Weaponskills in AbysseaFollow

Pretty sure this has nothing to do with Abyssea as an area. What monsters were you fighting and what did they con? I am guessing you were fighting IT+ monsters which explains why shark bite and mandalic stab did well and DE and EV were falling behind. And a stat boost of 10+ to all stats favours shark bite and mandalic stab more then it does DE and EV.

I think once abyssea mobs are fully leveled up, thier def gets pretty high. I have noticed on thf that even with 450ish attack with pizzas, my melee damage per hit starts to dive off once i hit 400-500 exp per mob tier.

Could all be in my head, as i have not done parse states to compare avg melee damage per hit yet.
Guess i need to do some parses in tiers of 100xp. and compare avg melee damage per hit, ws damage (I will just use all 4 in rotation), and acc. See if anything changes at certian exp points, or if once the mobs check IT, if there is no change in def or evasion of the mobs.

However, for pickup runs, i kinda doubt it matters. Even with over 1/2 the alliance being noobs, a couple of good dd and mages combined with a great puller make it dam hard to not get crazy exp. Once you hit that 600 exp tier and are rotating out noobs the exp bars fill up so fast it begins to seem like 3-5 poeple are always out spending merits/or changing jobs. At this point, who really cares about max damages anymore. Fatigue prolly causes more damage loss at that point than mob stats.

No idea where my rambling is going. Time to find out some info.

You are forgeting attack on your WS gear.

450 attack is very low attack on ABysea exp mobs

With this gear set up. Iam getting Solo Dancing edge 600 - 900 range.

Flame Dakini 16 attack 6 str
Thunder Dakini 12 accuracy 6 DEX
Bomblet 6 attack 6 accuracy
Head optical hat
Love torque 5 DEX 7 Dagger skill
Merman
Brutal earring
Hecatomb harness
Hecatomb mittens
Kusha ring 12 accuracy 6 attack set
Lava ring 12 accuracy 6 attack set
Forager mantle 3 str 15 attack
Potent belt 8 accuracy 3 str
Expansion legs 7 attack 7 accuracy 2 Dex
Feet Hecatomb leggings

My dagger skill at lv 80 is 317 full merits my base dex is 74

I have 422 accuracy and 450 attack.

There not a reason for you not are eating red curry bun. They are 100k in AH right now. The mandragoras cant steal you the food. Red curry bun give 130 - 150 attack.

My pdif is abysmal comparing red curry vs pizza.

In abysea is very hard stack WS. Because you have 15 people moving the mob and bLMS nuking it.

I think in abysea is a good option solo ws often than try stack.

I was using my thief in abysea, like a pro and ended after 4 hours. With my hands destroyed and with lots of head pain.

I really love thief but i feel abysea like dynamis, the mob dye too quickly for separate JA, Stack WS every fight. Thief is the only job i did not enjoyed use that in abysea. I lose in the parse for a big margin and until i tried play that in a way more easy, is when i started having fun and beat decent dds.

I Feel happy with solo DE in 600 - 900 range and stacked 1200 - 1500 range. When feint is on i add even more attack and more dex, and take some accuracy items off.

There abysea temporal item, You can get that often, that item give you accuracy and 100 attack, when i used that item my attack is over 700 and my Dancing edge numbers are even better.

For end this with your actual DE Gear. I think with red curry bun and bard or Red curry + stward potion. You can get crazy numbers even higher than MS.

I'm in a 4 person static killing lizards every other night for 60 minutes. I eat squid sushi and am not getting any buffs other than stoneskin and haste. I'm hitting SA/DE in the 1k range a lot and I'd say average is 850-900. I've capped at 1389. Here is my SA/DE gear:

main B.D.
off S.K.
head Walahra Turban
neck Chivalrous chain
ear Coral earring
ear Brutal earring
body Dragon harness
hands War gloves +1
ring Rajas ring
ring spinel ring
back Amemet mantle +1
waist Warwolf belt
legs Dragon subligar
feet Aurore Gaiters

That said, I'm unloading TA/DE or SA/DE every 30 sec or so and am not sure about WS only #'s.

P.S. Please don't laugh at my turban for SA/DE and I know I need to start working on daggers, but I'm waiting until the next level cap to see what is added to the game that does not require a large grind. I got upset when I put all that time into the OAT dagger that needed verthandi eyes to finish and I've never once seen a shout for a verthandi party. Doesn't look like it is in my future :(

That means you are fighting the weak version of these lizards. Normal monsters in Abyssea start out low: DC, T, VT. Then as you start killing faster and more the repops will become a higher level. LordTrey already mentioned this.

So those numbers were done on weak lizards. Which are totally different from the ones Meldi is talking about in the OP.
Also get an Aurore Beret or something. The thing costs like 20-30k only. Or get it for free with the cruor you saved up.


@Mel: you could make a small and free improvement if you swap out Brutal earring for Aesir ear pendant (+7 attack). And upgrade your daggers to the Kila version (pretty obvious I know but had to say it anyway.)

