DW Tier at 83?Follow

Edit: Yeah Its DW I

Edited, Sep 15th 2010 11:37am by ThiefKiller

MY first thought was BS, but I guess the hope stupid is still alive in me somewhere.

Remaining skeptical yet not giving up (small) hope too...time will tell.

i did this more then once with no stp

daggers 201 aruic
211 atheme

took 22 hits to get enough to ws.





Edited, Sep 9th 2010 8:53pm by Thfwarrior

ok then ill do that but im sure its less then 5 per hit but im in a abyssea pt atm.

Can do it in Abyssea as well. Just reset TP (take off weapon and put it back on), then count out 10 hits and record your TP. As long as you didn't get hit in the meantime, it should be exact. Obviously keep all Store TP gear off for the duration.

ok i tested in south gusta and i did it with kila's /war lvl 85 when i had 1 dagger i got 5 tp per when i had 2 kila i hit for 4

I can picture them looking at system logs and scratching their heads wondering why thieves are still subbing ninja now that they have native DW1.

I can confirm it's dual wield 1. If a level 83 thf/war with kila/kila using no sTP gear had dual wield I they would get 4.9 tp per hit, and if they had dual wield II they would get 4.8 tp per hit. I ran out to saru as level 84 thief/war with just 2 kila's and no other gear and hit ten mobs once (insta KO). I never got hit and I was left with 49 tp, therefore there is no question about it. It's dual wield one, as we knew it would be.

Now for some more thoughts. I leveled to 84 in an abyssea-misereaux exp alliance last night at the Coastal Colibri camp and I did it using thief/war. As I was expecting, with an abyssean exp alliance thief/war was relatively safe. I only died once and that was when I was getting sloppy after a few hours before I logged for bed (tired). Abyssean exp alliances get temp item restores and have so many melees/mages that you have more restoring power than you can shake ten sticks at, so if I'm playing abyssea exp ally I may try thief/war for a bit. I don't think I'd feel confident using /war outside abyssea though because I was only safe in my exp ally because we had army of healers nearby. I took a lot of cure bombing and that wouldn't have been possible without the influx of temp items and restore boxes. Thief/war seems to work pretty decent inside abyssea, but everywhere else I think I'd stick with /nin. At least for now.

Edited, Sep 10th 2010 12:46pm by Melphina

I haven't seen it bluntly stated, but we still get /Nin DW 2 at 83 right?

Yes. As I'd proven in one of the myriad whine threads, a main trait weaker than what a sub offers does not overtake the sub. Defense Bonus comparisons show WAR/SAM (Def 1) against WAR/PLD (Def 2 from /PLD). If you wanna stay skeptical, then I'm sure Mel could confirm. Been out of town since Wednesday night so haven't been able to work on the limit quest or even level. But I'm sure SE would make an exception here just to @#%^ with THF more, right?

So I just had my first full abyssea alliance as THF/WAR (low 84 to 85 + capped merits.)

It was definately...different for me. I have never been a big /war fan. Your mages will need to cure you. WHM/SCH was able to keep me with stoneskin up a lot of the time though. I heard "WTF are you doing THF/WAR" No no, dear alliance, I will not be pulling for you today mwah ha ha!" But I found that after they saw my first SADE (just SADE...well with multi procs from god I assume) that topped 3200 damage (on vultures in Miseraux Coast...yes they were IT ones), they were not complaining at all about having to support me.

And I find that as we get buffed, so do our support. With good mages and DD's its a lot more than viable than I thought it would be for me. You will definately NEED some kind of Osh*t set for max evasion or -PD% or something.

But I really have to say...I didn't hate it at all. It's damage was superior to /nin, no question. If you are going into a party where you aren't sure there will be top notch DD's to take hate back from you, I'd still /nin becuase death awaits you.

But holy sh*t man. Constant temp items + stat boosts + zerk + etc.....is pretty crazy. My attack was mid 800's most of the time without any BRD or COR buffs and I was outparsing all the DD's that were getting them.

I would say, that if SE gave us something in the way of a native ability to defend ourselves (like third eye or seigan or something)....THF/WAR would be OP.


