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#1 Nov 12 2010 at 11:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have been hunting a lot of NM's in abyssea lately to try and make gil/ farm seals. I haven't had a LOT of playtime lately but I thought it would be interesting to have this discussion. Have you done any soloing in abyssea? What NM's have you tackled?

I'll start:

Gieremund: Got most of my head seals this way
Sacrophilus: Bersail Cap. (Sorry Banalaty, sold to you before price droped XD)
Avalerion: For spiral ring (to sell) and BRD leg seals
Piasa: For a friend who needed the shield
Athamas: For leg seals

There have to be more NMs, so I'm starting to research and I dont think any of these are all that impressive so I was wanting to get some feedback from the THF community to see what mobs you have solo experience with or speculate are THF friendly to solo?

Edit: Listing some of the THF soloable NM feedback and strategies used:


Edited, Dec 24th 2010 2:45am by ThiefKiller
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#2 Nov 12 2010 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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Mind posting your strat for Sacrophilus? Been wanting bersail cap for a while, but never tried it before.

And also I'm sorry but I have to ask...are these true solos (just you as THF) or are you using a mage mule too? Wouldn't mind trying some of those (although I do 99% of my soloing on DNC, THF sounds like it would be much harder)
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#3 Nov 12 2010 at 1:26 PM Rating: Good
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Sacrophilus should be pretty easy for a THF (and DNC I would excpect). I was suprised actually, at how easy he was. I was soloing him before I had any useful atmas at all (well, aside from TH atma since I was farming him XD).

Sacrophilus notes:
  • THF mob = Highish evasion (you may need some acc food depending on your atma's/gear)
  • Triple Attacks Frequently
  • Has an enpoison effect that is weakish initially but seems to stack the more he hits you with it (and toxic spit). This is his only real threat in my oppion and can get really nasty if you let it. But antidotes are cheap so just bring a stack or two and you'll be fine.
  • Seems to favor toxic spit (poison, ignores shadows but doesnt wipe them), geist wall (Dispels multiple effects. Wipes shadows) and numbing noise (Stun effect. Ignores shadows but doesn't strip them). Once in a while he will use cyclotail (aoe damage) and rarely have I seen nimble snap (single target damage)
  • Spawned by trading a ripped eft skin (quite cheap on AH) to the ??? nnorth of conflux 2 in Konschtat Highlands
  • The efts around him do not aggro but will link with him
  • I like to pull him to the martello on the hill. No chance of adds up there.


THF solo notes:
  • Para Arrows (These made things a lot easier in the beginning but I dont really use them now), Blind bolts, Bloody bolts, Acid bolts all proc well. But again, he has high evasion so if your racc gear is not solid you may want to consider racc food if you plan to use them
  • 2x Evasion Kila +1. This is really enough for me to be comfortable idling in my regular tp gear. I have a max evsion set for emergencies: In case I'm stunned and shadows are down, or if he got a lucky triple attack and I had to cast ichi etc. All in all, his acc is managable though.
  • Obvious things like making sure you have antidotes, getting all the HP restore items you can get for cruor, etc.
  • I can't imagine anyone with a decent atma set having any trouble with him.

Hope that helps

Edit: Oh, and yes, its always me and just me. ALLLLL BYYYYY MYYYYsehEHellllf /song. I like to find things I can do by myself. Makes it easier to just pick up and get it done on my time. And I dont have a dual box account etc so yeah.

Edited, Nov 12th 2010 7:19pm by ThiefKiller
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#4 Nov 12 2010 at 1:32 PM Rating: Good
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I personally haven't tried but I have seen alot of thfs soloing bat and normal bird nms in Mis Coast. Using full eva setups these thfs would never really get hit ever.
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#5 Nov 12 2010 at 1:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Mirax wrote:
I personally haven't tried but I have seen alot of thfs soloing bat and normal bird nms in Mis Coast. Using full eva setups these thfs would never really get hit ever.



I think full evasion sets will be over kill for the birds (outside of Osh*t moments with manohra, like being stunned or silence aura).

