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#1 Feb 14 2011 at 4:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Tp sets are

head:af3+2
body:acp 3DW 10 acc
handa:ocolot
legs:af3+2
Feet"ballarins
ring1:epona
ring2:raja
ear1:suppi
ear2:brutal
ammo:radierB
neck:Ags collor
back:alth mantle
belt:twilight belt

takes 22 hits to 100 tp and swing speed with no outside help is 2.94 /nin.

next is

head:af3+2
body:acp Loki
handa:ocolot
legs:af3+2
Feet"ballarins
ring1:hoard 4stp
ring2:raja
ear1:suppi
ear2:brutal
ammo:radierB
neck:Ags collor
back:alth mantle
belt:twilight belt

this one is 20 hits to 100 but 3.8 sec per swing but more crit dmg from loki i dont use rapidus or the 1% haste neck so only
24.61% haste on both thos




Edited, Feb 14th 2011 5:39am by Thfwarrior
#2 Feb 14 2011 at 11:21 AM Rating: Good
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Just based on your math:
Option 1
Time to 100% TP = 32.24 sec (2.94 * 22 / 2)

Option 2
Time to 100% TP = 38 sec (3.8 * 20 / 2)

In 38 seconds, option 1 would have 12.9 rounds or 4 hits more than option 2. Even if you don't count WS, I doubt the extra dmg from option 2's gear will make up for the dmg of 4 extra hits.


Edited, Feb 14th 2011 12:32pm by NarelCaitsith
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#3 Feb 14 2011 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Or consider:
Head "Raider's Bonnet +2"
Neck "Love Torque" or Agasaya's Collar
Ranged "Raider's Boomerang"
Body "Raider's Vest +2"
Hands "Raider's Armlets +2"
Back "Atheling Mantle"
Waist "Twilight Belt"
Legs "Raider's Culottes +2"
Feet "Homam Gambieras"
Ear1 "Suppanomimi"
Ear2 "Brutal Earring"
Ring1 "Epona's Ring"
Ring2 "Rajas Ring"

for 26% gear-haste-cap.

As for atma. There are different atma for different situations. What are you killing in this tp set?
#4 Feb 15 2011 at 8:47 AM Rating: Good
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My current setup:
Main Auric Dagger
Sub Rapidus Sax
Head Raider's Bonnet +1
Body Rapparee Harness
Hands Homam Manopolas
Legs Raider's Culottes +1
Feet Homam Gambieras
L.Ear Suppanomimi
R.Ear Brutal Earring
Neck Love Torque
Back Amemet Mantle +1
Waist Twilight Belt
L.Ring Ulthalam's Ring
R.Ring Rajas's ring

I know there are a few pieces that could use upgrading, but most of this stuff is attainable without too much effort.
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#5 Feb 15 2011 at 9:58 AM Rating: Good
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NarelCaitsith wrote:
Amemet Mantle +1
Ewww. Foragers Mantle is like 30k and Atheling Mantle is a 100% drop from something you could kill with just thf+whm.
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#6 Feb 15 2011 at 3:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Noodles wrote:
NarelCaitsith wrote:
Amemet Mantle +1
Ewww. Foragers Mantle is like 30k and Atheling Mantle is a 100% drop from something you could kill with just thf+whm.

Forager's Mantle - Minor upgrade at best
Atheling Mantle - Too busy trying to upgrade other jobs' AF3 and gathering atma to do everything else I should

Like I said, some pieces need upgrading... Thanks for the suggestion tho, I'll be happy to beat it up when my friend is back from vacation! If you got any other upgrade suggestions, don't hesitate posting them.
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#7 Feb 15 2011 at 4:41 PM Rating: Decent
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NarelCaitsith wrote:
Noodles wrote:
NarelCaitsith wrote:
Amemet Mantle +1
Ewww. Foragers Mantle is like 30k and Atheling Mantle is a 100% drop from something you could kill with just thf+whm.

Forager's Mantle - Minor upgrade at best
Atheling Mantle - Too busy trying to upgrade other jobs' AF3 and gathering atma to do everything else I should

Like I said, some pieces need upgrading... Thanks for the suggestion tho, I'll be happy to beat it up when my friend is back from vacation! If you got any other upgrade suggestions, don't hesitate posting them.


Keep the Amemet +1 man, +1 STR does ??? 25% +1 base damage 75% nothing if you are out of Abyssea, inside abyssea it does 100% 0 base damage more than likely if you are on top of Furtherance abyssites. +15 ranged atk is beneficial on both thf and cor as well unless you have another back piece you use for ranged attack like Navarach Mantle for cor or that massive ranged acc back piece from abyssea.

Edited, Feb 15th 2011 4:43pm by Meldi
#8 Feb 16 2011 at 3:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Lol at Ranged Attack when you only use the weapon to proc additional effects and even if you were DDing with it the highest level bolt you can use is like Lv30 or something.
Should be either using a Racc piece or an Evasion piece (as most of the time you're spamming bolts, you're also getting attacked). Lynx Mantle +1 would be a very solid bet.

Meldi wrote:
Keep the Amemet +1 man, +1 STR does ??? 25% +1 base damage 75% nothing if you are out of Abyssea, inside abyssea it does 100% 0 base damage more than likely if you are on top of Furtherance abyssites.

