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#1 Apr 18 2012 at 3:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Hello

I have stopped playing THF for a short while to focus on my other jobs, then when I came back I felt that my THF is outdated. So I'm trying to update my THF XML's to include new gear and work out weaknesses. I'm not a math guru so I need some help. I can't decide what stats to prioritize when it comes to sets. Also I feel like I have so many daggers and choosing between them can be hard at times.

I would like to know what stat(s) I should prioritize for each of these sets (and their order) as well as where to include attack/accuracy.

I have the following dagger choices:
Twashtar90, Kila+3 fire (working on upgrade), Kila+3 wind (working on upgrade), Auric, Tripulus (never use this tbh), TH

Currently I have the following:

Main set: TP Haste
  • Main: Twashtar90
  • Sub: Kila+3 fire
  • Ammo: Raider's
  • Head: Raider+2
  • Neck: Agayasa
  • Ears: Brutal/Suppa
  • Body: Raider's+2
  • Hands: Ocelot
  • Rings: Rajas/Epona
  • Back: Atheling
  • Waist: Twilight
  • Legs: Raiders+2
  • Feet: Assassin's+2

Set stats: Haste: 26%, DW 8%, Crit: 4%


Sneak Attack/Rudra's Strom/DE/Evis set: DEX
  • Head: Heca+1
  • Neck: Agayasa (Shadow Gorget if SAWS)
  • Ears: Brutal/Pixie
  • Body: Loki's Kaftan
  • Hands: Raiders+2
  • Rings: Rajas/Jupiter
  • Back: Nifty
  • Waist: Chiner's
  • Legs: Matre
  • Feet: Scopuli

Set stats: DEX 86


Trick Attack/Exen set: AGI
  • Head: Bersail
  • Neck: Arctier(Shadow Gorget if SAWS)
  • Ears: Drone/Drone
  • Body: Loki's Kaftan
  • Hands: Ocelot
  • Rings: Auster's/Breeze
  • Back: Blithe
  • Waist: Sveltesse
  • Legs: Ambusher's
  • Feet: Raider's+2

Set stats: AGI 87


Obvious upgrades would be the HQ versions of rings/earrings. I am also thinking I must separate between SA/TA sets and weaponskill sets. Currently I'm using the same set for SA for example with Rudra's/Evis/DE, and TA with Exen. But what I can't decide upon is which of these sets should I add to some Accuracy/Attack/Triple Attack/Critical Hit%. And when coupling these weaponskills with either SA/TA, which stats take priority (ie. DEX vs Accuracy for Evis for example).

I would really appreciate some input regarding this.
#2 Apr 18 2012 at 5:02 AM Rating: Excellent
Since I don't know how difficult getting the Floor 100 Nyzul Uncharted Region gear (the Thaumas set) might be for you, I'll exclude that from my recommendations for now.

TP setup adjustments

The new Aluh Jambiya makes for an arguably better offhand dagger than the Str path Thokcha, thus making it a better dagger to offhand than your Str Kila.

Swap out the Agasaya's for a Rancor Collar (with capped Tonberry hate). Even though the +10% damage taken sounds like a lot, on most mobs as far as regular melee attacks, it's only going to add maybe 10-20 damage to you at the most. Likewise, you should have an evasion or a -DT setup for situations where you might take a lot of damage, and have something else thrown in like a Torero Torque or Twilight Torque.

While Ocelot's are okay, I'd recommend changing to Brego due to the better stats for the sake of melee that you'd be getting from them (more accuracy, Str, etc).

SA/Rudra's/etc

Don't use Hecatomb Hat for Sneak Attack. Since Sneak Attack is a normal melee attack round, +Slow gear factors into your attack delay, thus resulting in it taking longer for your next melee round to go off. If you have the funds, an Ocelomeh Headpiece +1 is your current best bet as far as a Sneak Attack headpiece, and will also be the best for Rudra's Storm as well. If you can't afford that, the NQ is a fine substitute.