The bat with his evasion down move and fast attacks I could see fulltiming evasion maybe. But without strong DD atmas that would be a miserably long fight and he would likely outlive you.

But yeah, my next plan is to start soloing Amhuluk pops soon.

Edited, Nov 12th 2010 2:48pm by ThiefKiller
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#6 Nov 12 2010 at 1:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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For things not on your list, I've managed to solo Chasmic Hornet over in La Theine Plateau, and Whiro in Attowah Chasm. For atmas I find myself leaning on Razed Ruins and Cloak and Dagger. Cloak and Dagger gives major evasion and accuracy, which seems to make me ****-near impossible to hit. Gear--wise I lean on a decent Subtle Blow set which is currently +40 while still holding 21% haste with room for growth.

For Chasmic Hornet, it's basically a crap shoot on if he'll use Chasmic Sting or not. If he does, then you've wasted your time. Managed to get the abyssite from him as well, so I was pretty happy with it.

Whiro in the chasm can be a little rough on you though. He leans really heavily on Cyclotail, and as his HP drops he'll start using it back to back (to back). Make sure you've got a few meds on hand though and you should be fine.

My next target, should I actually find the guy up, is Brooder. He's the tier 2 VNM in La Theine (and who I was looking for when I decided to give Chasmic Hornet a shot) and I think it should be a fairly easy fight.

I'm interested to hear about your Gieremund strategy, by the way. Same as the others, basically? How did you deal with the paralyze?
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#7 Nov 12 2010 at 2:44 PM Rating: Good
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dawdr wrote:
For things not on your list, I've managed to solo Chasmic Hornet over in La Theine Plateau, and Whiro in Attowah Chasm. For atmas I find myself leaning on Razed Ruins and Cloak and Dagger. Cloak and Dagger gives major evasion and accuracy, which seems to make me ****-near impossible to hit. Gear--wise I lean on a decent Subtle Blow set which is currently +40 while still holding 21% haste with room for growth.

For Chasmic Hornet, it's basically a crap shoot on if he'll use Chasmic Sting or not. If he does, then you've wasted your time. Managed to get the abyssite from him as well, so I was pretty happy with it.

Whiro in the chasm can be a little rough on you though. He leans really heavily on Cyclotail, and as his HP drops he'll start using it back to back (to back). Make sure you've got a few meds on hand though and you should be fine.

My next target, should I actually find the guy up, is Brooder. He's the tier 2 VNM in La Theine (and who I was looking for when I decided to give Chasmic Hornet a shot) and I think it should be a fairly easy fight.


Very nice. I might try chasmic some time for the mantle. You'll have to let us know how brooder goes.

I've kind of settled in to RR/GH (If I cant get away with RR/dread) but I dont have cloak and dagger yet so I havent tried it. GH gives a lot of evasion as well and also adds counter, which will help avoid hits where adding more evasion over the cap will not. AS well GH + RR should put you at about 74% crit rate so it makes the fights go a lot quicker.

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I'm interested to hear about your Gieremund strategy, by the way. Same as the others, basically? How did you deal with the paralyze?


Gieremund was a tough nut to crack for me. I died a few times before being able to consistantly kill it. He's definately doable but the fight itself is kind of tricky.

Gieremund Notes:
  • Double Attacks frequently but his ACC isn't too high (for a THF anyway) so evading his melee hits should be managable.
  • Shadow Claw: Single target damage + blindness. Eats one shadow, not really a threat.
  • Howling: Aoe Paralyze
  • Dirty Claw: Single target damage. IGNORES shadows.
  • I haven't really seen him use any other hound moves than these, but wiki quotes him as having all hound moves so take that for what you will


