TP feet questionFollow

Which feet are better for TP, Ballerines to cap haste or Raider's Poulaines +2 for set bonus which would leave me at 23% haste?

Every other slot has +2 in it so the feet would complete the set to TP in.

The triple attack damage boost is still an abysmally small number of your total hits that hitting faster is just better. Also what noodles said. if you dont need the full 4% haste, getting 6acc and 5atk back from switching back to homam=win.

Has anyone (this site or otherwise) done the math on the % damage increase of going from 4/5 to 5/5 Raider's +2? It's hard to compare without numbers (which would depend on atma's used ofc).

Since rapidus is currently a fairly good dagger, I'm curious how a 5/5 af + tiercel neck + rapidus (25% haste) set compares to a 4/5 26% haste (true cap) set. Particularly in an acc capped scenario (common), as we can safely assume the higher acc set would win otherwise.

How is everyone so certain that the bonus by adding another AF+2 piece is clearly beat out by 1.% haste?

head/legs/twilight/body/rapidus = 6/5/7/5/1 or 23.44% haste. It seems like we need to know the increase in rate of activation by adding a single piece to know if 1.56% haste beats the added damage with a 28% triple attack rate (apoc/merits/AFhead).

Or at the very least we need to know a "bounded" value for the additional piece (i.e. it's more than 1% but less than 10%) so we can calculate.

I'm not saying the extra haste isn't more valuable--I'm saying for how absolutely certain everyone is on this point I would think we'd have at least a bounded idea of this increase and a comparison has been done comparing the above scenario.

Nice way to math that out Noodles, i'd like to add some critiques if i may.

How did you find the 40% of our hits would be 2nd and 3rd from triple? With the same rates (27 triple, 10 double) i found 33%ish(27*2/161.3). But the main issue is why only use 2nd and 3rd hits? The set bonus procs on every hit as far as i know and experienced.

I don't get why ppl still use gh on dd atma combo. An old post here showed RR/AO/Apoc being better. Kinematics' spreadsheets also favors this combo for both dnc/war and nin/war without kannagi. Shouldn't be any different for us, even with our base 10% triple. So in usual situation - talking about normal mobs/easy nms as i don't have the guts to use AO on hard nms if i'm solo tanking - a thf could be rolling with a max 44% triple attack. With 44% triple almost 70% of melee hits comes from triples (44*3/195.28).

One with Twash could also favor rapidus instead of triplus or any other higher delay weapon (as Banalty observed some time ago) so we could increase the ODDD frequency. Not only does the combo has better raw dps, but a 5/5 af makes use of the 1% haste on rapidus too.

It should come out like this in the end:
6% on 50% of melee hits (27% triple) on 60% melee damage: 1.8% increase.
6% on 67% of melee hits (44% triple) on 60% melee damage: 2.4% increase.

Well, now that i stopped to think about it, we shouldn't use that 2% coming from 10-8 on af5/5 - af4/5. We actually need to use something like what we use to calculate the average number of hits per hand.

Idk what's our af proc rate. I thought it was 5% on 5/5? Let's use 5% for now, and take 4/5 af as 3%.
With 5% proc rate: 95% of our triples will do normal damage. 5% will do triple.
0.95*1 + 0.05*3 = 1.1; 10% increase on overall triple damage.
With 3% proc rate: 97% of our triples will do normal damage. 3% will do triple.
0.97*1 + 0.03*3 = 1.06; 6% increase on overall triple damage.

To get our actual increase in dps we just need to multiply these numbers by those we had before. The % that triple hits compromise to our mult hit average, and % that dot compromises to our overall damage. So taking 44% triple and 60% dot damage we have:
10% * 0.67 * 0.6 = 4.02% increase to our damage.
6% * 0.67 * 0.6 = 2.41% increase to our damage.
-> Going from 4 to 5 pieces: 1.57% increase.
With 27% triple:
10% * 0.5 * 0.6 = 3% increase to our damage.
6% * 0.5 * 0.6 = 1.8% increase to our damage.
-> Going from 4 to 5 pieces: 1.17% increase.

Soooo, it's time i change my stance on using af bonus i guess lol. This isn't good at all. 0.58% haste gained by reaching the real haste cap will beat this easily. Although the calculation was made using an assumed proc rate. Also if the set bonus increase is higher by going from 4 to 5 pieces than by going from 3 to 4, it will affect this greatly. Still, using 4/5 af is a decent enough boost on itself. No reason not to go that way at least while we are talking about abyssea and super triple rates.

Edited, Feb 27th 2011 3:15pm by Laphine

Late edit to fix af proc rate. Used 3% for 4 pieces and 5% for 5, as it seem to be the currently accepted.



Edited, Mar 9th 2011 10:42pm by Laphine

Because I thought the set bonus only affetced the 2nd and 3rd swings, and was wrong there. 40% was because I did: 27 TA 10 DA, 100 + 10 + (27*2) = 164. 64/164 is 39%, making a mistake and forgetting to remove the DA from it, so it would be ~33%, like you state. It was simple math so didn't account for DA and TA not being able to proc on the same strike.

You mention using AO over GH. To be honest, I've never known which to use. On Drg I go RR/VV/Apoc, but I wouldn't use VV on thf. For thief, you say it's been calulated and that AO is better. Does it only win marginally? Or did it have a significant lead? I wouldn't mind parsing it to be honest, but it'll have to wait till I need merits again.