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#1 Apr 07 2011 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
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I got a Twilight Dagger and i am trying to figure out the best option for my other dagger.

Right now I am on my last trial of my DEX/ACC Kila. 43 190 main and Twilight off hand?

Seems decent. I also am working on a AGI/EVA for tanking.

Also considering either getting Triplus and offhand that with the Twilight main????

OR LOL, last option is get the Ruda storm Dagger. Don't have it in me to get the Top Dagger but I am ok with farming WoE because a friend is gonna do them anyway.

Thoughts?

Edited, Apr 7th 2011 9:07am by Dezaar
#2 Apr 07 2011 at 11:32 AM Rating: Good
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Not including Twash, mandau, or Daka+2, STR Kila + triplus or twilight + triplus will probably give you the best overall DPS.

I finished a DEX Kila and honestly it hasn't seen the light of day. I'll probably keep it going with future trials just in case it has a few surprises coming, but as of now it's not that great.
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#3 Apr 07 2011 at 12:39 PM Rating: Excellent
Another option you may want to look into is the augmented Yataghan from Abyssea - Grauberg, cause with the best augments, you're looking at a dmg 43 dagger with crit hit dmg +6% on top of the existing stats on it (+24 HP and +6 eva)
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#4 Apr 08 2011 at 7:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Rapidus Sax.
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#5 Apr 08 2011 at 9:35 AM Rating: Good
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WOE dagger is still nice. You will be on the slow side with those delays, but the WS is very very nice and the DPS is solid. I like the unique aspect of the WS.

Though my personal choice would be just grab a rapidus. Its 100% drop and the new sirocco. If i could only pick 1 offhand in the game, that would be it. (screw TK!)
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#6 Apr 08 2011 at 10:36 AM Rating: Excellent
In all honesty I'd avoid the Rapidus Sax just because of how easily Thf can cap haste at 90. Take my Thf for example; I only have +1 Raider's legs as far as Empyrean goes for it, but I'm comfortably sitting at the haste cap using generally easy to obtain gear (Walahra Turban, Rapparee Harness, Homan Hands/Feet, Twilight Belt, and Raider's Culottes +1). Depending on your gear setup you may need that haste, but more likely than not you'll be able to easily cap your haste off in TP gear you'd want to be using anyway.

Edited, Apr 8th 2011 2:11pm by Vlorsutes
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#7 Apr 08 2011 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
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yeah im not a fan of rapidus either. As vlor stated, haste is easily capped with other gear. The acc isnt really needed either and the base damage is laughable compared to other daggers. So he only thing it's got to bring up its DPS is the delay.

Triplus is slightly harder to get, but I think it is totally worth getting if you get a chance.
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#8 Apr 08 2011 at 12:45 PM Rating: Good
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What has capping haste got to do with Rapidus Sax?

The point of Rapidus Sax is that it has a 150 delay which gains tp relatively faster then a higher delay weapon. See this chart: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/File:Tpgain.jpg

Capped haste with a 150 delay off-hand is better then capped haste with a 180 delay off-hand.

And yes capping haste (from just gear) is easy. Nobody was arguing that.

Edited, Apr 8th 2011 8:46pm by Breaze
#9 Apr 08 2011 at 12:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Breaze wrote:
What has capping haste got to do with Rapidus Sax?

The point of Rapidus Sax is that it has a 150 delay which gains tp relatively faster then a higher delay weapon. See this chart: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/File:Tpgain.jpg

Capped haste with a 150 delay off-hand is better then capped haste with a 180 delay off-hand.

And yes capping haste (from just gear) is easy. Nobody was arguing that.

Edited, Apr 8th 2011 8:46pm by Breaze



Wouldn't a Dmg:38 Dly:176 TripleAtk+3% (Triplus) in the longrun be better than a Dmg:32 Dly:150 Dagger? If acc isn't a concern and haste is capped nullifying the +1% on the dagger, wouldn't the triplus come out on top?

Also, since when is TP gain even an issue anymore? If I WS at 100% TP every time, I'd be WS 3-4 times per minute. A lot of time, I find myself with 200+ TP because I don't want to ruby the mob. The only times I ever use TP at 100% are when I'm trying to proc red or blue, and even then, I wait for the mob to stop using TP moves, which puts my TP around 150+ anyways...
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#10 Apr 10 2011 at 7:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Hello ^^

Im worry because a lot of thiefs here. Is losing the soul of a DD. Because of ruby lights. That is very sad. I will be focus only in do damage, when going a party and my goal is almost every battle start with a big EVI 2500 - 3000 range.

I was using Attack kila / Rapidus sax. I loved that combo right now iam using Triplus/Rapidus and iam sure this combo will be close Twilight/triplus.

The Dot Triplus/Rapidus sax. Is marvelous is like a the old blau/sir in steroids. Really having 25% haste and the body 3 DW and the amo 3 DW reduction. This combo will be very solid for now.