Thief Solo Notes:
  • Para Arrows and Marinara Pizza +1 (for undead killer) cut down his attacks nicely. Blind bolts and acid bolts also work. Obviously bloody bolts do not.
  • I can't stress enough how much easier completing 2 evasion Kila +1 made my soloing life. I would suggesst this to any THF or DNC that hasn't finished them. They are a god send for soloing and tanking.
  • Again, since bloddy bolts dont work, all the HP/status removal meds you can buy with cruor. I like to bring a couple of regen drinks and maybe an AH HP med or two to be extra safe. Most things are cheap now.
  • Dealing with paralyze: There's two ways I've used to get around this. The easiest and safest is to just buy a stack of remedies for 35k (on my server). The cheapest/less safe way is to switch to a max evasion set, spam cast your shdaws constantly and wait it out while he whiffs at you. I've done both successfully but I reccomend the remedies if you have the gil.
  • Dealing with Dirty Claw: This was the trickiest part for me. Shadows will not protect you from Dirty claw but it can miss you outright. Having said that, fulltiming in a max evasion set is just going to drag the fight out and letting him live too long is dangerous. What I've had to do is really get a feel for how long it takes me to feed him enough tp to use it. So I'll Idle in my TP set, but right before I know hes going to use one (or I'll try to force it with a WS), I'll make sure he's blinded and put on my max evasion set. He'll usually miss and then I switch back to my optimum DD TP set right after. Using this tactic I have been able to make him miss dirty claw the majority of the time. You WILL inevitably get hit with it, which is why its a good idea to have all cruor HP meds and some regen drinks.


It is not a terribly hard fight, but it can be a bit tricky. It's much, much easier with solid atmas.
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#8 Nov 12 2010 at 4:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sacrophilus: Bersail Cap. (Sorry Banalaty, sold to you before price droped XD)

Hah i didnt even know you were on my server.

You may have sold me some overpriced junk, but now i know who you are! Mhaura-hahahaha!

I have nothing of value to add. I havent attempted any solos beside T1 VNMs in abyssea (***** grahs turning into spiders and 1 shotting me through shadows with sickle slash!) and am currently leveling a 74 rdm mule to help me 2xBox stuff so I probably will never "solo" anything again :P
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#9 Nov 12 2010 at 5:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thanks for the tips on sarcophilus. Didn't know it was that easy and just went 1/2 on cap (dnc solo tho lol, maybe I'll farm a few on thf since they're going for quite a bit on my server =P)

Now if I can just get that **** dog to drop thf head seals >.>
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#10 Nov 13 2010 at 12:16 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks for the tips on sarcophilus. Didn't know it was that easy and just went 1/2 on cap (dnc solo tho lol, maybe I'll farm a few on thf since they're going for quite a bit on my server =P)


Glad I could help. Grats on the cap. I figured its a great THF piece for TA and for RACC. Its been out for a while and I don't see many ppl with them.

It goes against my Thiefly instincts (seeing as how the price will almost certianly drop further now and kill my profits lol XD). But its a solid, easy piece to get that pretty much any THF can solo. I didn't want to keep it to myself forever XD.

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Now if I can just get that **** dog to drop thf head seals >.>


Speaking of, it is a long shot, but I have been able to proc grellow with Ni spells on him a few times. I don't know if I'll always do that because I dont think my inventory can take it lol. But when I was soloing him for my seals I was trying everything I could lol.

Edited, Nov 13th 2010 1:27pm by ThiefKiller
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#11 Nov 14 2010 at 9:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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ThiefKiller wrote:
Gieremund was a tough nut to crack for me. I died a few times before being able to consistantly kill it. He's definately doable but the fight itself is kind of tricky.