While Agasaya's is ok for now, try for a neck piece with a good amount of Dex, like Moepapa Medal or Love Torque for SA. Using the Gorget is fine for Rudra's. For Evisceration, use an appropriate elemental Gorget and a Rancorous Mantle (gain the boost to fTP from the gorget and +5% crit hit rate at the loss of 5 attack and 2% DA)

Pixie Earring is fine for Sneak Attack, but if you can get one or already have one, the Attack +4, TP Bonus +25 augment combo from the Moonshade Earring from finishing Wings of the Goddess is the best earring alongside Brutal Earring to WS in for Rudra's and Evisceration (Rudra's because the +25 TP goes towards damage, and Evisceration because it goes towards +Crit Rate)

Though it's not much of an upgrade, Athos's Tabard over Loki's Kaftan if you can obtain one. Same amount of +crit hit damage, but slightly higher levels of Dex. Also has the +acc on it as well.

If you're active in doing Voidwatch (especially Provenance), aim for the Wanion Belt, as that will be your best piece for Sneak Attack and Dex based weaponskills (Rudra's, etc). If you aren't, I recommend using a Cuchulain's Belt over Chiner's. One less Dex, but given Thief's relatively low base attack, the +10 Attack is a significant boost to damage.

Try to work on getting Athos's Tights for SA and Rudra's/Evisceration. Though you're losing 6 Dex, you're gaining +4% crit hit damage, which pushes Athos's ahead slightly. Furthermore, if you have Athos's Tights and Tabard, you gain an additional +2% crit hit rate from the set bonus, which works well for unstacked Evisceration.

Trick Attack/Exenterator

Same as what was said about the Ocelomeh Headpiece +1 for Sneak Attack. NQ is a good substitute if you can't afford the HQ.

Swap out one of the Drone Earrings for Brutal for Exenterator

Ocelot's is okay for now, but try to get Athos's Gloves for Trick Attack/Exenterator. One less Agility, but +7 Strength as well as a +fTP bonus if you WS on the proper day (the wording on the hands are inaccurate, as it doesn't affect just elemental weaponskills, but affects all weaponskills with skillchain properties matching the day i.e. weaponskills with Detonation properties will receive a +fTP bonus when those hands are used on Windsday)

Stick to Atheling for your back piece. While the AGI on Blithe is nice, since Thief is a relatively low base attack job, +20 Attack will do more for Exenterator as well as Trick Attack.

Don't use Sveltesse. For the same reasons as using Atheling over Blithe for the back, that's a lot of attack to give up for the Agility you'd gain. Use a waist piece such as Crudelis (3 less Agi than Sveltesse, but +5 Str and no -attack) or Anguinus Belt (+15 Accuracy, +15 Attack, Double Attack +1%) over Sveltesse.

Keep Epona's on for Exenterator (unless you stack it with Assassin's Charge). The overall damage boost from a possible Double or Triple Attack going off would push Epona's ahead of a +Agi ring in the long run.

Closing suggestions/Thaumas set

Thaumas head for Exenterator, Trick Attack, and potentially Evisceration

Thaumas body for TP purposes

Thaumas hands for Utsu casts

Thaumas legs for Exenterator, Trick Attack

Thaumas feet for Evisceration, Rudra's Storm, Sneak Attack, Trick Attack, Exenterator, etc.

If a few pieces are paired together for certain situations, they'd prove to be better than they are as stand-alone pieces due to the set bonus.

Tessera Saio from Provenance Watcher for Exenterator at the very least, though could pull ahead for Rudra's, Evisceration, Sneak and Trick Attacks due to the +Str and +Att at the loss of a little Dex, Agi, and crit damage.

This was just sort of a general idea of things you can work towards. Hope it helps.
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#3 Apr 19 2012 at 1:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Thank you so much for you thorough reply; it's what I've been looking for. I will be working towards these.
#5 Apr 19 2012 at 2:12 AM Rating: Decent
You're sure about the AGI gear over fTP gear for Exen? I never even thought about it.
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#6 Apr 19 2012 at 2:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Vlorsutes, Lord of Stuff wrote:
Using the Gorget is fine for Rudra's. For Evisceration, use an appropriate elemental Gorget and a Rancorous Mantle (gain the boost to fTP from the gorget and +5% crit hit rate at the loss of 5 attack and 2% DA)


I thought Shadow Gorget works for both Evisceration and Rudra, it doesn't?
#7 Apr 19 2012 at 4:07 AM Rating: Excellent
tertoonetwothreefour wrote:
You're sure about the AGI gear over fTP gear for Exen? I never even thought about it.