Iam using this TP set. I love that and im sure the delay is something very important. We have take in consideration use low delay daggers.

A litle advice and anecdote for all my dear thiefs.

The other Day i was in a abbysea party. The other party had a great dancer. After i check the parse i founded the dancer was Pretty near of my damage.

"Our eviseration numbers was almost the same". Her DOT was a little inferior because i was using triplus/rapidus and the triple attack merited and my low delay daggers was the diference.

She was using DNC/War and i was using Thf/war. Hmm i was surprised she was subing war. But i understand why. She was attacking faster than me because the haste samba.

"Iam absolute sure, i was using high delay daggers. She could win the parse without problems"

i was using atmas RR/GH/alpha and omega. She was using RR/GH/Apoc.

I did win for a short margin the parse. Iam sure if we dont take serious. What are the best combos for thief right now and we dont make comparations and maths. The dancers will be a rival very serious to defeat.

This was my tp
Thief/war -> Food red curry bun

weapons - Triplus / Rapidus.
ammo - Raider's Boomerang
Head - Raider's Bonnet +2
Neck - Love torque
Ear1 - Supa / Ear 2 - brutal
Body - The old DW 3 / Attack+10 Mirke Wardecore
hands - Homam Manopolas
Ring1 - Rajas / Ring2 - Keen Ring
Back - Atheling_Mantle
waist - Twilight Belt
Legs - Raider's Culottes +2
Feet - Homam Gambieras / Usually i use the ballarines. For get 26% haste. I was reading we need 26% haste for true get the 25% haste.

I have 26% haste for get the true 25% cap. and - 11% Dual Wield reduction from the body and the Ammo. Even with this i haved problems for keep up -_-. (Yes i was using solo SA and TA. When i haved the chance) Atmas i repeat RR/GH/Alpha and omega.

She was using.
Dnc/war - food red curry. She used the 3 hours thing. Not buns

Weapons - Twilight Knife / Attack kila 43 dmg str+9 attack + 20
ammo - Charis Feather
Head - Charis Tiara +2
Neck - Charis Necklace
ear1 - supa / Ear 2 - brutal
body - Charis Casaque +2 -> This body give 10% DW reduction -_- haxs
hands - Dusk Gloves +1
ring1 - rajas / ring 2 Thundersoul Ring
back - Atheling_Mantle
waist - Bullwhip Belt
legs - Charis Tights +2
feet - Charis Toeshoes +2

She can cap the haste without problems. But she have 18% DW reduction haxs -_- again i repeat she was using RR/GH/Apoc

So really guys. After this exp iam **** scared from the competent DD dancers.

#11 Apr 11 2011 at 2:53 AM Rating: Decent
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I never see Triplus/Rapidus combo mentioned. Wouldnt that be the new Blau/Sirocco? It's delay alone should make it a solid combo surely? even with the decreased WS damage over twilight/triplus or some other such non-empy/relic/mythic combo.

Edit: People are also for some reason ignoring Auric Dagger. Auric+Rapidus combo has 263 delay after DW, Triplus+Rapidus has 262 delay atfer DW, Auric also has a decent DMG rating.

Tbh even if I had the best dagger combos in the world I'd always slap on Auric for NMs/Tanking etc I think. It's DPS after DW is good and 10 Subtle Blow is a lot.

Edited, Apr 11th 2011 9:00am by Noodles
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#12 Apr 11 2011 at 9:02 AM Rating: Good
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When soloing (which I find I end up doing a lot even in groups), I have been using Flame Kila/Triplus mostly. This is mostly for one reason. I have discovered that when I use rapidus to solo I always (~90%) have at least 1 TP move used on me on most mobs. Making the switch to triplus lowered that rate down to ~5-10%.
#13 Apr 11 2011 at 9:11 AM Rating: Good
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Noodles wrote:
I never see Triplus/Rapidus combo mentioned. Wouldnt that be the new Blau/Sirocco? It's delay alone should make it a solid combo surely? even with the decreased WS damage over twilight/triplus or some other such non-empy/relic/mythic combo.

Edit: People are also for some reason ignoring Auric Dagger. Auric+Rapidus combo has 263 delay after DW, Triplus+Rapidus has 262 delay atfer DW, Auric also has a decent DMG rating.

Tbh even if I had the best dagger combos in the world I'd always slap on Auric for NMs/Tanking etc I think. It's DPS after DW is good and 10 Subtle Blow is a lot.

Edited, Apr 11th 2011 9:00am by Noodles

I'm currently an Auric/Rapidus user. Of course, I don't actually have an alternate at the moment aside from Angr Harpe, which I only use if I'm only to run in an WS/SA/TA instead of staying on.

I'm sure I'll get Triplus and/or Twilight soon(my ls has to to the NM sometime, or I could just wait pog it), but I'm sure I'll keep using Auric whenever I'm worried about tp feed, or tanking, lowman, etc, for the Subtle Blow.
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