Gieremund Notes:
  • Double Attacks frequently but his ACC isn't too high (for a THF anyway) so evading his melee hits should be managable.
  • Shadow Claw: Single target damage + blindness. Eats one shadow, not really a threat.
  • Howling: Aoe Paralyze
  • Dirty Claw: Single target damage. IGNORES shadows.
  • I haven't really seen him use any other hound moves than these, but wiki quotes him as having all hound moves so take that for what you will


Thief Solo Notes:
  • Para Arrows and Marinara Pizza +1 (for undead killer) cut down his attacks nicely. Blind bolts and acid bolts also work. Obviously bloody bolts do not.
  • I can't stress enough how much easier completing 2 evasion Kila +1 made my soloing life. I would suggesst this to any THF or DNC that hasn't finished them. They are a god send for soloing and tanking.
  • Again, since bloddy bolts dont work, all the HP/status removal meds you can buy with cruor. I like to bring a couple of regen drinks and maybe an AH HP med or two to be extra safe. Most things are cheap now.
  • Dealing with paralyze: There's two ways I've used to get around this. The easiest and safest is to just buy a stack of remedies for 35k (on my server). The cheapest/less safe way is to switch to a max evasion set, spam cast your shdaws constantly and wait it out while he whiffs at you. I've done both successfully but I reccomend the remedies if you have the gil.
  • Dealing with Dirty Claw: This was the trickiest part for me. Shadows will not protect you from Dirty claw but it can miss you outright. Having said that, fulltiming in a max evasion set is just going to drag the fight out and letting him live too long is dangerous. What I've had to do is really get a feel for how long it takes me to feed him enough tp to use it. So I'll Idle in my TP set, but right before I know hes going to use one (or I'll try to force it with a WS), I'll make sure he's blinded and put on my max evasion set. He'll usually miss and then I switch back to my optimum DD TP set right after. Using this tactic I have been able to make him miss dirty claw the majority of the time. You WILL inevitably get hit with it, which is why its a good idea to have all cruor HP meds and some regen drinks.


It is not a terribly hard fight, but it can be a bit tricky. It's much, much easier with solid atmas.


I love you for this! Smiley: inlove I'm not confident enough with my THF soloing (no eva Kila +1s) but I'm gonna give it a try on PUP. How was the droprate on seals?
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#12 Nov 15 2010 at 12:35 AM Rating: Good
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I love you for this! Smiley: inlove I'm not confident enough with my THF soloing (no eva Kila +1s) but I'm gonna give it a try on PUP. How was the droprate on seals?


Nice. GL on your PUP solo.

Seal drop rate wasn't terrible but they certainly don't rain from the sky. Results may vary. Most of the time when I killed him I was TH4 using the TH atma as well.

I was also able to proc grellow twice with Ni spells. If you have the gil/inventory space, wouldn't hurt to bring the tools.

Edited, Nov 15th 2010 1:36am by ThiefKiller

Edited, Nov 15th 2010 1:37am by ThiefKiller
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Adding Funereal Apkallu to the list. Just soloed him using RR/GH took 10 minutes give or take. No key item tho ><. Will try to add some notes later.

Edited, Nov 15th 2010 2:53am by ThiefKiller
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Also confirming Asanbosam. Soloed him today to complete an Amhuluk pop set. Nice that THF can solo his pop set if desired.

Edited, Nov 15th 2010 2:05pm by ThiefKiller
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#15 Nov 16 2010 at 4:49 AM Rating: Decent
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It's look that you probably need good (or even greater) Atma to accomplish those challenge.
Quite sad when you start with the idea to hunt those beloved atma... Like a dog that try to bite his tail :S

Well if it's soloable this way, means than can be duoable with right support, this is still a good news ;)
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#16 Nov 28 2010 at 10:50 AM Rating: Good
Most soloing i did so far was in la theine trying to get t3 avnm pop.
Have soloed piasa, mangy-tailed marvin, keesha poppo and offcourse brooder ( t2 avnm) with no problems. Im 1/3 on irrlicht but mostly cause i wasnt prepared for him on the first 2 trys.

Tried to kill megantereon once but failed.

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Any word on whether you can still avoid Amhuluk's AoE by tanking it from the cliff, after the last patch?
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Hripthe wrote:
Any word on whether you can still avoid Amhuluk's AoE by tanking it from the cliff, after the last patch?


