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#1 Jan 10 2011 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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Hey guys, I am just coming back to the game after about a 4 month break and I am looking at upgrading some AF3. I am planning on doing probably this order and I was wondering what you guys think.

Raider's Bonnet +1/+2
Raider's Armlets +1/+2
Raider's Vest +1/+2
Raider's Poulaines +1/+2
Raider's Culottes +1/+2

What are your guys' thoughts on this progression for AF3 upgrade.
#2 Jan 10 2011 at 10:38 AM Rating: Decent
Just go with the flow.

The best parts to +1/+2 first would be head and legs, but the feet are a very nice eva piece.
First part i got that had a blue border were my feet since i did it with my LS and they wanted TH5.
#3 Jan 10 2011 at 12:58 PM Rating: Good
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Path of least resistance over any predetermined order imo. Feet (Amarilla), legs (manhora) are probably the 'easiest' to +1. Head+1 isnt bad either since they moved gieremund to a ~15 min timeer instead of 1-1.5 hours.

So long as you can find a mage to back you up, you can easily do feet/head/leg/hand +1. I actually havent gotten started on the body yet. The +2s are dependant on what kind of help you can get. I wouldnt really pick an 'order' to go in. Just duo or more for the +1s as you can get them done. +2s jump ant any opportunity that presents itself.
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#4 Jan 10 2011 at 7:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Personaly, I find the head and hands most useful.

The buffalo that drops the hands can be soloed/lowmanned but he has high defense and HP so it will take longer.

Gieremund that drops head seals can also be soloed. Pallid percy can be duoed pretty easily also.

None of the +1's are very hard to get though.

I haven't gotten any +2's yet (not much play time these days) but a lot of the pop sets can also be soloed/low manned/obtained via gold chests. I have soloed all the NM's for Amhuluk pop set etc.
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#5 Jan 11 2011 at 2:36 PM Rating: Good
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I hanven't gotten any +2's yet either, and still missing body (5/10) and feet (1/8, but not worrying about until I get the +2 items).

I was going to question the +1 Body... I currently use Mirke and amo wondering if the +1/2 would be better than if for TP build. with the +1 having the 4% Haste, it looks nice (and considering I see a sickening amount of people in Raparee still at 90... it likely has some sort of win associated with it lol). How does the Body stack up against the other options out there? I have been trying to get a group to help me with Loki's, but so far no luck there.

As for my personal order (strictly on my preference) I would do:
Head
Legs
Hands
Body
Feet

All are relatively easy to get these days for +1, and I am sure that the +2's will come when I finally break down and ditch my local group that doesn't get together often enough, and join a small group that are a little more serious about getting the +2's.
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#6 Jan 11 2011 at 8:35 PM Rating: Good
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Body is good if you can't cap haste without the body. If you can (Hat +2, dusk+1, twilight belt, legs +2 bailarines) use loki.

Edited, Jan 11th 2011 9:37pm by LafingCat
#7 Jan 12 2011 at 9:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Does using loki's in as a body with dusk+1 hands really beat (or come enough ahead of to worry with dusk +1) using AF3 body and hands?

crit damage+, 11 dex, stp (7? I forget atm), 6att vs 10 dex, 5 dagger skill, 8str+dex, 12 acc, 16 att.

I lean towards the AF3 build for the higher attack personally. Plus you only need 3 haste on the feet, and can get back 5 att off ballerines + whatever stats are on the feet you choose, or use +2 haste feet + tiercel (which works ok as LT vs tiercel is really 7 att vs 5 subtle blow in abyssea, which are both useful).

But anyway, basically loki's vs Af3 hands? which would you rather wear?
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#8 Jan 12 2011 at 10:22 AM Rating: Good
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There are basically 3 builds (and a 4th situational) that I am considering once we have all the gear.

1: 4/5 AF+Homam feet (26% haste)
2: Loki body/Dusk gloves+1/Ballerines/AFhead/AFlegs (26% haste, 5%crit damage, 7stp)
3: DW Mirke/Dusk gloves+1/Ballerines/AFhead/AFlegs (26% haste, 3% DW)
4: (situational). Same as 1, but swaps AF hands for homam and Homam feet for AF feet. TP set with TH, more eva, and agi for subtle blow. Might use this for a general solo-ish/lowman/tank set at the expense of AF DD hands.

Differences: All use hat/legs so just checking other 3 slots

1: 4/5 AF set=
Body:dex10, dagger5
Hands: Dex8, str8, Acc12, Atk16
HomamFt. Acc6
Net:Acc 31-32, Atk 25, Dex18(crit), Str 8(~2Fstr)

2: Loki set:
Loki: Dex11, STP7, Crit dam5%
Dusk+1: 6atk
Ballerines: atk-5
Net: Acc 5-6, Atk 1, Dex11(Crit), Crit Dam5%, STP7

3: Mirke DW Set:
Mirke: Acc10, DW3%, Dex5, Str5
Dusk+1: 6atk
Ballerines: Atk-5
Net: 12-13acc, Atk 3-4, Dex5(Crit), Str5(1.25fstr), DW3%


Off the bat my gut says #1. That is a TON of acc and atk by a long shot and still has the most dex and str of all sets. It just has a LOT more of all DD stats. It has 26 more acc thank loki set, 19 more than mirke set. 2fstr over loki, ~1 fstr over mirke. 7dex for crit rate over loki, 13 over mirke. 24 atk over loki and 21-22 atk over mirke set.

