Atma of the Alpha and the OmegaFollow

O.o. Is that HP minus though? How bad was the HP hit?

I was using this coupled with Hybrid Beast (because I don't have RR or any other good atmas, stupid work during ls hours). I wish I had a working parser at the time, but for 5 hours continuously I was using this pair. TP gain was noticeably higher and quite often I would still be hitting a mob after it was dead as if I was using a kraken club. This was not the case prior to using these atmas.

I wish I had more than anecdotal evidence, but over at BG they're quiting at least a 10% increase on alpha/omega.

Gear was the following, so there was no augmented triple attack rate beyond 5/5 Triple attack merits:

Auric/Rapidus/xbow/bolt
af3+1/tiercel/suppa/brutal
rap/homam/rajas/ulth
amemet+1/swift/af3+1/homam

Finally grabbed teh new memlocs for KParser, so on my next foray into abyssea I'll try and use just alpha/omega on nin, or another job w/out native triple attack or triple attack gear.

4-5 Out of twenty > 10%.

If it were indeed 30% instead of 10, that would be sick for non-6-hit WS's.

5% base traits (and have a question on that one)
5% from merit
10% from Omega's Atma
3% from ring (optional)
3% from new dagger (optional)
1% from earring (more than optional)
(I wont count the accessory waist, we better use some haste there).

27% Triple Atk rate, with 4/5 AF3+2 augments, how much or DoT will increase ?

Back to the first statement > 5% base traits. Is there a possibility we earned a new version there ? Could explain the 30% from first post (but for sure I'm sceptic about it).

Edited, Dec 8th 2010 10:24am by Neraya

Aww thats what i get for taking that "30% TA rate" from a few peoples anecdotal experiences. Oh well, it takes some of the OMGZ away from my other post, but oh well. That is still good.

If I understand it right, each +2 piece after the 1st adds 10% proc for triple damage on the additional 2 hits of each triple attack? If i end up with my 4/5 +2 TP set, that would be 30% proc rate. So with base/merits/this atma/af+2 helm we would have a 23% triple rate. Ignoring DA for the moment just for a ballpark.

100swings=146 swings with 23% TA. All 43 can proc the triple damage proc at a 30% rate.

30% of 46=13.8 procs

each proc adds the equivalent of 2 more hits (basically as if you tripled on a triple regarding damage). This gives equvalent damage to 27.6 more hits.

146+27.6=173.6 hits worth of damage.

173.6/146=18.9% more damage.

So with atma, merits, and AF2 head for TA, our damage would jump up by nearly 19% from the set bonus alone. That is a very nice and tangible boost. Upping melee damage by a straight up 19% just for wearing sexy gear we would probably want to use anyway is very very nice.

Though I would like some confirmation that the 10% proc rate for each piece past the 1st is in fact how it works. I am remembering that from somewhere, but not sure exactly where and could be wrong.

I used on WAR and NIN so far. I didn't really paid attention on both and so I didn't notice it on NIN also. Well the job already swing katana fast so it wasn't obvious when 3A goes. But on WAR it was amazing some time.
I got one 24TP return on Raging Rush (I do have a 6-hit build but still 24 damn!) and got more than 60TP in what was supposed to be one swing of my GA. Funny ^^

Now I considering to use it coupled with Atma of the Hybrid Beast (3A & 2A minor). Not really for a DDing purpose but for a skillup one ! More hits, more skillup keep it simple !

Edited, Dec 10th 2010 6:21pm by Neraya

Personally I would use Cloak and Dagger, Siren Shadow and Stronghold for solo and replace Stronghold with Dark Depths for lowman tanking.

Edited, Dec 12th 2010 6:16pm by Lobivopis

Dark Depths gives you "Major" critical hit rate increase though.

AGI has a 2:1 rate for giving evasion, I'll give you that, but don't forget that AGI has a twofold impact on your overall evasion, first AGI vs DEX check and then the added evasion it gives.

Considering a level 90 THF has an evasion skill of 361 capped (unmerited) in addition to 48 evasion from traits, and you stack on another 17 skill from Boxer's Mantle and Evasion Torque plus 27 evasion from assorted gear that lands you at 453 evasion. Granted this is in no way a huge amount, it is to the point where I've seen AGI doing extremely well in boosting the actual evasion, high enough in fact that I have been taking down IT mobs while getting a VT-IT link halfway through and only taking a few hits, if any at all. Also factor in the regen from Stronghold and you're recovering 300 hp per minute giving you almost no downtime.

Oh, and there is such a thing as overdoing it, even if the atmas mentioned does push you to 7-800+ that's kinda pointless if you can get away with way less and boost other stats so you can kill faster.

for building up lights and pure DD im using. stout arm, RR, alpha and omega ( im missing malboro atma to try out ; ; )
once lights are built for my group i'll split off and get multiple NMs i then switch over to RR GH amd mounted champion
20 hp regen is fawking amazing

This may have been true pre: 2X evasion Kila, additional evasion bonus traits, better evasion gear, AF3 Feet, cruor buffs, atmas, etc etc etc. But not anymore. It is certainly possible to cap evasion on a lot of high tier NMs.

We I don't. But assuming and aserting it as fact is fun XD.

It would make sense though seeing as how every other job has had increased tiers of their comparable job traits.

That, and it is a LOT easier to evade, even big game, now than it ever has been. Then again we are walking around with 200+ AGL from cruor buffs, atmas, increased evasion skill etc soooooo...maybe. maybe not.

I have not seen any tests regarding additional evasion bonus traits.

I'm more interested in trying to figure out how the AF3 bonnet (or if my enmity set does anything) effects accomplice/collaborator.

Edited, Dec 16th 2010 2:54am by ThiefKiller

Every day. In every way.

And of course AGI lowers an enemy's TP gain from player hits now too.

That apocalypse one sounds durty durty durty. Right now I'm considering that and RR + Scorpion Queen.