Can't.
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#19 Dec 17 2010 at 2:32 AM Rating: Good
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Would also be good to know a list of things that can be duo'ed. I'm probably spoiled in that for low-man I'm usually using 2 characters.
I haven't tried many recent mobs but Manohra was a very easy duo. Did Flame Skimmer and it wasn't so bad, but losing any hate can cause a Rdm/Whm to get owned very quickly. Ignorantly I tried Warbler and I've never died so quickly and convincingly.
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For the first time in my FFXI THF career, I have been putting time and gil into MDT and PDT sets lately. With the addition of Magian daggers as well, I find myself wanting to put together these tanking/solo/lowman sets and combine them with some of the more defensive atmas/food and see how far a THF can REALLY push it other than just evade evade evade, osh*t stun didn't go off...Die.

Magic Damage reduction set:

Weapons:
Dagger 1: Kila +2 9 MND MDB +10
Dagger 2: Kila +2 9 MND MDB +10
Ranged: Lamian Kaman +1 MDB +2

Armor
Head: Merman's Cap: - 2% MDT
Body: Avalon Breastplate: -5% MDT
Back: Lamia Mantle +1 MDB +4
Neck: ???/Evasion or HP something
Hands: Merman's Mittens/Denali Wristbands -2% MDT/DT
Waits: Resolute Belt MDB +2
Ear 1: Merman's Earring -2% MDT
Ear 2: Merman's Earring -2% MDT
Ring 1: Merman's Ring: -4% MDT
Ring 2: Merman's Ring: -4% MDT
Legs: Merman's Subligar: -3% MDT
Feet: Merman's Leggings" -2% MDT

For a grand total of MDB +28 and -26% MDT.

My very basic understanding of MDB is that 1 MDB is slighty less than -1% Magic damage reduction. SO with this set, we could potentially reach the 50% cap (I think it's 50%?) solo, or mix and match as support allows.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong or if there are better pieces to use in a given slot.

Physical Damage Reduction Set:

Weapons:
Dagger 1: Kila +2 Vit +9 -10% PDT
Dagger 2: Kila +2 Vit +9 -10% PDT
Ranged: Ungurang/Xbow/Raider's Boomerang/

Armor:
Head: Darksteel Cap +1: -2% PDT
Body: Darkstee Harness +1: -4% PDT
Back: Evasion/HP/DD/Enmity piece
Hands: Darksteel Mittens +1 - 2% PDT
Waist: Evasion/HP/DD/Enmity piece
Ear 1: Evasion/HP/DD/Enmity Piece
Ear 2: Evasion/HP/DD/Enmity Piece
Ring 1: Jelly ring -5% PDT
Ring 2: Defending ring/Succor Ring/ Patronus Ring -10% DT/ -3% DT/ -2% PDT
Legs: Darksteel Subligar +1 -3% PDT
Feet: Darksteel Leggings +1 -2% PDT

For a grand total of anywhere from -40% to -48% physical damage reduction. Again, someone please correct me if there are better pieces to use in a given slot.

I find myself asking questions lately like "Could I take some of these gearsets, eat seme defensive food like rabbit pie, sub something like /DNC, use a combination of defensive and DD atmas and solo/lowman some things that would have been prohibitive for the traditional THF/NIN evade fest solo or duo before?"

Have any of you ever used these? Very curious.

Edited, Dec 17th 2010 4:37am by ThiefKiller
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I've got very good PDT/MDT sets on my alt char Rdm, but not on my Thief. I'm so hurt for space. I mean we do have the mogsack now and more npc storage, which is a godsend, so it deserves more attention than ever.

I suppose the biggest thing keeping me back from it is laziness. If I'm duoing something, I don't really need to hold my solo sa/ta gear over other options, in my invent. With MDT/PDT, subtle blow, and new fast cast gear, it wouldn't be surprising to see like 50 pieces of gear in your "defensive/tanking inventory" than in your "standard," offensive one.

Maybe the biggest thing perking my interest into your thoughts are that I've encountered a lot of NM's lately that have silence auras. And there are a very few that tend to wipe shadows often. I've noticed that against a lot of these, you can survive quite well without shadows just due to the freaking ridiculous evade rate.