Edited, Sep 11th 2010 12:53am by ThiefKiller

I preferred you have a screen shot to support this...Before you are trying to convince people to go THF/WAR.

It is not hard to do a 3200 SADE on a piercing weak mob. lvl84, Cruor buffs, cruor bonus from Abysite, double atma buff, drink buff, food, zerk, double/triple attack proc, mob could have dia 2/3 on it, ect ect. So you don't actually need a brd or cor to pull that off.

But yea you should really add what level cruor buffs/atma you were using. And what was you average TAws SAws damage?

@lordtrey: I think he means the Frigate Birds in Abyssea - Misareaux.

Edited, Sep 11th 2010 9:50am by Breaze

no double atma buff? sad panda

Off topic but the Atma Fabricant will synethise you some decent atma if you've done some missions. Sandy rank 10 is minor STR and regain I believe. Lots of good ones, even a TH: Minor one in "Atma of Dread"

About those NM. I suggest you try for kukulkan (peiste) to get lunar abysite. He is sort of easy. And lots of people need him for furherance abysite (+10 to all stats), lunar abysite, atma. So finding help to kill him should not be hard.

100k cruor is just a matter of time.



Edited, Sep 12th 2010 9:54am by Breaze

Probably the best answer, Briareus is IMO the hardest one, and Kulkulan the easiest. Good luck with your hunting.


PS: Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu stupid raider legs seals. I work for 8 hours on it, and get 3, friend of mine goes 8/8 in under 3 hours.

Quest. Cookbook of Hope Restoring, it drops either nothing but cruor (Often), SAM (Often), THF (Rare), BST (Rare) or WHM (Extremely rare), the rare, common, etc listings are just general impressions from my LS. My wife got 8/8 WHM legs pretty quick but for the most part, we all get @#%^tons of SAM, followed by either BST or THF and WHM as the rarest.

The friend dide the RDM quest involving Galka Sausage, went 8/8 in under 3 hours, with DRK being his second most common seal.

I have to wonder if it's dumb luck, or if there's some sort of modifier that increases/decreases likelihood of certain seals, but for that quest, my LS has gotten WHM the most, then SAM, then BST, then THF. On the other hand, I personally have gotten WHM the most, then THF and BST equal, and no SAM. Granted, the most often result is nothing but cruor. It's always painful to see people in your LS complain "Oh no!!! Another THF!! I wanted BST!" and you're like "Come on....THF! Aww man, I got BST again..."

THB, it never occurred to me. I can't remember the last time I SS anything.

But abyssea definately presents some different rules. /War gets off hand hit now. Red Curry Buns + Stalwart Tonic + Zer/Cry all stack and in fast paced parties can be on you a lot of the time. I'm assuming perfect multi procs becuase it only happened twice the entire time I was there.

Was that Mercy with a non trial mandau? Becuase this was with fully upgraded Kila with 41 base damage and heapings of other stats.

Scratch that, I think I finished my Kila after that party

Also, this was in Attawah Chasm. The new areas get a much larger natural stat bonus than the first three areas do due to the martellos or some such. I was at least +30 or 35 for everything.

At the time, I didnt have any atmas either, so the potential for DD's to be crazy pimp in abyssea is quite substantial.

Edited, Sep 15th 2010 11:25am by ThiefKiller

Yeah, that sucks. I think it might be a better idea just to join/form groups to power farm the NMs there for seals. I have a couple head seals from doing this.

Edit: Although, I'm feeling like this might be something I should farm and sell XD.

Edited, Sep 15th 2010 11:33am by ThiefKiller

BLM = easy solo. BLM + TH atma yesterday got a couple in 30 minutes. I soloed one on THF/NIN and barely lived through an IT one. THF/DNC would have probably been better.

But I was able to kill the IT ones on BLM with ease. I was able to aspir/silence/para/grav/bind/sleep them pretty easily.

Edit: I still wouldn't farm these if I was trying to get head seals. I think its a much better use of time ot get together groups to farm the NM's that drop the seals.

Edited, Sep 16th 2010 9:19am by ThiefKiller