It's true that 1str is only a minor upgrade (of 0-1 Attack and 0-1 fStr) but it's so cheap. It would be like someone using Errant legs instead of Mahatma legs (5k and 15k price, compared to amem/foragers 20k and 30k price).
It may not do anything inside abyssea most of the time, but outside it still could, and that should be reason enough to spend like 10k on it.
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#9 Feb 16 2011 at 5:50 AM Rating: Decent
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yea lately i been tryin 4/5 af3 capped haste. with atma of apoc RR and GH. its cool and my set bounes does proc. but will it beat my 1st gear set i posted i still only swing every 3.7 sec. tho i have way more acc and att i wasnt sure. maybe i should change my atma as well. i use str kila and triplus dagger btw. i have rep and twilight i could use off hand too but triplus does feel the best atm. also gonna have Twash really soon 50/50 on shells ^^. anyone know the best 3 atma for thf to use for DDing. which tp set is better out of af3 4/5 and the 1st one i posted. and whats thf best off hand ?
#10 Feb 16 2011 at 9:13 AM Rating: Good
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Im completely confused. What daggers are you using? The only difference in atk speed is going from mirke 3% DW to loki. If you have the same daggers, 3% DW wont take you from 2.9 to 3.8 seconds per round. thats like a 30% slower atk speed. 3% DW is NOT going to do that. Did you add an extra 0 from 3 to 30% DW or something? You never said what daggers you are actually using.
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#11 Feb 16 2011 at 9:33 AM Rating: Good
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Its more accurate to calculate things with delay as opposed to seconds.
With the gear I listed as my current set, here is my current delay:

Rapidus Sax - 1% Haste
Raider's Bonnet +1 - 5% Haste
Raider's Culottes +1 - 4% Haste
Rapparee Harness - 4% Haste
Homam Manopolas - 3% Haste
Homam Gambieras - 3% Haste
Twilight Belt - 7% Haste
Total 27% (obviously this is capped to 25%)

Auric Dagger - 5% DW
Suppanomimi - 5% DW
THF/NIN DW Trait - 25% DW
Total 35%

Delay 201 (Auric Dagger) + 150 (Rapidus Sax) = 301
301 * (1 - 0.25) = 225.75
225.75 * (1 - 0.35) = 146.7375

After Haste and Dual Wield, my delay is 147.

If I wanted to compare 2 dagger sets, I would calculate the delay per attack round for each set and compare that.
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#12 Feb 16 2011 at 10:08 AM Rating: Decent
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mybad i ment to put 2.94 and 3.07 sec. and im useing str kila and triplus sry for the mistake
#13 Feb 17 2011 at 8:59 AM Rating: Good
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Set 1
Raider's Bonnet +2 - Haste +6%
Ocelot Gloves - Haste +3%
Raider's Culottes +2 - Haste +5%
Twilight Belt - Haste +7%
Ballerines - Haste +4%
Total 25%

Mirke Wardecors - DW +3%
Suppanomimi - DW +5%
Raider's Boomerang - DW +3%
Total 36%

Delay 190 (Kila +2) + 176 (Triplus Dagger) = 366
Haste 366 * (1 - 0.25) = 274.5
Dual Wield 274.5 * (1 - 0.36) = 175.68

Set 2
Raider's Bonnet +2 - Haste +6%
Ocelot Gloves - Haste +3%
Raider's Culottes +2 - Haste +5%
Ballerines - Haste +4%
Twilight Belt - Haste +7%
Total 25%

Suppanomimi - DW +5%
Raider's Boomerang - DW +3%
Total 33%

Delay 190 (Kila +2) + 176 (Triplus Dagger) = 366
Haste 366 * (1 - 0.25) = 274.5
Dual Wield 274.5 * (1 - 0.33) = 190.575


In the same timeframe, you'll get 8.47% more attack rounds with Set 1 than Set 2. So if you were to compare, Set 2 would need at least 8.47% Store TP to compensate for the TP difference before you can even consider damage.
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#14 Feb 17 2011 at 11:30 AM Rating: Good
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you actually dont need 8.47% Stp unless the tp/hit is the same (depends on favorable rounding). I'd usually double check but in a meeting right now :P (I finally got a smart phone!).

Also thanks for clearing that up thfwarrior. Those were sounding weird.

Edited, Feb 17th 2011 12:36pm by Banalaty
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#15 Feb 17 2011 at 2:17 PM Rating: Good
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Banalaty wrote:
you actually dont need 8.47% Stp unless the tp/hit is the same (depends on favorable rounding). I'd usually double check but in a meeting right now :P (I finally got a smart phone!).

Also thanks for clearing that up thfwarrior. Those were sounding weird.

Edited, Feb 17th 2011 12:36pm by Banalaty

Set 1
Combined Delay : 190 + 176 = 366
Reduced Delay : 366 * (1 - 0.36) = 234.24
Reduced Delay per hand : 234.24 / 2 = 117.12
TP gain per hand : 5.0 + [(117.12 - 180) * 1.5 / 180] = 4.476
TP gain per round : 4.4 * 2 = 8.8

Set 2
Combined Delay : 190 + 176 = 366
Reduced Delay : 366 * (1 - 0.33) = 245.22
Reduced Delay per hand : 245.22 / 2 = 122.61
TP gain per hand : 5.0 + [(122.61 - 180) * 1.5 / 180] = 4.52175
TP gain per round : 4.5 * 2 = 9

That is a difference of 0.2 TP per hit, or 2.27% less TP for 3% Dual Wield. You were right in that he doesn't need 8.47% Store TP to make up for the slower attack rounds, but haste still needs to be factored in when you calculate potential gain / loss of TP from Dual Wield.
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