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#1 May 02 2011 at 3:36 PM Rating: Decent
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I've just started leveling my thief and I have a few question for you long time thief players.

1. Suggested strategies for soloing when farming at high levels? Is it as simple as TPing, then using sleep bolts then going behind the mob to SATA and DE, SB or Evisc.? Am I missing something or is there a better way of soloing and killing a mob as fast as possible?

2. Any faster method or areas/mobs to skilling Marksmanship (like Zvahl fortalice or something easier?) other than the general skill up method?

3. When solo farming what are the fastest options to claim a mob? At low levels I'm currently using Rogetsurin and it's a bit slow.

Thank you for the advice.

Edited, May 2nd 2011 5:38pm by drbl

Edited, May 2nd 2011 5:39pm by drbl
#2 May 02 2011 at 3:55 PM Rating: Decent
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drbl wrote:
I've just started leveling my thief and I have a few question for you long time thief players.

1. Suggested strategies for soloing when farming at high levels? Is it as simple as TPing, then using sleep bolts then going behind the mob to SATA and DE, SB or Evisc.? Am I missing something or is there a better way of soloing and killing a mob as fast as possible?

2. Any faster method or areas/mobs to skilling Marksmanship (like Zvahl fortalice or something easier?) other than the general skill up method?

3. When solo farming what are the fastest options to claim a mob?

Thank you for the advice.


1. Depends on what you are farming. A lot of NM's are going to resist your sleep bolts but I'll assume for this you are talking about killing lots of fodder mobs.

In that case, I've always liked landing a fully powered SA or SAWS at the start of the fight and continue from there. If you are just spamming fodder mobs, /DNC is really good for this because spectral jig allows you to sneak up on just about anything and will allow you to keep your hp up indefinately.

If the mob lives long enough for you to do a second WS, or you have to claim the mob before you can land SAWS etc, you have the Sleep bolt > SAWS option. Just be aware that you don't need to disengage OR unlock your target for this to work with proper timing. I would actually recommend not using this tactic if you have trouble timing it without disengaging/unlocking etc, because you likey aren't saving yourself any kill time and wasting ammo for your troubles.

2. Target anything that is not resistant to sleep or particularly evasive in your skill up level range (THF mobs obviouslay are a no-no, etc). Load up on racc gear/food/etc and spam sleep bolts till the mob is dead > repeat. Pretty boring, but effective. (Is this the general skillup method you are referring to? I wasn't sure).

3. Hmm fast claim for THF? Darts are a decent low delay ranged option. You can /war for provoke or build finishing moves for the /DNC voke. Steal and mug are good close range options.
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#3 May 02 2011 at 6:12 PM Rating: Decent
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For the most part you're going to lose more damage doing a sleep bolt -> disengage -> SAWS than just throwing up a ws and getting in an extra 1-3 attack rounds.
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#4 May 02 2011 at 6:23 PM Rating: Decent
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SirEaglestrike wrote:
For the most part you're going to lose more damage doing a sleep bolt -> disengage -> SAWS than just throwing up a ws and getting in an extra 1-3 attack rounds.


QFT. If you are doing it this way, it isn't worth the loss of melee time.

Having said that, it is possible to pull this off between attack rounds without disengaging or unlocking from your target. This allows you to swing around to the back very quickly without losing much melee time (JA pause mostly) while minimizing the chance that sleep will wear off before you are able to land your SAWS.

Edit: I'll elaborate because I've had a few people over the years tell me that they can't pull this off.

It looks like this: Melee Attack Round A > Sleep bolt > Swing around + SA Macro Mash > WS Macro Mash> Attack Round B

My macro's are set up such that control 3 is "Sneak Attack" and Control 4 is whatever WS the situation calls for.

The key is to fire the sleep bolt as soon as the animation for Attack Round A starts.

Distance from your target is also important. You must be close enough to swing around to its back quickly. It may or may not be fairly obvious but this also means that it won't work on some of the largest monster models, but does work for most things.

Once the sleep bolt hits, immediately swing around to its back while spamming your SA macro the whole time you are moving. You will get one or two "Unable to use Job ability" messages due to the recast delay on your ranged attack but as soon the recast time is up your Sneak Attack JA will Go off just as you get behind the mob. Sneak Attack will create that slight Job Ability pause giving you enough time to mash your WS macro and you will land your SAWS within the delay time of one attack round.

The timing can seem tricky at first but it doesn't take long to master.

Timing for gear swaps is going to vary based on the depth and variety of your gear sets as well as the level of the mob you are fighting. For farming mobs you should be fine just swaping to your WS gear one attack round + Bolt TP short of 100 and go from there. If the mob is particuarly high level feint is always available to land the attack round before hand as well.

Edited, May 2nd 2011 9:24pm by ThiefKiller
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#5 May 02 2011 at 7:05 PM Rating: Good
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Don't worry about sleep bolts the moment you get dancing edge, until then it's actually a worthwhile time investment to disengage > sleep bolt > SA Viper Bite.

Problem being of course the poison from VB is going to allow you one SAWS.

High level solo (for exp) is as people have said, just /DNC and grind EP-DC mobs (Outside of abyssea, inside you can indefinitely chain T-IT)

For high level NM soloing, bring your bolts, your adventuring fellow (In applicable areas for TA), and /NIN for shadows.

As far as claiming darts are one of your best options if you exclude sub job options. They really give just enough time to bypass the "immunity" phase in most cases due to the delay, and they allow you to use DD ammo pieces. Of course I do just fine with my raider's boomerang now, since competition is alot less fierce for everything these days it seems.

Welcome to the Thief forums, by the way.
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#6 May 03 2011 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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Thank you all for the information, it's very helpful indeed.

ThiefKiller wrote:
Load up on racc gear/food/etc and spam sleep bolts till the mob is dead > repeat. Pretty boring, but effective. (Is this the general skillup method you are referring to? I wasn't sure).


Yeah, partly. Sorry I wasn't too clear. The other part is in terms of skilling up areas/mobs I was going to follow this at least to get my skill up a bit: ffxiclopedia marksmanship skill guide - then after this once it's higher I was going to do other mobs that I normally skill up melee weapons at. Are there better mobs/zones or tricks to lvl this up faster beyond this method - in the way melee can skill up while awaying at the Zvahl fortalice?

Thanks again.
#7 May 03 2011 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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There's no auto-ranged attack so no. Of course you can find worms of the appropriate level and then make a script and/or macro to spam /ra. As mentioned above use sleep bolts for this as you don't want the higher leveled worms getting spells off.

Edited, May 3rd 2011 12:32pm by ElvaanTHF
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