting up. I myself have done a couple 6ks on fodder mobs but nothing mind blowing on anything worthwhile. What kind of damage are other vere users getting with smite?
#37 Mar 27 2011 at 11:26 AM Rating: Decent
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killed kirin 2x last night. Smite did 2k-2.4k on kirin, suzy and seiryu. Final heaven and asuran fists did 2k on the same mobs.

Inside abyssea I usually do 3k-4k on mobs that matter and dips of 2,000 dmg and highs of 6,000 for smite.
#38 Apr 05 2011 at 4:41 AM Rating: Decent
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(I know the thread is a few days old and the OP has finished now, but figured I would share my experience so far)

My experience so far is that purely gold farming is not particularly efficient. If you have lots of people it can be effective, but in an hour we saw very few KIs, and then you have a chance of them being dupes, or Glavoid/Lacovie KIs.

Ideally, I'd recommend teaming up with someone who's working on Glavoid. That way, less KIs are wasted, and you have an extra person to help (along with any help they can get). Sure, it means you have to fight Glavoid lots too, but extra people makes it a lot better.

My tactic has been to max out pearl and azure, and then spend a while farming time with AoE burning (Cataclysm/Fell Cleave/Aeolian Edge). Do this until you have enough time to last you for a while, so that you don't have to stop and worry about farming time later on.

Once you have a decent amount of time, you can max out Amber light. The mobs that give amber lights in Tahrongi (Aspids, Sandworms, Wyrms) kinda suck, so it's hardly worth taking time to farm these. It's best to just go ahead and kill the NMs you need for chloris pops, and get amber light on them. You can also kill T1 VNMs for lights, and any Ephemeral mobs you come across (though they're relatively rare in Tahrongi).

But basically, gold farming comes secondary to just farming the NMs. Just go around each NM you need, farm the pop items, kill the NMs, and max out amber lights as you go. We've been getting a good amount of KIs from gold chests like this, while still killing the NMs and getting the ones we need from that.


That said, this is much better with a few people. We've been doing this with about 4-6 people, plus some dual boxed characters, which covers specific job needs and holds extra pop sets. You want someone for red procs (WAR or NIN - fun fact, Ninja can hit just as many red procs as Warrior. Bring both if you can to cover the full set.), and a Thief for farming pop items and Chloris itself if you can. Beyond that, then just the obvious DDs and healers, or just anyone who's willing to hold pop items. Invite people along to leech exp, drops, titles, whatever, in return for holding pop sets. It makes things easier.

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#39 Apr 05 2011 at 7:16 AM Rating: Good
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Couldn't agree more Solarus.

Yestarday my LS farmed Gold boxes first until we all had around 300 mins of time. At that point we had used around 2 hours in there, and gotten 4 glavoid sets, 1 chloris, and 3/4 x3 on chloris all needing bat wing KI.

After that we just finished pop sets with NMs and got some gear too. This way people with few stones wont be hurt too ^^
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#40 Apr 05 2011 at 3:25 PM Rating: Decent
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CTmidgar wrote:
killed kirin 2x last night. Smite did 2k-2.4k on kirin, suzy and seiryu. Final heaven and asuran fists did 2k on the same mobs.

Inside abyssea I usually do 3k-4k on mobs that matter and dips of 2,000 dmg and highs of 6,000 for smite.


Quoted for accuracy and authenticity. I grow tired of reading "I never VS for less then 5k" so its nice to see some honest people left ;-p
#41 Apr 06 2011 at 7:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, my experience for VS has been roughly the same, inside abyssea anyway. Haven't really tested it outside yet, but that's definitely consistent with my results. Only parse I've done had my average around 3700 (n=~50) during an exp session. Highest so far was 7k on a detector in Ule, haven't done a ton of NM's yet but the 3-4k range sounds pretty reasonable.
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#42lynnminmay, Posted: Apr 08 2011 at 4:07 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Doing this you end up like idiots that have 300+ minutes left when they exit abyssea ; pretty useless. Do it like this :
#43 Apr 08 2011 at 9:17 AM Rating: Decent
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lynnminmay wrote:
It takes about 8 hours for 6 pop sets.


Edited, Apr 8th 2011 6:12am by lynnminmay


Um what? It really doesnt take 8 hours to get 6 pop sets for chloris. It takes maybe 2.
#44 Apr 08 2011 at 11:27 AM Rating: Decent
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I could do a pop set an hour and that's w/ my crappy war in full eva build + eva atma for proccing reds on NMs.

Would take about 2 hours give or take 15-20 mins on either side depending on other factors to get a pop set for my mule and myself.
#45lynnminmay, Posted: Apr 08 2011 at 6:13 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Are you retarded ? Wonder why I'm even questionning this after reading the general stupidity of your posts.
#46 Apr 08 2011 at 7:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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What are you doing between Chukwas that make that 90 minutes 100% dedicated to Chukwa?

