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#1 Oct 05 2010 at 9:00 AM Rating: Good
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So this dropped in an abyssea run I was in yesterday, and I ended up getting it. Now the question is, how does it work and from there, how best to use it (if at all).

I havent seen much of any info posted about any of these magnus weapons. Do they proc on WS? Whats the proc rate? Does it work as offhand etc. And the FUN one for me: Does it only double your weapon base damage (like just final damagex2, or just becomes D29>D58 and if the latter, what does it do to weapon rank etc), or does it double the action (ie SATA with magnus can i literally do 2x my full sata damage, or just the weapon damage part of the damage).

I havent had a chance to get any stones and test this baby yet, so any info already out there will be grand until I can actually do some checks myself. No need to reinvent the wheel if these weapons have already had some testing done.

I AM liking the swift 176 delay as the slowness of most of my dagger options is bothering me. (currently using 1dex/1str kila+1 and replacing one with Agi kila+1 when tanking, working on OAT 211 delay.....eeeeewwww!)

So if nothing else, this sounds like it could be a fun offhand to mess with, but if it procs on SATA and/or WS then it has potential for a mainhand (damage will be WIDE spreads, but avg damage would be good and epeen shots galore :P)

Anyone know anything about these weapons at all?

*Edit: haha i JUST realized it has acc+7 on it. Definately looking at minimum as a contender for offhand pending tests/info for SATA/WS etc.

Edited, Oct 5th 2010 11:01am by Banalaty
Edit2: Went through all the magnus weapons/items on wiki. Only additional info was on the sword page:
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* This item is enhanced by the use of appropriate Charged Ammunition.
* When a Magnus Stone is equipped in the Ammo slot, the additional effect has a chance to go off. Verification Needed
* One Magnus Stone has a chance to be consumed when a double damage swing is made. Verification Needed
* The Magnus Sword must be equipped in the "main" slot in order to activate the double damage effect.

/sad Panda. I HOPE if you are forced to mainhand it, then it can proc on WS and other damage abilities (SATA, Jumps for drg etc) or this will quickly become a POS -_-

Edited, Oct 5th 2010 11:08am by Banalaty
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#2 Oct 05 2010 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
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According to ffxiah about the lance, it doesn't proc on ja/ws. If it's true, it's safe to assume the same applies for dagger and all other magnus weapon types. Though I'd still like sata to be tested, it may be a ja but trigger on a melee hit that may be different from jumps. Having to mainhand it, if true, hurts it and to use it effectively means we have to give up either our ziska's where it's useful or the raider's boomerang, also hurting it. The blau is laughing at it in its grave.

Edited, Oct 5th 2010 11:59am by Jevilwolf
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#3 Oct 05 2010 at 11:08 AM Rating: Decent
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banalaty wrote:
this will quickly become a POS -_-

My money is on this. And even if it does turn out to be good damage, keeping up with enough magnus stones will be annoying. My abyssea time is always low and I can't afford spending it on Bastion. Even if it is just 5min per day.

My personal top 5 mainhand daggers at level 85:
1. Twashstar
2. Mandau/Vajra
3. Daka+1
4. Thunder kila +1/Clement Skean
5. Everything else
#4 Oct 05 2010 at 11:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah I'm with Breaze.

But where is Auric in that? Offhand? Over Rapidus Sax?
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#5 Oct 05 2010 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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I guess Auric would come in 5th place as a main hand dagger for me.

I just made a post about off-hand Auric versus off-hand Rapidus Sax in an other topic. Rapidus Sax feels much faster for tp. I have not done any parsing between the two though. The fast tp gain plus the accuracy and the haste seems like the obvious choice for an off-hand to me.
#6 Oct 05 2010 at 5:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Banalaty, I have read somewhere before that the weapon is extremely good when you have the Atma of the Razed Ruin due to it giving you very large bonus to critical hits and dmg. It really improves your dot significantly.

The rate at which is proc is the same rate as the jailer weapons.

Apparently, it will do really well if you have large sums of haste, very low delay and the atma above with another very powerful atma.

Now, not tests were done to compare how it fairs against the better weapons if you happen to have the same buff. Due to it having low base dmg it might be just a toy to have fun with.

I do hope someone is able to come up with a more conclusive use for it.

Hope it helped.
#7 Oct 05 2010 at 5:58 PM Rating: Good
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Well its as we feared. POS dagger. Doesnt work on WS. Only weapon damage doubled on solo SA. Doesnt work offhand (stone was never used and never saw any wierd damage offhand or WS).

Mainhand works for melee hits onry. It looks to just double damage.

melee no stone 62-95. With stone 158-190.
Crits no stone 117-126. Crit with stone (that proced) 253-262 (only 2 crits+stone proc. tiny sample.)
SA no stone 657-672, With stone proc 743-803

TINY TINY sample size, but total hits (SA included) 13/25 for a 52% proc rate. To small to get it exactly but the word that it procs "about as much as jailer weapons" is valid.

A dagger with ONLY good with ****** WS that cant be used offhand AND takes up ammo slot=fail as ****.

Bout ready to just toss mine. This could only work for jobs that have elemental based WS separate from weapon damage(atonement etc), and MAYBE mnks with footwork up if it procs during footwork similarly to how the OA2-3 weapon boosts footwork as it ignores weapon base damage for everything. I cant imagine a single use for this unless they are needed for some type of NM wierd thing (like when people theorized the key to AV had to do with jailer weapons/torques and crap).

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#8 Oct 09 2010 at 12:46 PM Rating: Good
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Wouldn't really label it as junk, seems more of a novelty item.

However, if the procrate is 50% then that means it's a 50% boost to DPS, which would make it a respectable weapon. The problem of course is the low base DMG which, but if the double damage is applied after fSTR and pDIF (read: true damage doubling) then it would in theory pull slightly ahead of the current top-of-the-line daggers (excluding of course Relic, Mythic and Empyrean) when it comes to damage over time.

All in all it's not a bad dagger, neither should it be chosen over daggers like Daka+1 or other high DMG options, but seems like a decent intermediary dagger while working on better options. I guess we could call it the new Heart Snatcher.
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i dont have the dagger, but i'm pretty sure it increaes the damage of your critical hits


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#9 Oct 10 2010 at 10:04 AM Rating: Good
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anarkrist wrote:
All in all it's not a bad dagger, neither should it be chosen over daggers like Daka+1 or other high DMG options, but seems like a decent intermediary dagger while working on better options. I guess we could call it the new Heart Snatcher.
I'd call it the new Stylet.
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...draining with sambas is kind of like you smack the thing and as you smack blood flies out... normally the blood would just you know fall and be red an what-not, but, with the samba your all whacked out and decide to drink the blood as it flys out. thus not adding MORE damage just taking more advantage of your damage. at least thats my take on it.
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