I'm not sure what you're referring to exactly in this situation. If it's my recommendation for the Athos's Gloves, the fact that it gives the +fTP when used on the corresponding day was one of the added incentives to using it (the +7 Str at the loss of 1 Agi was the primary reason).

Shaiamy wrote:
Vlorsutes, Lord of Stuff wrote:
Using the Gorget is fine for Rudra's. For Evisceration, use an appropriate elemental Gorget and a Rancorous Mantle (gain the boost to fTP from the gorget and +5% crit hit rate at the loss of 5 attack and 2% DA)


I thought Shadow Gorget works for both Evisceration and Rudra, it doesn't?


Shadow Gorget does indeed work for Evisceration. I was just saying use one of the appropriate elemental gorgets with a Rancorous Mantle for the sake of Evisceration to indicate that you'd want to make another gear set for Evisceration and not just use the same gear set you have for your Rudra's Storm build.
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#8 Apr 19 2012 at 4:35 AM Rating: Decent
I was referring to neck and waist slots.
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#9 Apr 19 2012 at 9:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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I agree with 99% of what Vlorsutes said here. The one thing I take issue with is using the elemental gorget over agasayas for weaponskill.

agasayas will increase your damage ~ 1.6-0.8% on all the hits of your weaponskill (assumption of mob def ~500)
elemental gorget will increase the BASE damage of your first hit only by 3% (Rudras), and 0 on all subsequent hits

Edit: On top of that, SA ws elemental gorget has no additional benefit on the weaponskill, it doesn't even affect the damage for first hit since fTP is calculated before adding DEX for SA.

I think it would be better to continue using agasayas for weaponskill instead of the gorget.

Edit2: mistyped percent bonus of gorget on Rudras, but I would still do agasayas due to extra hits.

Edited, Apr 19th 2012 10:22am by Meldi

Edited, Apr 19th 2012 10:24am by Meldi
#10 Apr 24 2012 at 2:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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What meldi said. This is where love torque comes in swinging with acc/atk/5dex I'm on my phone and can't check but I'm pretty sure 7agi rings beat eponas and 4agi ears beat brutal but can't check right now. Also AF+1 hands for TA. They add 15% of your total agi to TA
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#11 Apr 26 2012 at 2:42 AM Rating: Good
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How come no one ever talks about Rogue's Armlets +1 anymore for Trick Attack? Unless I'm mistaken, it adds a bonus 15% of your AGI onto Trick Attack. Even with just our base AGI at 99 (mine's 92, so bonus would be +13/14), shouldn't it outperform any other piece? I can see the Athos potentially beating it because of all of that STR, but shouldn't it trump everything else?



Edited, Apr 26th 2012 4:56am by SFChakan
#12 Apr 26 2012 at 10:23 AM Rating: Good
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I'll admit, I just skimmed over the info for solo TA and I didn't catch it. However, Banalaty right above you did say exactly what you just said. I will say, in terms of TA + WS, it really isn't as beneficial as you would think. The bonus to TA damage falls outside of fTP and WSC, so rogue's armlets only give benefit on the first hit of a TA weaponskill. Something like Athos which adds +7 to STR, DEX, and AGI potentially adds ~4 damage to a regular WS, or ~9-10 damage extenterator on every hit. Over 6 hits on extenterator, Athos will add 54-60 regular damage to the weaponskill where Rogues +1 will only add ~20 base damage to the first hit (it is a crit though, so net benefit of ~30-40 damage)
#13 Apr 26 2012 at 11:43 AM Rating: Decent
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No, I completely agree with you guys on the TA+WS, but what about solo TA? Is it still the best piece to use for solo TA?
#14 Apr 26 2012 at 12:55 PM Rating: Good
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It is without question the best solo TA hand. Most people are probably around 150-180ish agi. AF+1 adds 20- 27ish agi. Beats the pants off of any agi options. Nothing has even half that.

That said, it worked for stacking better when we used de/evis/sb because it also has 3dex and mods were 30-50%. But in the days super mods like 100% agi exen, af looses out to a simple skadi hands let alone myrmex.
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