In 90 mins of Chukwas, while you're waiting on repops, you can be getting a bunch of other things done.

Aside from that, he's running with 6 people, you don't need all 6 at Chukwa (or any 1 NM).

Split up and do multiple things at once.

Then, you're way overestimating time per NM.

Limule, clinoid, scorp, etc take nowhere near 5 mins, even dual boxing w/ my very undergeared war, yet alone w/ 6 ppl (since you have them all together and not splitting up for w/e reason).

Only NM on that list that I'd say would take 5+ mins is the skull due to it RR'ing. MAYBE Chukwa.

Also, he said 6 pop sets, not 6 pop sets and kills, so I don't know why you added killing Chloris to that (and even then, Chloris doesn't take 5 mins either. maybe 5 when I was dual boxing it, def not w/ 6)

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So 7H is the minimum possible for 6 pops set assuming you don't have competition on the turtle, have all pop items before hands, have all !! procs, don't go pee etc.

What do you mean by pop items ahead of time? Like all pop items for KI NMs(bat, scorp, hecteyes) or all pop items for items that drop pop items for KI NMs?(clioid, mandy, skull).

Farming all my things ahead of time and dboxing them to myself to where I only needed to get !! NMs, I could do 2 pop sets and then change jobs and do 2 chloris in under 2hrs.

Edited, Apr 8th 2011 9:08pm by Veggeto
#47lynnminmay, Posted: Apr 09 2011 at 1:26 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If you farm your pops you double the time needed for 1 pop. The only thing you can buy at the AH are HQ limule & clionid, blood bat, venomous scorpion claw, alkaline humus, baleful skull. Bloodshot hecteye, tarnished pincer, shriweled wing, exo skull can be bought at the AH but they are never on, so you can't count on that.
#48 Apr 09 2011 at 5:07 AM Rating: Decent
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You need all 6 because you need to proc !!. You also never need the same char because the claimer only gets the KI.
You'll need at least whm+dd to hold it, but you are far from caping !! You need at least a third to finsih red procs. You remaining 3 can do stuff but seriously they can't because it means you don't progress linearly with you KI. If you don't proc the same KI 6 times in a row you waste more time running around.

It's easy enough to rotate NMs. you're all going to have to run eventually to a new NM. What does it matter if you all do it at the same time? could even go into 2 groups of 3, but even if you went in groups of 2, deaggro and reclaiming NM is still going to be much faster than keeping all 6 ppl at once.

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I didn't say 5 min for limule or clionid I said 5 for scorpion, stop acting like an idiot making it sound that 95% of you time is spend killing NMs. You are NOT killing the KI NMs in under 5 minute, and that's not because they are long to kill but because you have 13 WS to proc ¿ Plus the scorpion is especially an ***.

I was including the !! time, buddy. It doesn't take that long.

Between getting hints and the times the hints don't proc, it'll never AVERAGE out to 5 mins a kill.

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If you farm your pops you double the time needed for 1 pop. The only thing you can buy at the AH are HQ limule & clionid, blood bat, venomous scorpion claw, alkaline humus, baleful skull. Bloodshot hecteye, tarnished pincer, shriweled wing, exo skull can be bought at the AH but they are never on, so you can't count on that.

Varies by server, I suppose. Tarnished Pincer was the 100% most common and the thing i bought most of any other pop item during my entire trial.
#49 Apr 09 2011 at 5:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Not exact, but much closer than your model

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Baleful Skull - 2 minutes
Cannered Noz - 6 minutes
Travel - 90 seconds
Bloody Fang - 2 minutes
Treble Noctules - 2 minutes
Torn Bat Wing - 13.5 Min

HQ Limule Pincer - 2 minutes
Vetehinen - 3 minutes
Travel - 60 seconds
HQ Clionid Wing - 2 minutes
Halimede - 2 minutes
Travel - 2 minutes
Bloodshot Hecteye - 2 minutes
Ophanim - 2 minutes
Veinous Hecteyes Eyelid - 16 Min

Alkaline Humus - 2 minutes
Gancanagh - 2 minutes
Travel - 2 minutes
Venomous Scorpion Stinger - 2 minutes
Hedetet - 2 minutes
Gory Scorpion CLaw - 10 min

Travel - 2 minutes
Chukwa - ~10 minutes(at least on my server it's pretty camped, just estimating an average here since you'll usually need to wait on next repop + kill it)
Mossy Adamantoise Shell - 12 min

Chloris Pop - 51.5 minutes
#50lynnminmay, Posted: Apr 09 2011 at 4:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You CLEARLY never did it. Bloody bat fang balaful skull HQ wings and pincer etc are pretty low drop rate even with a THF. And you find 50 minute for one pop ? ********* If you had all of them sure why not otherwise facepalm.
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lynnminmay wrote:
You CLEARLY never did it.

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