It may be hard to judge sometimes between wearing DD gear and -PDT. But if your mage has Minkin, etc, their MP pools seem simply endless. So DPS might not be such a concern; don't really need to zerg it down if you can attrition the NM.
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As I also duo with a dual boxed rdm (gimp though he may be :P) ill list what ive done lately.

Abas
Adze
Alectryon
Minhocao
Muscaliet
Gieremund
Asanbosam
Manohra
Armillaria
Iktomi
Ika-Roa(drops thf hand+1 seals)

Most T2 VNMs (trying T3s soon-ish)

Nothing particularly hard. Just building pop sets for Amhuluk, Glavoids, +1 seals, and T3 VNMs. I will probably give ketea a shot soon, but with the AOE on the cliff 'fix' for amhuluk, im not gonna risk a pop trying to show off :P I want yellow 100% on those anyway for my last 5 leg+2s.

Primarily I just solo/duo pop sets and put together groups to kill the big guy at the end and so far thats working well.

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Here's a suggesgion for a goal to add to your set thiefkiller

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Neck: ???/Evasion or HP something


Neck: Twilight Torque Damage taken -5% all jobs.

Yeah I know I know.... you don't have to tell me. It's a drop from Shinryu in Abyssea-Empreal Paradox. But sooner or later people are going to be getting access to this fight in more respectable numbers and when that happens we can try and add some of the twilight gear to our sets. Plus you can use a primordial brew in there so once you proc red you can cheap out and play god mode if you have cruor. Shinryu has a very interesting atma

Atma of the Apocalypse -- Superior Triple Attack (15%), Quick Magic (Instantaneous spellcasting) and Auto Reraise (permanent reraise III effect, and it reapplies itself instantly the moment you revive)

That atma isn't ideal for pure DD (I'd take Alpha/Omega for pure DD first. 50 attack >>> 5% TA rate) however instant utsusemi casting is awesome, and permanent reraise 3 is also awesome. It does not affect recast delays like chainspell but it's one **** of a tanking/mage atma. I would probably fulltime the apocalypse anyway just for permanent reraise 3 so it's a pretty nice goal to set. I know it'll take a while for (a majority of) people to get access to the fight, but it's something to shoot for.

Edited, Dec 17th 2010 10:28am by Melphina
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I've duo boxed Wherwetrice fairly easy (thf,rdm) for my alts head seals. And the other day trio'd Chickcharney with a friend (rdm,rdm,thf) for rdm and thf hand seals.

Altepa version is basically the same thing as the Attohwa one just more hp, hits harder, and can use Contagian Transfer (steals buffs). So I'm fairly certain it could just as easily be duo'd with no issues as I was never in any real danger. Just keep it blinded and paralyzed as para totally destroys these two.

Evasion daggers not done but here is the gear from my evasion set. A lot of the time i just switched to full haste and still had no issues evading with 369 skill as long as blind was on.

kila(6agi/16evas) / dakini(4agi/12evas) / ungur
optical / evasion torque / musical earring / brutal
aurore / denali / iota / rajas
boxer's / scouter's / crow / aurore

9 rdm 7 thf 9 sam 8 pld and 3 earrings in like 9-11ish kills or so on Chickcharney.

Also easily tanked Ouzelum the roc that drops blm ear, a nin katana, and the key item to spawn the Altepa zone boss roc. I've heard Bennu isn't that hard so might try to low man him soon.
#25 Dec 22 2010 at 5:46 PM Rating: Good
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Ovni solo

Bullwhip belt is mine. I did that just before a small group of my friends and I ran out to abyssea-Altep today to brew down Rani into oblivion. Afterward we did the same to Raja in Abyss-Grauberg. The 2 most difficult Catuare's are done as well as 7/9 bosses. This has been a good day.

Edited, Dec 22nd 2010 10:42pm by Melphina
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#26 Dec 22 2010 at 6:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Grats Mel, thats pretty awesome. Mind telling us a bit more about the fight? Strat? Things to watch out for etc?
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