Edited, Jul 29th 2010 12:29am by Breaze

Edited, Jul 29th 2010 12:35am by Breaze

What the others have said about attack is the reason your damage is so low on multi hit and it's not weird at all. Remember that against higher defense mobs shark bite and mandalic stab excel and it's dancing edge and evisceration that fall behind. Here is a pair of screenshots from my linkshell abyssean run where I dinged level 80. This was a 6 hour long marathon in Abyssea-Tahrongo against Blood Bats. Keeping in mind that I was fighting piercing weak mobs I too thought my weaponskills were underperforming so I opened up Kparser.



I didn't have a bard at the time so the pizza screenshot had an attack rating in the vicinity of 450 and the meat shot would have been in the vicinity of 480. I'm not sure if the parses were taken when I was still level 77-80, or after I had dinged 80 or if my dagger skill had recapped yet or not. Nevertheless it drills home the point that my attack was way too low to see numbers I usually do. My dagger's base damage was 34 (x's knife mainhanded at the time) and my melee strikes were hitting for negative base damage (I was at approximately 0.8% pDIF when you remember these were piercing mobs). From the looks of it I would have needed about 550-600 attack or so to hit 1.0 pDIF and going from there more attack would have given me increasing returns. These bats had monstrous defense and when I began using shark bite I was hitting weaponskills in the range of 1100-1300 instead of the 700-800 dancing edges I had been doing previously. Abyssean mobs in general have really high defense and you usually won't have enough attack subbing /nin to throw out particularly large numbers unless you're getting hefty bonuses via minuet or chaos roll. So in these situations it's normal for shark bite to do more damage than multi hit.

Edited, Jul 30th 2010 3:52pm by Melphina

What are people talking about with this "the mobs level up" stuff? I've gained ~300k in Abyssea parties and I've seen nothing of the sort.

Exp per mob can gradually increase (up to a max of 600xp/kill), but it has nothing to do with the mob's level; it has to do with the lights that you get depending on the type of killshot (and the lights you get from popping red chests). So where is this whole "they start DC but then become IT+++++" idea coming from? The day I walked into Abyssea-Tahrongi as a LV76, the mandies checked IT. I haven't checked them at LV80 but I've never seen a DC mob in Abyssea, period.

Trust me there are plenty.

@Meldi: the atmas are hard to get and you need a Lunar Abyssite to be able to use them. This Lunar Abyssite is also hard to get because you need to pop and kill Glavoid or Kukulkan or Briareus. And only the person that pops these NM gets Lunar Abyssite.

What I suggest and which is more easy: work on fame by doing quests. Specifically for Abyssea - La Theine. Because when you complete the quest "An Eye for Revenge" you get Scarlet Abyssite of Furtherance which will double your stat buffs if you decide to buy them in Abyssea. Normal attribute bonuses from the Cruor Prospector give +10 to stats, but with this key item, they will give +20.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_Abyssite_of_Furtherance

There are more interesting Abyssites you can get just by doing quests.

*edit*
Apparently you don't have to pop Glavoid or Kukulkan or Briareus in order to get Lunar Abyssite. I just zoned into konshat highlands and just gotten Lunar Abyssite because I killed Kukulkan and I got title from it. Not sure if title is a 100% drop when you kill it.
My original point still stands though Atmas are hard to get.

Edited, Jul 31st 2010 1:11pm by Breaze

My Thf has out parsed about 90% of the Heavy DD in Abyssea Parties. Both in DPS & WS.
Solo DE averages 900-1.2k.
SADE usually lands 1.4k-1.6k. occasionally spiking around 2k.
This is on Mithra with 5/5 Str Merit, abyssea enhancements, & pizza.

///TP Build

Main: Kila +6STR +16Att
Sub: Kila +6STR +16Att
Ammo: Bomblet +6Att +6Acc
Head: Turban +5 Haste
Neck: P.C. +10 Acc
Ear: Brutal +Double Att
Ear: Sarabande +2Chr +2Acc
Body: Rapparee +4 Haste
Hands: Homams +3 Haste +4Acc
Ring: Kusha's +3 Att +6Acc
Ring: Lava's +3 Att +6Acc
Back: Foragers +3Str +15Att
Waist: Swift +4 Haste +3Acc -5Att
Legs: Aurore +3 Haste +9Acc
Feet: Homams +3 Haste +6Acc

Unbuffed Totals: Att:414 Acc:+46 Haste:+22 Str:84 Dex:82

///Dancing Edge

Main: Kila +6Str +12Att
Sub: Kila +6Str +12Att
Ammo: Bomblet +6Att +6Acc
Head: M.Mask +3Dex +11Acc
Neck: P.C. +10Acc
Ear: Melody +1 +2Chr
Ear: Sarabande +2Chr +2Acc
Body: Heca +12Str +10Acc
Hands: Heca +4Dex +7Str
Ring: Thunder +5Dex
Ring: Raja's +5Dex +5Str
Back: Foragers +3Str +15Att
Waist: Warwolf +5Dex +5Str
Legs: T.Trunks +5Dex +5Chr +18Att
Feet: L.Boots +6Dex +6Agi

Unbuffed Totals: Att:451 Acc:+33 Str:113 Dex:115 Chr:57