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#1 Sep 28 2010 at 9:32 AM Rating: Good
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Aeolian Edge

Atma of Gales: WindAttack+: Major(+40), WindAccuracy+: Major
Atma of the Baying Moon: Attack+: Major (30), "Magic Atk. Bonus": Major (30)
Atma of the Beyond : "Magic Atk. Bonus": Major(+30), IceAttack+:Major(+30), LightAttack+: Major(+30)

I have seen lots of people commenting on fell cleave burns etc and I have been thinking: With the right combination of atmas and an honest to goodness Aeolian Edge WS set (and perhaps a WS Damage Fusetto/MAB dagger), could it be competetive for THF or DNC to participate in these as well (on things that aren't wind resistant)?

Personally, I have never put a set together for it. I just used one of my regular WS sets and a breeze gorget the few times that I have. Wiki quotes AE as being modded by INT and heavily by MAB (Is this current with the last update quoting that the attributes have changed?). I do have lots of MAB and INT stuff from my BLM that THF can wear.

I have a few friends that have the elemental potency atmas etc and they are quoting them as being ridiculously strong.

Do you think that AE WS set + 70 MAB from atmas + possible +24 from /mage + 10% WS damage + high base damage 9MAB/8INT Kila +1 would put out respectable numbers? Even in the abscence of a couple of these things it sounds tempting.

Has anyone tried this yet?

Thoughts?

Edited, Sep 28th 2010 11:57am by ThiefKiller
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#2 Sep 28 2010 at 10:27 AM Rating: Good
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My problem is that the max damage I have gotten out of Aeolian edge without atmas is about 750 dmg. Those atmas would do a lot to making it higher, but war also has the advantage of massive TP gain from weapon vs. our 10 tp/rd, being able to take advantage of seigan for survivability while they try to get their 2-3 fell cleaves off, and a much larger base damage weaponskill in fell cleave.

Interesting idea, just seems a lot harder to pull off than a fell cleave burn.

Edit: Didn't see that you said mage, but fell cleaves live and die by how many they can get off consecutively, so /mage is generally out as a /sub because you want /sam for meditate + sekkanoki to get more WS off. /mage would give more survivability though with stoneskin more or less = seigan for war, and phalanx being good too. Hard to say.

Edited, Sep 28th 2010 11:31am by Meldi
#3 Sep 28 2010 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Aeolian Edge burn will never be as good as Fell Cleave burn.

Fell Cleave has a STR50% mod and wars already have good gear for that in every slot.
Thf will have trouble getting good INT & MAB gear in each slot.

But most importantly the two, and later three atma's, you are equipping for Aeolian Edge burn are terrible for tp gain. Whereas war gets great atma's for tp and ws:
Atma of the Voracious Violet: Increases Strength by 50, Double Attack rate by 5%, and adds a 2 TP/tick Regain effect.
Atma of the Stout Arm: Increases Strength by 40 and Attack by 50.

So the two don't even come close.

Aeolian Edge works if you want to farm AF3 feet/key items with 3-4 people since you will get amber light from it. But I can't see myself using this for exp situations.
#4 Sep 28 2010 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
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Breaze wrote:
Aeolian Edge burn will never be as good as Fell Cleave burn.


I'm inclined to agree. But I'm not talking in place of, rather participation in.

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Fell Cleave has a STR50% mod and wars already have good gear for that in every slot.
Thf will have trouble getting good INT & MAB gear in each slot.

But most importantly the two, and later three atma's, you are equipping for Aeolian Edge burn are terrible for tp gain. Whereas war gets great atma's for tp and ws:
Atma of the Voracious Violet: Increases Strength by 50, Double Attack rate by 5%, and adds a 2 TP/tick Regain effect.
Atma of the Stout Arm: Increases Strength by 40 and Attack by 50.

So the two don't even come close.


I agree and I'm sure that a Fell Cleave WAR would put out more damage. However I am also thinking that MAB and Attack don not work the same way. I am inclined to think that the MAB atmas will do more for AE than the others will do for Fell Cleave.

There are bound to be more atmas coming as well. I didn't fully research the current ones but Lugaroo's also gives physcial attack etc.

In terms of TP gain, I wonder if a properly hasted/buff/food/gear THF/SAM could at least make a viable contribution if one could (thoeritcally) get their AE damage up high enough. Or even take advantage of mobs that take increased magic damage like Licorice.

Edited, Sep 28th 2010 1:51pm by ThiefKiller
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#5 Sep 28 2010 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
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The "tp part" of the Lugaroo atma only gives 30 attack. Which is lowish when you compare it to other two atma I mentioned.
And exping on Licorice just to make AE work seems silly to me. Licorice have annoying AoE.

But feel free to try this. A short test of 15-30min should be enough to give an idea if this would work. Or even just one AE test with full buffs, MAB atma and drinks. I would be interested to seeing your results.
#6 Sep 28 2010 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
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I think that wiki quote isn't worth anything. It isn't heavily modded by MAB, it works exactly the same as MAB on any ws. I am sure it has a dex mod (ws in sa gear gives better damage) and idk if it has anymore int mod than cyclone.

MAB+dex is likely the best way to gear it.

Personally I want to do so e bastok runs with aoe ws only and little to no sleeping.
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#7 Oct 01 2010 at 12:16 AM Rating: Good
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I haven't played in a couple months but wow, AOE WS burns? Anyone mind tellin me how that actually works out in practice?
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#8 Oct 01 2010 at 2:24 AM Rating: Good
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fell cleave + mighty strikes + atmas = 2k+ damage to anything in range. that leads to 2hr restore chests, etc etc.
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#9 Oct 01 2010 at 11:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Pull more than 1 mob, sleep them or just have random folk engage whatever with autotarget and spam aoes. Its rather simple, and i think SE expected us to use this method for killing many things long ago, tho the only thing i ever used aoe ws for in the past was the 50 cap skele fight for rank 5(?), which kicked its ***.

I keep trying to get my ls to do a bastok run with aoes only. ***** sleeps.
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