That is a LOT of boost accross the board. 5% crit rate and STP 7 have a very hard fight to beat out 26acc, 24atk, 8str, 7dex. You would HAVE to be acc capped for it to even stand a chance. 13% hit rate alone is brutal to compete against and that ignores 2fstr and 24 atk and loldex that it still has to overcome. Inside or outside abyssea.....thats looking bad for loki.

I had more hope for mirke, but even I am wondering about that now. Mirke basically pits 3% DW vs 19acc, 0.75fstr, 13 lolDex, and 21-22atk. Again, acc would NEED to be capped for mirke to stand a chance.

Dont have time to try to extrapolate the boosts to STP at this second (depends heavily on dagger combo used and use of boomerang or not) or the crit damage boost. But the sheer acc alone of set #1 just seems insurmountable for both DPS and TP gain. Even if it is (IE acc capped), there is still redonkulous amounts of atk and str to contend with that should easily rival 5% crit damage or 3% DW in DPS. I am really struggling to see the benefit of loki or mirke in ideal 26% haste builds.
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Oh and i forgot: 4/5 AF set ALSO gets more triple attack set bonus which is just that much more oomph from triple damage tripples than the other 2 sets with only 2 pieces of AF. Also the Dex for crit rate may actually matter outside of abyssea while the overall critrate will drop like a rock outside of abyssea reducing Loki's boost with far fewer crits.

With that, Im willing to call it the nail in the coffin. I have now convinced myself to go for 4/5 AF+homam feet+twilight belt.

Edited, Jan 12th 2011 11:24am by Banalaty
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#9 Jan 12 2011 at 10:53 AM Rating: Good
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Out of curiosity, are we essentially in the situation of 26% haste or bust now? What about something like AF3 Head/Body/Hands + Ocelot Trousers + Homam Feet @ 25% haste? Does losing that 1% haste really make or break the set or what?
#10 Jan 12 2011 at 11:21 AM Rating: Good
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If were talking about 'ideal' damage sets then it will ALWAYS include twilight belt, AF Hat and legs +2 no matter what because they are just the best TP pieces by a wide margin. This puts you at 18% haste. 7-8% haste is easy to fill with the other slots, particularly if you have +2 body. The only real concession I would consider would be a set using ballerines for 26% haste and just drop to 25% haste and use homam feet for +6acc and +5atk since the last 1% isnt really a full 1% and all that jazz. Those are some hefty hits to make for less than 1% haste. There are a few option also that can result in 25% haste and use a rapidus sax as well (like the above example).

Of course there are TONS of 'good' TP sets that can be cobbled together with various AF+1/2 and other gear (and that is where most of us are). Ocelot and homam among other things. Personally, I am running:
Kila+2/Kila+2(or rapidus)/Raid. Boomerang
Hat+2/Love/Brutal/Suppa
MirkeDW/Homam/Raja/Mars
Atheling/Twilight/AF+2/Homam

Until I manage to get body+1/2 done and hands+2 done. I also dont have ballerines yet.

But realistically, if you can create an ideal set with any premiere gear you want, it will always include twilight belt, AF head+2 and Legs+2 and some rather obvious (and few) real contenders for the remaining body/feet/hand slots for a good haste oriented set. (AF body, loki, mirke, homam hand/feet, dusk, ballerines etc).


Edited, Jan 12th 2011 12:26pm by Banalaty
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#11 Jan 13 2011 at 5:09 PM Rating: Good
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Are attack and accuracy such a non issue now that using Bailerines instead of homam and losing 5 atk and 6 accuracy is actually worth the 1% haste on it? These feet just don't seem that attractive for normal use to me. That being said, how about this for a 26% haste set as I don't see myself getting twilight belt any time soon.

AF3+2 head
AF3+2 body
Dusk/Homam hands
Ocelot trousers (Could use AF3 here instead but would be 1% haste over 26%, and the way I see it, Ocelot are just as good when you don't need all the haste and possibly better if you are tanking because of the +10 evasion and enmity)
Homam feet
Goading belt
#12 Jan 13 2011 at 6:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Problem with a set like that is you can use less slots for haste. 7% haste belt + homam feet + af3 +2 legs free up the hands for af3 hands. goadings stp doesnt beat the attack gains imo and 2% more triple attack enhancement.

It is not worth trying to make goading work on thf as 7% haste belts are too easy to get.
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#13 Jan 13 2011 at 6:41 PM Rating: Good
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Building around a goading belt, you can swap homam hands for raiders +2, ocelot for raiders+2, homam feet for ballerines, and your neck (love torque?), for tiercel. That would be a net gain of 2 acc, 4 attack, 8str, 10 dex, and crit rate+4%.

I couldn't say if the neck swap is ideal in every situation; I was just suggesting a set that was superior while using goading, and still capping haste.

I'm a bit out of the gear loop recently for incredibly good reasons (sc2). Has the "best tp set possible" been mathed about by anyone in the community?
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